Workshop Template Feedback Thread

[El_Scorcho]

It's not my template, I said I'm using A new template.

Relax mate, I've only got paint and it's hard to get good templates when everyone on here is using photoshop and illustrator. Everytime I post a guernsey and then look at everyone else's I just feel like no matter how good I think the design is, I'm not going to get any recognition for. I feel this way it because it doesn't have gradients, it doesn't have shading, it isn't strokeless and I'm not the best designer on here. But I'm trying to make the most of what I've got at the moment and that is only paint on my computer.

So I'm sorry for posting shitty designs on shitty templates that aren't my own but I enjoy doing it and I enjoy showing other people what I can come up with even if it's nowhere near as good as others.

What I did to make this guernsey is copied the template from another user and re-coloured it in paint which only took about 30 minutes to get (what I thought) was a pretty good paint shadow in the middle. Then I made the background in typical paint fashion by drawing lines and colouring in certain segments.

But if none of this is good enough for you then I'll pack up and I won't post anything anymore.

Mate, I spent years on here using other people's templates and competing in 2nd division competitions. You're not competing with everyone else, you're competing with yourself. It's not a race, it's a community that will actively help each other to improve. Using the fill bucket on a Photoshop template is one quick and dirty way of displaying what you want to display, but on this board in 2015, Paint isn't the limiting factor it used to be. Look at ScottFreo, E92 and Gibbsy who all did terrific work with paint in the last NAFL.

Use the ScottFreo / lmach paint template. It could easily pass for a design done in PS if done right.

I don't want them to look like a PS design, I want it to look like a paint design because that's what it is.

The program is just the medium you're using to do whatever you want to do. ScottFreo's template still looks like a paint design, but manages to overcome some of Paint's limitations.

You can post literally whatever you like on this board. Usually the community will be encouraging and try to help people get the best out of themselves. It's up to you what you do with that advice.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I don't get it with you guys, why does it have to look like someone is wearing the jumper? Why does a "good" design have to have shadows on it? There's no shadow on a guernsey when it is printed, so why does it have to be on one when designing it?

And why can't I just post a guernsey that I drew without people saying "looks familiar" or "should make it look like PS"? Honestly, what's wrong with posting a plain guernsey that is a flat image, because, at the end of the day, that's what they are aren't they? No one tells Mero that his 912 guernsey's don't have shadow's on them and therefor aren't as good as everyone else's.

Because I believe that this is what a footy jumper should look like. So therefor I use this template.

You can do a "flat" template without jagged edges.

How you display the jumper is totally up to you. What you've posted is something we probably all did when we first decided to have a go at designing footy guernseys. If that's all you need to convey your ideas, that's fine. Look at carls12 . He uses paint without worrying too much about jagged edges or realism, and does some absolutely brilliant designing that is very popular on this board.

If you don't want advice, that's fine, keep doing what you're doing.

 

[akkaps]

STFU Scorch, everything does not need to be to your standard. The people that use Ai and PS need to realize that there are people out there that don't have the same resources as you. As I said earlier this week, the board spends too much time focusing on the template that we use rather than the actual design.

As for THB's template, it's the first 'original' template that he has used. You probably weren't that much better with your first template.

If you think that ScottFreo is such a brilliant Paint designer, I challenge you to use only Paint and Word to create a full set of jumpers for the next League-style competition.

 

[NM_Mitchell]

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in all seriousness, making a template has been the most fun i've had on Ai so far, and i'm really happy with it, having your own sets you apart from the rest. look at the FIRA, every second person uses El_Scorchos template, which is cool, but when everyone's using it, it takes away the advantage a little bit IMO.

in saying that, what does everyone honestly think of mine? i'm pretty happy with it ATM, but it's become something that i like to edit frequently to make it the best i can possibly do, so any criticisms are welcome!

