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Everyone seems to think we can just throw Reid back there and everything will be fine. I'm not convinced. We have a golden opportunity for a premiership in the next 2 seasons and we're ****ed if we don't address this issue somehow.
 

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Punts said:
Even shoey would be on more than 350k , lets not kid ourselves the afl have farked us . criminal and laughable is 350 these days
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Its the average AFL salary for non-rookies. Well over half our squad would be on 350k or less.
 
Punts said:
Even shoey would be on more than 350k , lets not kid ourselves the afl have farked us . criminal and laughable is 350 these days
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Not to mention paying overs to entice them to make the move especially if they are settled with a family.

The answer is mature aged/state leagues forget looking anywhere else.

Just bring Abe Davis or Allir Allir against Brisbane i mean why not?
 
S120 said:
..Ted was certainly out-pointed haplessly a number of times last night but his teammates did little to help him out. A couple of those really long, high kicks to enter our defensive 50 came after plenty of time for defenders/midfielders to flood into defence. And yet they ended up with only Ted and his opponent contesting the mark in isolation. A bunch of other teammates were present but stagnant and stuck on the ground. Not willing to go off their opponents and kill the ball, something they normally do automatically. Not sure how that happens and I'm sure Longmire will be getting into them for that.

Our defence has always worked as a greater whole than each defender as a one-on-one defender. We've never had a huge number of great one-on-one defenders and Ted needed help there.
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Our defence has tended to be undersized for many years leading the group defence approach. It is not being implemented so well and oppositions are separating their forwards more to counter it.

People who think you can replace Teddy with an inexperienced young player are kidding themselves. I expect being knocked out means he won't play next week so it will give an opportunity and hopefully we try a possible replacement for the third tall role which is where I think he should now be playing. I'd be surprised if he is not back for the Hawks game and I hope he can play out the year.
 
S120 said:
Ted was certainly out-pointed haplessly a number of times last night but his teammates did little to help him out.
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Richards and Rampe play different styles. The way that Rampe plays now is how Richards played 3-4 seasons ago. The way that Richards plays now is how Grundy played 3-4 seasons ago. Styles change as the needs change, but Richards is being asked to do something he isn't any good at; body on body defending. He's basically being knocked over by 6ft midfielders.

Rampe moved to Schulz, Schulz hardly beats him. Rampe moved to Riewoldt, Riewoldt hardly beats him. Rampe moved to Gunston, makes him his bitch.
 
im more interested in what we do this year while we it 10-3 (how we got there is another question)

the current defence has a lot of cracks especially the last month


What is the in season solution

in all honesty Ted just leaving the ground made it look better, wether thats linked or not
 
chunkychicken said:
Richards and Rampe play different styles. The way that Rampe plays now is how Richards played 3-4 seasons ago. The way that Richards plays now is how Grundy played 3-4 seasons ago. Styles change as the needs change, but Richards is being asked to do something he isn't any good at; body on body defending. He's basically being knocked over by 6ft midfielders.

Rampe moved to Schulz, Schulz hardly beats him. Rampe moved to Riewoldt, Riewoldt hardly beats him. Rampe moved to Gunston, makes him his bitch.
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Richards played like me last night

Bruise free, too slow, lost
 
swansfan51 said:
Its the average AFL salary for non-rookies. Well over half our squad would be on 350k or less.
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Key defenders who are ready to go though would be on reasonable money

Yeah you can get Jeremy Laidler types all you want but we need someone reasonable
 
Sir Swans said:
Key defenders who are ready to go though would be on reasonable money

Yeah you can get Jeremy Laidler types all you want but we need someone reasonable
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We don't need someone reasonable, just someone who can fall over in contests and get out marked easily
 

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swansfan51 said:
We don't need someone reasonable, just someone who can fall over in contests and get out marked easily
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made me laugh in the office now people will suspect I am not working hard :P
 
MF said:
Everyone seems to think we can just throw Reid back there and everything will be fine. I'm not convinced. We have a golden opportunity for a premiership in the next 2 seasons and we're stuffed if we don't address this issue somehow.
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He filled in for Grundy a couple of weeks ago and did not look out of place ?

