Teams Interested in Ben Hart

[mikben]

Re: 8 Teams Interested in Ben Hart

All Adelaide Crows supporters must be so dissapointed with the sacking of Hart. One of my all time favourites and ledgend of the game. In a way I hope he doesn't go to another club because it would certainly kill me if it was one of our guys going elsewhere to end his career.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hart is on the veteran list along with Roo but noways you can have more players on the veteran's list. I think Macca and Tyson qualify and they will probably join Roo there.

Yes but more veterans = less rookies

I would think Adelaide would want to maintain 4 rookies ....it has been an advantage for us over Vic teams and this year I'm expecting to pickup some good bargains....also we can have one player over 23 on the rookie list (who hasn't previously been on an AFL list)

 

[macca23]

Good luck to Ben I say.

His dad said this morning on 5AA that even if he did play for another club that he would come back to the AFC when that stint was over, because that's where his heart is.

Cornesy said tonight that he has always encouraged players not to retire too early, but rather make them drag you out kicking and screaming.

He followed that up with that's what Ben has done, and the club has naturally dragged him out kicking and screaming - it was inevitable once Ben went down that path.

Personally I'd be really surprised if another club did pick up a 32 year old non KPP with suspect fitness, irrespective of how good he has been during his career. We've been down that path ourselves, albeit with a 32 year old KPP with suspect fitness, and the results were schaisenhausen.

But if Ben does choose to go on, and a club does want him, then I have no doubt that Adelaide will facilitate that trade for a very minimal return.

And if all that happens, I hope it turns out to be everything that Ben wants it to be.

 

[crowsarethebest]

Good luck to Benny. Sad for it to end like this. If he is managed well, like St Kilda is Managing Harvey, then I have no doubt he still has a few years left in him.

 

[mymansyd]

Yes but more veterans = less rookies

I would think Adelaide would want to maintain 4 rookies ....it has been an advantage for us over Vic teams and this year I'm expecting to pickup some good bargains....also we can have one player over 23 on the rookie list (who hasn't previously been on an AFL list)

Good point. 2 Vets and 4 Rookies will probably be the way. I'd imagine Andy's bigger salary (compared to Tyson's) would mean that he would join Roo on the veterans list.

I think we need 2 mature-type rookies next year, form-willing, to come onto the main list in place of Hentschel and Rhett. The other 2 can be kids.

 

[macca23]

Good point. 2 Vets and 4 Rookies will probably be the way. I'd imagine Andy's bigger salary (compared to Tyson's) would mean that he would join Roo on the veterans list.

I think we need 2 mature-type rookies next year, form-willing, to come onto the main list in place of Hentschel and Rhett. The other 2 can be kids.

Good summary.

That's the way I see it. At worst, 1 ready to go rookie if they're too scarce, but preferably 2.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Good point. 2 Vets and 4 Rookies will probably be the way. I'd imagine Andy's bigger salary (compared to Tyson's) would mean that he would join Roo on the veterans list.

I think we need 2 mature-type rookies next year, form-willing, to come onto the main list in place of Hentschel and Rhett. The other 2 can be kids.

You may be right and the Biglands/Hentschell injuries may force us down that path "reluctantly"

I'm sure we would prefer younger developing rookies ....but you play with the cards dealt you

 

[maccas_no1]

Re: 8 Teams Interested in Ben Hart

Yes you can, if club A doesn’t accept what club B is offering then the player will simply nominate for the PSD but risk going to any club that is willing to pick him up.

Wont be in this case as Hart has been sacked by the AFC, he can nominate for the PSD, AFC has nothing further to do with it.

You cant sack a player then try and get a trade for that player

 

[just maybe]

Re: 8 Teams Interested in Ben Hart

Wont be in this case as Hart has been sacked by the AFC, he can nominate for the PSD, AFC has nothing further to do with it.

You cant sack a player then try and get a trade for that player

No.

Hart has not been 'sacked'. He has just not been offered a new contract.

He is still on the list and if a trade can be worked out, he will go via trade. He can only go in the PSD if Adelaide refuse to trade him.

 

[Mong]

Re: 8 Teams Interested in Ben Hart

Wont be in this case as Hart has been sacked by the AFC, he can nominate for the PSD, AFC has nothing further to do with it.

You cant sack a player then try and get a trade for that player

You don't know what you're talking about. The Crows certainly can trade him, if a club is interested. Just like Brisbane can trade Jason Akermanis, West Coast can trade Michael Gardiner, etc, etc. Do you need more examples?