 

[Dylan8]

Scorch was just saying that it would be more reasonable to use a template which is specifically made for the software one is using, rather than taking a template for another program and converting it for a worse result.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with telling people to work within their technical and software limitations when it makes their stuff look better. No one is having a go or criticising the work done by others outright.

 

[Dylan8]

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in all seriousness, making a template has been the most fun i've had on Ai so far, and i'm really happy with it, having your own sets you apart from the rest. look at the FIRA, every second person uses El_Scorchos template, which is cool, but when everyone's using it, it takes away the advantage a little bit IMO.

in saying that, what does everyone honestly think of mine? i'm pretty happy with it ATM, but it's become something that i like to edit frequently to make it the best i can possibly do, so any criticisms are welcome!

Can you post a most recent version of it? I liked it when I last saw it.

 

[El_Scorcho]

STFU Scorch, everything does not need to be to your standard. The people that use Ai and PS need to realize that there are people out there that don't have the same resources as you. As I said earlier this week, the board spends too much time focusing on the template that we use rather than the actual design.

Get your hand off it ffs. Nobody made you use a better template, you made that decision yourself and overall the results were pretty good. Your subsequent big cry about it was puzzling because you'd actually improved and were getting some really positive feedback and I was really proud of you for taking a step. You then chose to throw it back in the faces of the people who had encouraged you.

The same resources? I have the internet and some experience. Those are my resources. This is a graphic design board and people want to talk about graphic design as a whole, not just guernsey designs. That means improving how designs are displayed, not just the designs themselves.

People can post what they want, the vast majority of people have shown a willingness to improve. Even people who are happy with a (relatively) old looking paint template can still do great work. Look at basically everything carls12 does.

If you're using paint and saying that you can't improve your skills because you don't have the resources, there is only one thing limiting you, and it's not the program you're using.

As for THB's template, it's the first 'original' template that he has used. You probably weren't that much better with your first template.

Wrong again. My first ever template is the one that the half back used to modify into a paint template. The one I released earlier this year for anyone to use as they see fit. I didn't make templates for the first 6 or 7 years I was here because I wasn't capable of creating something i'd be happy with, and the very generous people on this board had released templates for me to use.

If you think that ScottFreo is such a brilliant Paint designer, I challenge you to use only Paint and Word to create a full set of jumpers for the next League-style competition.

Lolle. Why? What will that prove Akkaps? That paint is hard to use? If I was forced to use paint, i'd be using the best paint template that had been released until I felt comfortable enough with the program to make my own, however long that took. I'd also be taking as much advice as I could from the Paint experts we have here on the board.

It's a design competition and I use photoshop and i've worked very hard at improving my photoshop skills. ScottFreo (and E92 and others) don't have photoshop, so they've spent a lot of time developing their skills in paint.

 

[NM_Mitchell]

 

[The Half Back]

Scorch was just saying that it would be more reasonable to use a template which is specifically made for the software one is using, rather than taking a template for another program and converting it for a worse result.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with telling people to work within their technical and software limitations when it makes their stuff look better. No one is having a go or criticising the work done by others outright.

A worse result? Are you for real? How can it be a worse result when I'm not comparing it to anyone or anything?

I don't care what the fall out is for me after all this, but everyone on this board needs to take a big step back and realise this isn't a ****ing competition. It's all fun and games until someone says "I'm better than you." People make templates because they want to make templates. There's no problems there at all. People design guernsey's because they want to design guernsey's, there's no problem with that either. But when someone uses the words 'better' or 'worse' then you just have to think about what type of people are on this board.

I used to think this board was about being showing their ideas for designing guernsey's, but if it just one big competition where everyone has to get the better of everyone else, then I don't want anything to do with that.

Designing guernsey's is meant to be fun, and it was, but now it's not fun and people wonder why the RCT got shut down and threads get derailed on this board so much. Ego's. People thinking they're better than everyone else. As soon as that disappears, the board will be back to the way it was.


If anyone has any problems with what I'm saying, PM me.
If not, stop the competitions and just have fun ffs.

