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Milne.
Had a few where he didnt, but he was a VERY good small forward. Wonder if his off field habits impact on getting picked in Best Of teams...
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Milne.
Had a few where he didnt, but he was a VERY good small forward. Wonder if his off field habits impact on getting picked in Best Of teams...
He had 9 or 10 where he did and averaged over 2 goals a game for close enough to 300 games.
Very unlikable character from the outside.
I'd have Richo in over Fev, J Riewoldt, and Kennedy easily. Guy was a machine, seriously good runner, one of the best contested marks we've seen, and despite people doubting his goal kicking ability, his accuracy % was actually quite good comparatively. Not to mention he carried the Tigers for a decade.
In terms of forward line you'd probably have 3 keys (Lloyd, Richo, Franklin), 1/2 hybrids (Johnson or Aker), and 1/2 smalls (Milne, Betts, or B Harvey). Damn this gets hard.
I would have a criminally underrated Luke McPharlin in the team before a criminally overrated Matthew Pavlich. The Dockers backline fell off a cliff as soon as McPharlin retired (something that had been lauded as a strength up to that point, making everyone look better when he played). Compare this to Pav where talk of 'dockers needing a tall forward' started while he was still playing and well before he even retired. This talk marred his career. You can't seriously laud a player as a great on one hand and then listen with a straight face of talk of the Docker's forward line and ability to score being their weakness / Achilles heel. That makes him about as impressive as Quinten Lynch (another useful utility, who played in a team where their forward-line wasn't their best asset but its midfield and backline made up for it - good enough that Lynch has a premiership). Basically, it's like saying Rance is a great and then saying Richmond's backline is one of their problem areas (or Scarlett and Geelong's backline for that matter). It defeats itself. You'll notice that the greats usually belong to a team's strongest parts of the ground, because, well, they're great - so obviously their presence is going to lift the team, especially wherever they play. Pav hasn't done this.If you don’t have a bench spot at least for a 6 x AA utility with 350 games and 700 goals you’ve got rocks in your head
Vote 1 Pavlova
i really wanted Goodwin in my backline. gun playerSimon Goodwin Anyone?
Five time AA in the 2000s.
3 best n fairests.
AFLCA winner 2006
McLeod a lock from us.
Ricciuto probably did his best work 97-2004 or so across the two centurys, but still:
- Brownlow Medal winner (2003)
- AFL premiership player (1998)
- 8× All-Australian (1994, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005)
- 2× All-Australian captain (2004, 2005)
- 3× Malcolm Blight Medal (1998, 2003, 2004)
- Adelaide captain (2001–07)
- AFL Rising Star nominee (1993)
- South Australia team representative
- 3× Showdown Medal (2000, 2004, 2005)
- 2× AFLPA best captain (2005, 2006)
Do you just read the herald sun or actually watch football ?I would have a criminally underrated Luke McPharlin in the team before a criminally overrated Matthew Pavlich. The Dockers backline fell off a cliff as soon as McPharlin retired (something that had been lauded as a strength up to that point, making everyone look better when he played). Compare this to Pav where talk of 'dockers needing a tall forward' started while he was still playing and well before he even retired. This talk marred his career. You can't seriously laud a player as a great on one hand and then listen with a straight face of talk of the Docker's forward line and ability to score being their weakness / Achilles heel. That makes him about as impressive as Quinten Lynch (another useful utility, who played in a team where their forward-line wasn't their best asset but its midfield and backline made up for it - good enough that Lynch has a premiership). Basically, it's like saying Rance is a great and then saying Richmond's backline is one of their problem areas (or Scarlett and Geelong's backline for that matter). It defeats itself. You'll notice that the greats usually belong to a team's strongest parts of the ground, because, well, they're great - so obviously their presence is going to lift the team, especially wherever they play. Pav hasn't done this.
