Competition Teamworks Performance - Create a Real Life Guernsey - Win a Custom Jumper

Exe Gesis · Jul 27, 2010

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I reckon you're over-exaggerating the situation InCase.

Let's say the Skull/Swords won. Teamworks would be making a single solitary top for the winner, for free. Not making money off it. Anywhere i go in the world wearing that top, no one's gonna stop me in the street and say, "i designed the whole 'skull/swords' concept/image, therefore im suing you".

And let's say a major miracle happened, up there with the parting of the red sea, where someone did stop me and declared they did invent it, if teamworks did leave their branding off, there's no way they're ever gonna know who made it.

In particular, the Skull/Swords is something mass-produced in many things like t-shirts, badges, posters, logos, tatoos, etc. It doesn't have an inventor or rights owner.

That Phoenix image....i reckon the same would apply. But if it didn't, there is a percentage (17% i think it is) of an altered image/design that makes it distinct in legal terms.

Exe Gesis · Jul 27, 2010

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This should be submitted to by someone using a pseudenym...

InCase · Jul 27, 2010

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GG said:
I reckon you're over-exaggerating the situation InCase.

Let's say the Skull/Swords won. Teamworks would be making a single solitary top for the winner, for free. Not making money off it. Anywhere i go in the world wearing that top, no one's gonna stop me in the street and say, "i designed the whole 'skull/swords' concept/image, therefore im suing you".

And let's say a major miracle happened, up there with the parting of the red sea, where someone did stop me and declared they did invent it, if teamworks did leave their branding off, there's no way they're ever gonna know who made it.

In particular, the Skull/Swords is something mass-produced in many things like t-shirts, badges, posters, logos, tatoos, etc. It doesn't have an inventor or rights owner.

That Phoenix image....i reckon the same would apply. But if it didn't, there is a percentage (17% i think it is) of an altered image/design that makes it distinct in legal terms.

Not at all, Teamworks is a business, completely different to you printing something and wearing it yourself. As far as I can recall in the other thread, Kerrby will be paying for the design ($45?)

As I said, I highly doubt you would be caught, but if I had a small business I would not be taking the risk of making money off copyrighted material.

Here's a nice quote for you;

Many people believe the "myth" that if they change an existing image a percentage (10%, 30%, etc.), then they can legally use the image. Be advised: that is not the law.

Now please, answer me the question why Teamworks would make a one off - when their policy is usually minimum order of 10, for a very cheap price. If it has nothing to do with a little bit of advertising for them? Here on bigfooty at the least?

There's a few very creative and unique designs in here which took a lot of effort and skill in designing from scratch such as Kolja, Mowse and Smeagle.

Exe Gesis · Jul 27, 2010

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It may not be the law, but it does seem to get used plenty in the design world when people/companies squabble, lawyers step in and determine that designs are 17% different therefore no litigation occurs. I saw this happen a lot in the fashion industry, straight copies even without that 17% going unpunished in mass-produced garments.

Why i reckon in THIS situation it wouldn't be anything to worry about. It's a one-off product for a winner of a competition. Teamworks gets some advertising etc. But they're not mass-producing it either and not deriving any profit from it---further saving them from any litigation, as that's what any prospective lawsuit would be based around...."you mass-produced this, you made x $$ from it, that's our design, you owe us x percentage of all sales you made".

I reckon Teamworks themselves could probably answer this question better, and prove me wrong/right. They could even alter the design significantly enough, brand it, and claim IP of it allowing them to produce it on a larger scale.

Think about those designs that are straight copies...like Collingwood's jumper but with Melbourne's yoke added in. Neither Collingwood nor Melbourne nor the AFL could step in and say, "we own that design" because they don't. There's significant difference to make it a whole other design. Yet they've been clearly impingined on in your pov. So many designs like stripes, slashes, yokes, etc cannot be legally owned. Many local and amatuer football clubs in Australia/Overseas wear straight copies without affiliation but how many have written consent?

