Current Terence Darrell Kelly - Abduction of 4yo Blowholes Shacks WA #2

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Plea deal? He's yet to give motive or reasoning, I highly doubt hell except a plea deal and of he did, it would most likely be be a lesser charge as the police had absolutely zero forensic evidence that puts him at the camp sight at all.Appatetly he left not even a footprint let alone DNA or anything credible to suggest that he was there.
Now couple that with the thourough search of his residence, still nothing was found that the AIC considers as tell tail signs he was a pefofile and intended to use Cleo to sexually assualt.
Things a pedofile usually has
1.No images or pedofilia related pornograpgy was found in the house.
2.No evidence Terrence Kelly was part of a network or groups usually sought after by pedofiles.
3.After almost 3 weeks in his care, there was no attempted sexual violations against Cleo, in fact she seemed happy and unharmed.
It will be interesting to see what comes from further court appearances and what evidence the DPp have

What type of forensic evidence do you want? Direct evidence is lacking as you say but they do have witness testimonies about time of tire screeching (did they also get a tyre print?) They have a witness sighting of a vehicle leaving the camp site in that time frame, which lead to further CCTV evidence of vehicle movements. They also have Mobile Tracking evidence of HIS mobile phone. From all this they can put HIM at the scene. Sure he may able say that it wasn't him in his car and his phone just happened to be in his car but that will just implicate a third person.

Then you have possible physical evidence like saliva, urine, semen, hair, and botanical materials, such as wood, plants, pollens and maybe firepits etc. Forensics spent a long time collecting evidence, what and how do you know what they actually collected?

When it comes to the position of the tent zip, missing sleeping bag, footprints - disturbed soil etc that is what is called Reconstructive Evidence. This evidence is what helps recreate what happened at the crime scene.

And then you have Associate Evidence, there doesn't appear to be a direct connect between him and the Smiths except that they live in the same small town and within close approximately to each other. Of cause the fact that Cleo was found at his house creates a damning association.
 
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Some valid points, but your forgetting TK and Cleo's location were not discovered by chance, so I seriously doubt he or his legal counsel will contest the two charges. The fact that he did not harm Cleo is definitely in his favour.

And the Plea deal I'm referring to would be focused around arguments from the defense related to TK's rehabilitation, not incarceration. i.e. 5 years at Graylands Hospital vs 10 years in Casuarina prison.
Probably..It will turn out just the way the system wants I think with this one.Although I'd of expected some sort of brief of evidence presented to his legal aid solicitor, he has to know what charges he's pleading too surely .
But they haven't so far I believe no DNA, forensics put him at the camp sight .
Some valid points, but your forgetting TK and Cleo's location were not discovered by chance, so I seriously doubt he or his legal counsel will contest the two charges. The fact that he did not harm Cleo is definitely in his favour.

And the Plea deal I'm referring to would be focused around arguments from the defense related to TK's rehabilitation, not incarceration. i.e. 5 years at Graylands Hospital vs 10 years in Casuarina prison.
How do you know all this?
It's all public knowledge of you look.
 

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DNA is only useful if you can compare it


DNA comparison is also used to eliminate people along with DNA mitocondrial sequencing to get close relatives..
Unless your sayi g the police did go d DMA but unsuccessfully unmatched,? & where was it found?
But in this case, Cleo Smith home was secured and her own DNA was taken
The alledged kidnapper had some prior matters with police and his DNA was on record.
 

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DNA comparison is also used to eliminate people along with DNA mitocondrial sequencing to get close relatives..
Unless your sayi g the police did go d DMA but unsuccessfully unmatched,? & where was it found?
But in this case, Cleo Smith home was secured and her own DNA was taken
The alledged kidnapper had some prior matters with police and his DNA was on record.

I didn't know police had TKs DNA on file. He must of committed a serious offence in the past then? I think it might be different from state to state in terms of dna collection and storage.

 

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When I read comments from people (not just on this forum) that Cleo was not harmed, it not only annoys me, it offends me.

I have C-PTSD from childhood trauma and have met many others along the way. Some were victims of sexual abuse and others were not, but they all suffered the effects of their trauma.

I'm sure I'd meet the criteria from some of these people that my trauma was particularly bad due to the nature of it.