This is incredibly nonsensical.I would have a criminally underrated Luke McPharlin in the team before a criminally overrated Matthew Pavlich. The Dockers backline fell off a cliff as soon as McPharlin retired (something that had been lauded as a strength up to that point, making everyone look better when he played). Compare this to Pav where talk of 'dockers needing a tall forward' started while he was still playing and well before he even retired. This talk marred his career. You can't seriously laud a player as a great on one hand and then listen with a straight face of talk of the Docker's forward line and ability to score being their weakness / Achilles heel. That makes him about as impressive as Quinten Lynch (another useful utility, who played in a team where their forward-line wasn't their best asset but its midfield and backline made up for it - good enough that Lynch has a premiership). Basically, it's like saying Rance is a great and then saying Richmond's backline is one of their problem areas (or Scarlett and Geelong's backline for that matter). It defeats itself. You'll notice that the greats usually belong to a team's strongest parts of the ground, because, well, they're great - so obviously their presence is going to lift the team, especially wherever they play. Pav hasn't done this.
That's just your opinion, man.This is incredibly nonsensical.
Greg Williams was a Rolls Royce compared to Lou Richards, the gap is miles apart.Anybody citing Brownlow votes need not apply, we already know what the umpires think. Not that they're always wrong, but too much emphasis on the less important stuff is how you end up with Greg Williams and Keith Greig in the team of last century (while Lou Richards and Malcolm Blight missed out even though they ARE football).
The legacies of Ablett and Franklin are the only two I'm confident about enduring the next 80 years. Hopefully Goodes as well. Not sure Judd can, his style isn't as strongly copy protected nor did he sustain his best footy for as long. Pavlich definitely won't because he's already under-appreciated and always has been, unfortunately, which I will let slide because you gotta pick your battles.
So in the year 2100 or thenabouts, the hill I see myself dying on (literally) will probably be Akermanis and, depending on how the next ten years go, maybe Bontempelli. The kids of Generation Zeta need to know that not all footballers of the early-2000s were instinctive stat-racking hospital passers, some of them were actually quite clever playmakers and ahead of their time.
I'd have Cousins in over Pendles.
A Brownlow, flag and 6 AA (4 in the 21st century) and 4 club champion awards (this century).
I'd have Cousins in over Pendles.
A Brownlow, flag and 6 AA (4 in the 21st century) and 4 club champion awards (this century).
And yet Cousins was the better player.A Norm Smith, flag and 5 AA (very much could be 6 after this year) and 5 club champion awards.
Disagree with you there my friend .And yet Cousins was the better player.
No way.I'd have Cousins in over Pendles.
A Brownlow, flag and 6 AA (4 in the 21st century) and 4 club champion awards (this century).
Swans forward line has been there weakness and always lacking a second tall buddy no good?That's just your opinion, man.
The reality is that Pav belonged to a team's forward set-up that was strongly considered his team's greatest weakness as a whole (as a common theme for the Dockers during Pav's reign was struggling to kick competitive scores). What's incredibly nonsensical is that Pav is somehow considered great despite that glaring fact. This was a weakness highlighted even while the Docker's were at the top of their game and years before his retirement: "the club's lack of a second tall forward was felt keenly in the Grand Final." (LINK) You compare this to what the Dockers were lauded for during this time: their well-structured defence and ability to stop opposition from scoring. Pav has always been easy for Fremantle to cover when injured, too. Compare this to Luke McPharlin whose retirement caused Fremantle's defence to capitulate instantly. Pav is simply overrated.
Honestly, would there be a need for the other players with that mob running out...All achievements prior to the turn of the century must be disregarded for the purpose of this team imo.
Locks as follows:
GAJ
Buddy
Judd
N. Riewoldt
Black
Goodes
Scarlett
Enright
Betts (more x factor than Milne though understand the case for him)
Hodge
S. Mitchell
Akermanis
Rance
Cox
There's 14 players, and it gets a little more difficult to determine the next 8 and really comes down to personal preference.
Honestly, would there be a need for the other players with that mob running out...
Can you imagine trying to get into this team by the time its 2100...