Do West Adelaide or Essendon own the black/red sash look? I bet the SANFL/AFL/VFL never legally fought over that. And that's two separate professional leagues mass-producing merchandise and deriving profit from sales.

Willo #6 · Jul 27, 2010

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GG said:
This should be submitted to by someone using a pseudenym...

I was considering submiting that, but I would rather win a jumper that I'd actually wear. Wouldn't be caught dead wearing anything that slightly resembles a St.Kilda jumper

I must admit when I put that on Create a Guernsey thread, I wasn't expecting such great feedback :thumbsu:

InCase · Jul 27, 2010

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GG said:
It may not be the law, but it does seem to get used plenty in the design world when people/companies squabble, lawyers step in and determine that designs are 17% different therefore no litigation occurs. I saw this happen a lot in the fashion industry, straight copies even without that 17% going unpunished in mass-produced garments.

Why i reckon in THIS situation it wouldn't be anything to worry about. It's a one-off product for a winner of a competition. Teamworks gets some advertising etc. But they're not mass-producing it either and not deriving any profit from it---further saving them from any litigation, as that's what any prospective lawsuit would be based around...."you mass-produced this, you made x $$ from it, that's our design, you owe us x percentage of all sales you made".

I reckon Teamworks themselves could probably answer this question better, and prove me wrong/right. They could even alter the design significantly enough, brand it, and claim IP of it allowing them to produce it on a larger scale.

Think about those designs that are straight copies...like Collingwood's jumper but with Melbourne's yoke added in. Neither Collingwood nor Melbourne nor the AFL could step in and say, "we own that design" because they don't. There's significant difference to make it a whole other design. Yet they've been clearly impingined on in your pov. So many designs like stripes, slashes, yokes, etc cannot be legally owned. Many local and amatuer football clubs in Australia/Overseas wear straight copies without affiliation but how many have written consent?

Do West Adelaide or Essendon own the black/red sash look? I bet the SANFL/AFL/VFL never legally fought over that. And that's two separate professional leagues mass-producing merchandise and deriving profit from sales.

Like I have said the whole time, they wont get caught.

They are however a business, and it's not a very good business decision to be involving themselves in illegal practices, however slim the chances of being caught.

Think about it from the point of view of a business owner, would you take the risk for people you don't know and a measely 45 dollars? If you owned a small cd shop, would you start burning cd's and selling those even though you probably wouldn't be caught? I don't think so.

Sashes, yokes, stripes are not intricate designs, completely different. Laws also differ for amature sporting clubs to businesses.

No one is saying this will ever go to court, it's whether the company would print it, so yes if they come in and say they have no ethics and will gladly copyright someones hard work, then I will shut up. I just think it's slightly pathetic that some very good designs and hard work will probably go to waste due to the fact that most people would like to see Port wear teal prison bars or they like some professionals logo that has been slapped as a guernsey and created as 'their' design. Whilst Kolja and Mowse have created their own work from scratch, that's the type of skill that deserves to be rewarded.

But hey, whatever, it's up to the business and whoever votes on the winning guernsey.

No offense to anyone in here, I usually do like port in teal prison, double sashes, etc. I just believe something like this should reward the talent and skill of great designs, not just a recolour which would take 2 minutes and no thought. The point is also to up the level of the designs, more creative more skillful designs which I know is possible on this board as we've seen it before.

StatsFanatic · Jul 27, 2010

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InCase said:
No offense to anyone in here, I usually do like port in teal prison, double sashes, etc. I just believe something like this should reward the talent and skill of great designs, not just a recolour which would take 2 minutes and no thought. The point is also to up the level of the designs, more creative more skillful designs which I know is possible on this board as we've seen it before.