 

[Dylan8]

Alright, let's drop it. This isn't going anywhere. If you feel that way THB, don't unleash a full blown rebuttal to someone and spur the argument on. There's absolutely no need to take offense at someone pointing to where you make your stuff better. If you don't want to, fine. But don't cry about it when people are keen to help you out with simple suggestions.

You're misinterpreting everything directed at you here.

 

[The Half Back]

Alright, let's drop it. This isn't going anywhere. If you feel that way THB, don't unleash a full blown rebuttal to someone and spur the argument on. There's absolutely no need to take offense at someone pointing to where you make your stuff better. If you don't want to, fine. But don't cry about it when people are keen to help you out with simple suggestions.

You're misinterpreting everything directed at you here.

Where did I ask for help? I posted a guernsey about what I wanted the Hawks to wear as a home guernsey next year and everyone's jumping down my throat about templates?

You're a moderator of this board and you're using the words 'better' and 'worse'. If you want to put me down for the template, go ahead, but don't say you're trying to help me when I didn't ask for it. Still, nobody has said anything about the actually design of the GUERNSEY that I posted.

I'm not misinterpreting anything that anyone has said, I'm pointing out why this board has gone downhill recently.

 

[Dylan8]

This is great. Everything is so cleaned up and polished brilliantly. Literally all I'd do is make the blue bit on the collar the slightest bit darker on the back to differential it from the front part.

 

[NM_Mitchell]

cheers.

hmm, i'd never thought of that, i'll keep that in mind for the next design.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Where did I ask for help? I posted a guernsey about what I wanted the Hawks to wear as a home guernsey next year and everyone's jumping down my throat about templates?

You're a moderator of this board and you're using the words 'better' and 'worse'. If you want to put me down for the template, go ahead, but don't say you're trying to help me when I didn't ask for it. Still, nobody has said anything about the actually design of the GUERNSEY that I posted.

I'm not misinterpreting anything that anyone has said, I'm pointing out why this board has gone downhill recently.

You said "i'm just testing out a template" and posted it. If that's not an invitation for feedback, i'm not sure what is.

The guernsey design you posted is a slight variation on the current away, with a new number font (which i'm always very positive about) and brown shorts. That's fine.

If you don't want anyone talking about what you've made, why are you showing us?

 

[Dylan8]

Where did I ask for help? I posted a guernsey about what I wanted the Hawks to wear as a home guernsey next year and everyone's jumping down my throat about templates?

You're a moderator of this board and you're using the words 'better' and 'worse'. If you want to put me down for the template, go ahead, but don't say you're trying to help me when I didn't ask for it. Still, nobody has said anything about the actually design of the GUERNSEY that I posted.

I'm not misinterpreting anything that anyone has said, I'm pointing out why this board has gone downhill recently.

We are on a graphic design board/community. There's a willingness to advise other people on how to make stuff better (that is not a dirty word, too, don't make it out like that).

No one has commented on the design because it essentially already exists. There's not much to say.

Again, don't take offense to people actively trying to improve stuff that can be improved by a simple change like a different template. It's not an indictment on your designs, it's advice. Take it or leave it, but don't crack it at someone.

 

[El_Scorcho]

This is fantastic. Great work!

I'd do the same as what Dylan said, but it doesn't need anything else. You should be able to make a transparent black layer that sits over the top of the back part of the collar so you don't have to manually darken it.

I'd probably add socks but that's up to you.

 

[Dylan8]

I believe it is based off mine, that's probably why there's no socks

 

[The Half Back]

You said "i'm just testing out a template" and posted it. If that's not an invitation for feedback, i'm not sure what is.

The guernsey design you posted is a slight variation on the current away, with a new number font (which i'm always very positive about) and brown shorts. That's fine.

If you don't want anyone talking about what you've made, why are you showing us?

So if you see a girl walking around in a bikini, is that an invitation for you to hit on her?