Of course all these players can enter the PSD if they choose, but if they want a say in where they go, they need to agree to a trade.

 

[macca23]

Re: 8 Teams Interested in Ben Hart

Wont be in this case as Hart has been sacked by the AFC, he can nominate for the PSD, AFC has nothing further to do with it.

You cant sack a player then try and get a trade for that player

Yes you can, if he wants to avoid the PSD and the risk of being taken by a bottom club.

Let's say Hart wanted to go to Sydney and didn't want to play for anyone else, with the knowledge that other teams wanted him, he could only guarantee getting to the team of his choice through a trade. The AFL dictates that must be either for a draft pick , a player, or a combination tehrof.

 

[Mad Dog]

Good point. 2 Vets and 4 Rookies will probably be the way. I'd imagine Andy's bigger salary (compared to Tyson's) would mean that he would join Roo on the veterans list.

I think we need 2 mature-type rookies next year, form-willing, to come onto the main list in place of Hentschel and Rhett. The other 2 can be kids.

Good summary....

our first 2 Rookie selections need to be made with the mind set of a nationa draft....given that they may see action in 2007.

We can turn this negative into a positve if we're smart.

 

[bus24]

You can only have maximum of 2 veterans any way

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: 8 Teams Interested in Ben Hart

Channel 10 have reported that as many as 8 clubs have contacted Hart's manager in regards to playing on in 2007.

It would kill me to see Hart play for another club.

I would be honestly surprised if 8 clubs had shown interest in an aging back pocket player (albeit an ex-AA).

I hope he retires from AFL, as I can't see him in another jumper.

 

[King Elvis]

I'd be devastated to see him playing for someone else, but I'd also be cheering for him and hoping he did well.

As long as he comes back here, he should be a part of the AFC forever.

 

[Stiffy_18]

You can only have maximum of 2 veterans any way

You can have more than 2.

 

[Alex99]

You can only have maximum of 2 veterans any way

IIRC any club can have a maximum of 6 player listed outside of the main list as rookies or on the veterans list but every veteran player you have the club must reduce a rookie player.

This year we had 2 veterans (Mark Ricciuto and Ben Hart) and 4 rookies (Elliot, Bonaddio, Sugars and Redden), next year if we only list Mark Ricciuto on the veteran list would give us the opportunity to pick 5 rookies. So to answer your question if we had 4 players listed on the veteran list we could only have 2 rookies.

Sydney and Brisbane can have up to 8 rookies but half must be home grown players.

 

[Mad Dog]

Re: 8 Teams Interested in Ben Hart

You don't know what you're talking about. The Crows certainly can trade him, if a club is interested. Just like Brisbane can trade Jason Akermanis, West Coast can trade Michael Gardiner, etc, etc. Do you need more examples?

Of course all these players can enter the PSD if they choose, but if they want a say in where they go, they need to agree to a trade.

The key here is that players are actually contracted until after the trade / draft period and therefore can be traded.

 

[beagle2]

So to answer your question if we had 4 players listed on the veteran list we could only have 2 rookies.

Sydney and Brisbane can have up to 8 rookies but half must be home grown players.

Maximum on the main list is 38 plus up to two veterans Extra veterans are included in the 38 and only come into play in salary cap calculations For two you only have to count half their payments if you have three you can only discount a third or a quarter for 4 Next year we will have a maximum of 40 to select from until any rookies are upgraded for Biglands and Hentschel

 

[Crow-mo]

what are the odds that any of these 8 clubs have offered better than the performance based contract we have been rumoured to have offered.

surely they'd only be thinking Perf Based too? presuming it's true that 8 are interested, and I'd be more confident of seeing babe fly past my window.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

Brisbane seems to be the front runner

And I dont think it will be a one year as they wouldnt move someone from interstate for 1 yr

 

[RooDog]

just a point of interest... everyone knows that thats not ben's biological father talking about him on the radio/tv etc

 

[Leaping Lindner]

just a point of interest... everyone knows that thats not ben's biological father talking about him on the radio/tv etc

His biological old man is John Robinson who played 187 games for North (1965-1975).

 

[RooDog]

His biological old man is John Robinson who played 187 games for North (1965-1975).

i know just wondered if many others did... pretty sad story that... the old man played a bit of footy with John before his north days... still says hello if he runs into him i think...

 

[maccas_no1]

Re: 8 Teams Interested in Ben Hart

No.

Hart has not been 'sacked'. He has just not been offered a new contract.

He is still on the list and if a trade can be worked out, he will go via trade. He can only go in the PSD if Adelaide refuse to trade him.

Ok fair call