I know this isn't aimed at me, but thought I'd respond anyway... The design I pick, the Orange with the Grey/Silver "paint brushed" sash, though a recolouring, I was experimenting with brushes on Photoshop, and erasing the top layer of the jumper with a brush to create a unique sash by hand, it took me several time to get the sash how I wanted it.
But then again that is no where near the works of others, that can actually design logos & unique design by hand from scratch (or works of masterpieces from MS Paint of all things)... but now looking back on the above comments I've just written, I've totally agreed with you, and no real feed back at all

Kerrby · Jul 28, 2010

just_kick_it · Jul 28, 2010

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Could you please change my entry's link to this one from ny Photobucket account, because I know at least one person on here cant see my entry on freeimagehosting.net.

Here it is http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb278/rock_guy_666/?action=view&current=Aussiesoutherncross.png

goodie23 · Jul 28, 2010

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Missing my entry from page 4: http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/4858/18781466.jpg

Omegaville · Jul 28, 2010

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Have removed AFL logos from mine. Here it is again in case it's on a different page

Lucev23 · Jul 28, 2010

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How is the winner decided? Poll or does the company decide?

Gibbsy · Jul 28, 2010

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My one isn't in the comp entry list

kolja51 · Jul 30, 2010

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Kerrby said:
Competition entries:

GANTY: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/47c9a85df5.png
Mobitout: http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1558/portadelaideclash.png
the heat: http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2940/chargerslogoless.png
Mowse: http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f100/MowseRFC/mowseentry.jpg
lions_man16: http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/50/copyoffitz.png
Mr Eagle: http://a.imageshack.us/img704/8599/canberra.gif
EastyEffect: http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/8821/silverbulldogs.png
LeeArm: http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/LeeARM/WarrirorsGreydesign.png
GG: http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a136/ggakma/GG-1.png
onyacoxy: http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9880/ochrewings.png
Willo #6: http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii141/6liam3/suitentry.png
craegus: http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/craegus/WestMelbourneHomea.png
magic_johnson: http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u227/carnthecattas63/Geelongclash5.gif
Kerr4PM: http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2723/dempies.png
ThunderPower_14: http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6483/tealprisonbars2.png
StatsFanatic: http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp342/gppato/Fav Guernsey designs/-Team-Unknown-Orange-.png

To save Adam any troubles, I'd prefer it if there was no logos (this is including the AFL logo. I've seen it on a few jumpers). For those who entered and don't see your name and entry above, you have until Friday to pick the one entry you want. This time includes removing logos from your jumper.

My entry is missing also.

Lucev23 · Jul 30, 2010

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You don't think it has anything to do with the numerous logos splattered over it?

Ochre · Jul 30, 2010

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i reckon i should win (biased i know) even though i reckon i wont

i mean, i wish people for voted for which guernsey the poster wanted most (and would actually wear alot) instead of just voting for the best one which will get made, put in the wardrobe and never seen again

/persuading people to vote for me

magic_johnson! · Jul 30, 2010

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When's the poll going up?

kolja51 · Jul 30, 2010

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I just red some pages I missed, finding out that I have to pick only one jumper from all submitted, so here's my pick:

and if it's still not late I would rather submit this jumper:

If it is, then first submission stays (submitted on time)

magic_johnson! · Jul 30, 2010

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Who'd have to pay the postage to Zagreb?

Smeagle · Jul 30, 2010

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Here's my entry, with an altered design (as instructed by IC) and removed logos.

Ochre · Jul 30, 2010

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Smeags, if that wins, and you get it made, can you post a pic coz i might buy one if it looks good

kolja51 · Jul 30, 2010

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magic_johnson! said:
Who'd have to pay the postage to Zagreb?

It's not that much, or it could be shipped to one of my mates in Melbourne if my design gets the honors.

just_kick_it · Jul 31, 2010

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Thats great Smeagle. Id love it even more it was royal instead of navy.

Ochre · Jul 31, 2010

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GANTY said:
Thats great Smeagle. Id love it even more it was royal instead of navy.

Willo #6 · Aug 2, 2010

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Kerrby, any word on when the poll will start?

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