As opposed to all the guernsey that have been posted in that thread that are basically the same as this year with minor changes? You haven't told anyone else to change theirs or not post it.

I posted it because it's what I want to see the Hawks wear next year in home games, seeing as though, that's the point of the thread.

 

[Gibbsy]

So if you see a girl walking around in a bikini, is that an invitation for you to hit on her?

As opposed to all the guernsey that have been posted in that thread that are basically the same as this year with minor changes? You haven't told anyone else to change theirs or not post it.

I posted it because it's what I want to see the Hawks wear next year in home games, seeing as though, that's the point of the thread.

Okay I have a suggestion and please don't get all vitriolic about it. Because everyone here is genuinely trying to help.

Take a look at this program called Gimpshop. It's 100% free, a tailor-made Photoshop alternative. Download it, it's created from the GIMP platform to be a like-for-like free representation of PS, to the point where you can follow PS tutorials without needing any extra guidance. Just make sure to untick the extra programs when you download.

www.gimpshop.com/mac_download

 

[Dylan8]

I posted it because it's what I want to see the Hawks wear next year in home games, seeing as though, that's the point of the thread.

You did say Hawks Away. Say that explicitly and tell us why, I'm sure that would have got the ball rolling. In fact, I'll give you a reply to that now.

 

[El_Scorcho]

So if you see a girl walking around in a bikini, is that an invitation for you to hit on her?

As opposed to all the guernsey that have been posted in that thread that are basically the same as this year with minor changes? You haven't told anyone else to change theirs or not post it.

I posted it because it's what I want to see the Hawks wear next year in home games, seeing as though, that's the point of the thread.

If it's a girl I know and she says "hey just testing out my new bikini" then i'd take that as an invitation to comment on the new bikini, saying something like "it's nice" or "cool, where did you get it?"

I'm really not sure how your analogy is in any way relevant.

I didn't comment on your actual design because there wasn't really a whole lot to comment on.

 

[The Half Back]

If it's a girl I know and she says "hey just testing out my new bikini" then i'd take that as an invitation to comment on the new bikini, saying something like "it's nice" or "cool, where did you get it?"

I'm really not sure how your analogy is in any way relevant.

I didn't comment on your actual design because there wasn't really a whole lot to comment on.

But you wouldn't say, "that bikini would look better if you took that top string off and changed the angle of the undies.

Then why comment at all?

 

[El_Scorcho]

But you wouldn't say, "that bikini would look better if you took that top string off and changed the angle of the undies.

Then why comment at all?

If she posted a picture of it on a bikini discussion board, where discussion and feedback and advice happened in every thread every day, I probably would.

You've posted a new template (which you expressly reference in your post) containing an existing design. There is nothing to talk about with the design. If you don't want feedback, why not leave out the image altogether and say "I think the Hawks should switch to predominantly brown at home next season" and everyone would know what you meant.

Nobody posts anything they don't want people to see or talk about. It's a discussion forum.

 

[The Half Back]

If she posted a picture of it on a bikini discussion board, where discussion and feedback and advice happened in every thread every day, I probably would.

You've posted a new template (which you expressly reference in your post) containing an existing design. There is nothing to talk about with the design. If you don't want feedback, why not leave out the image altogether and say "I think the Hawks should switch to predominantly brown at home next season" and everyone would know what you meant.

Nobody posts anything they don't want people to see or talk about. It's a discussion forum.

This is a workshop thread, not a discussion thread. It's for people to post their work, not to have others discuss the positives and negatives of it.

It's not a new template, it's an already existent template, used in a different program.

Did that, got in trouble for it.

 

[El_Scorcho]

This is a workshop thread, not a discussion thread. It's for people to post their work, not to have others discuss the positives and negatives of it.

It's not a new template, it's an already existent template, used in a different program.

Did that, got in trouble for it.

It's a workshop thread on a discussion forum. What's the point of the thread if we're not discussing what people post? If you don't want to know what people think of what you've posted, why are you posting it?

Nobody got in trouble.