I think he can do it and Richards competes with Laidler for third tall (one available position?) freeing up Rampe to play more of an attacking role, remove Shaw for Jones keep Smith McVeigh Grundy.

Smith Grundy Richards/Laidler
Rampe Reid Jones

McVeigh (or Rampe) 7th defender that also pushed up the ground and sometimes plays as loose in defence (more Rampe than McVeigh for that) ?

Just thinking out loud..
 
Yes we need to try bolster the stocks of kpd but absolute worst case scenario is reid goes back.

Sometimes you never know how players will go until the eesperate times arive. Look at wce and the emergance of mcgovern...the club will find a solution....they always do
 
Superstar swan said:
Yes we need to try bolster the stocks of kpd but absolute worst case scenario is reid goes back.

Sometimes you never know how players will go until the eesperate times arive. Look at wce and the emergance of mcgovern...the club will find a solution....they always do
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Derrickx to full back
 

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chunkychicken said:
I really don't get why everyone is against him? He's probably the best affordable defender out there for us, who replaces Richards like-for-like.
Yeah, he's got issues and he can be out bodied too easily, but he'd be an upgrade at the moment.
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So exactly how is he an upgrade.....given your striking recommendation, we may as well stick with Ted for another season and then go for broke with the trade bans all done and dusted.
 
swansfan51 said:
Both struggle to compete one on one
Both fall over a lot
Derickx is taller

Seems a reasonable suggestion from Sir
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Swan4Life said:
Not funny.
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Sir Swans said:
Derrickx to full back
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I must say that I laughed a bit when I saw this post.

kickthething said:
So exactly how is he an upgrade.....given your striking recommendation, we may as well stick with Ted for another season and then go for broke with the trade bans all done and dusted.
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More upside. He's not a bad defender and he was excellent in the 2012 GF. We could definitely get him around 300~350k.
 
Yep, all our defenders are crap yet our defence is working way better than our offence. Our total 'score against' is minimal and is the only thing keeping us in the top 4. Our 'score for' is hundreds of points behind the leaders. The TV may tell one thing (with every goal replayed in slo-mo) but the scoring stats show another. One entertains, the other enlightens.

We need to fix our offence.
 
MF said:
Everyone seems to think we can just throw Reid back there and everything will be fine. I'm not convinced. We have a golden opportunity for a premiership in the next 2 seasons and we're stuffed if we don't address this issue somehow.
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and with our trade ban how are we supposed to address it?

what keep buying spuds and hope one sticks?
the fact is reid is ahead of any of the rookies we hope can step up. there is no magical fix, we are limited in options and right now reid is the best of our limited options.
 
Not the midfield creating stoppages restricting scoring

Its nick smith dropping marks, rhyce shaw butchering the ball, ted getting rag dolled if the stats say it then it must be true

Lift buddy you lazy prick
 
Sir Swans said:
Not the midfield creating stoppages restricting scoring

Its nick smith dropping marks, rhyce shaw butchering the ball, ted getting rag dolled if the stats say it then it must be true

Lift buddy you lazy prick
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SS, you're not making any sense. 'Points scored' is not a disputable or ambiguous stat. It's simply how much we've scored. We sit hundreds of points behind WCE & Hawks and even behind Freo, the most defensive team of all. We're just not kicking scores. Our mids need to clean up forward entry and stop turning the ball over inside 50. Clearances count for nothing if the ball is pumped down the throat of the opposition. Not Buddy or Tippet's fault, just the midfield. Is that so hard to acknowledge ? Yes, I know Tom's in the midfield and therefore you feel protective. The elite player as you call him, future Brownlow medallist, club champ and team of the century. He also might need to take stock of the quality of his disposals (after all stats don't mean a thing, right ?). Rest assured he's not the only one.
 

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