But my trauma doesn't trump someone else's trauma. And the bits that tend to make others uncomfortable, were not the worst of it for me.

We don't know what happened in that house and whether she was abused in some way or not.

But lets assume she was not abused. CS was still harmed. She was taken from her parents by a stranger and often left alone in a locked room in a locked house.

Hopefully she is well supported and any effects are not lifelong, but if people around her minimise her experience like some people on social media do, then her prognosis might not be so positive.
Im sort youv suffered the effects of earlier trauma.
It's true trauma can't be wieghed or compared between victims.In Cleo's case saying she was harmed, that was after she'd been taken to hospital, fully examined.It was reported in media that the parents had access to the best child psychologist if and when Cleo showed any signs of mental trauma..
There are well know instances when a child can truly not be effected in a tramatic way ie,; she may well of been upset and anxious, bit not to a degree where it will stay with her.To date she's said to be copi.grstay well as if she'd just been away for a few weeks..Let's hope she does t have permanent trauma.Its nothing be offended by ,it's more about him I think when they bring that up
 

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Well actually, he was arrested because doectoblackbof any evidence, DNA, any leads, a Million dollar reward was offered .Several members of the nearby nieghbourhood reported the sounds and visual sighting of child at his house..that's why he was arrested 18 days after she went missing..Or can you tell me why if they knew it was him that took this child why wait 18 days?! what was that about,??

We have a dedicated media thread here, there are a lot of articles which detail what led the police to Kelly and carry interviews with the neighbours. It appears the police have placed Kelly at the campsite via his mobile phone.


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What about the dolls I recall he was witnessed buying.
Was he buying those for his grandma, himself, or was it a shared collection?
We have a dedicated media thread here, there are a lot of articles which detail what led the police to Kelly and carry interviews with the neighbours. It appears the police have placed Kelly at the campsite via his mobile phone.


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[/QUOh I didn't know he left his phone behind or it was traced to his phone..wow..
I've got an app on .y mine that does that in 30 minutes..How come they waited 18 days. weeks?
Sure your not referring to the collection of data from around that time and area they applied for after be was caught,?
Either way, data from a satellite, a server or any other mobile tower and his solicitor could argue that some one else had his phone..It's not evidence.
Good point,where granny last lived and where they found Cleo are different houses on opposite sides of town.
Pretty sure TK has been in jail before so fair chance cops had his DNA.
Ibe read other credible articles that stated that is the house that he shared previously with the women that raised him.
 

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Know all what. What part
All of it. Maybe they're assumptions?

Footprints mayb9f been found but no DNA. Nothing.If there was anything to connect anyone to the campsight the police would of had a valid supsect within days .Forensic testing is extremely fast these days.
I'm just going off things scientific facts, evidence that can be tested..An unknown footprint, could be anyone.
He had the girl at his home, so without a reasonable argument being put up by his defence to dispute it TK will be found guilty (beyond reasonable doubt) of taking her from the camp. Defence will need evidence to show it was someone else. I'm betting they won't have that but if they do good on them.
 

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Umm not sure why you have quoted me here, all I mentioned was legal representation.

In regards to what you have posted, unfortunately none of us know what evidence Police have. We don't know what sort of crime was committed in those 18 day's. TK has 2 charges and 1 charge we don't even know what that relates to. I don't have the privilege of looking at Police Files, so I can only go off what media say and post my opinion.

But your post seems to be stating FACTS, which unfortunately there isn't many of those at the moment, simply because it's only early day's with TK's brief court appearances.
He might also have other charges that are suppressed. His sentence should be a clue when that's finally handed down.
 

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All of it. Maybe they're assumptions?


He had the girl at his home, so without a reasonable argument being put up by his defence to dispute it TK will be found guilty (beyond reasonable doubt) of taking her from the camp. Defence will need evidence to show it was someone else. I'm betting they won't have that but if they do good on them.

Moreover, I suggest if a missing child was found in a locked room in my house after 18 days, I'm not sure supporting DNA, footprints or any other technical evidence against me would really be my main concern..?
I could be wrong, but a plausible explanation and/or a verifiable alibi on the other hand would be top of my list - and even in the unlikely event these have some validity, I'm confident Dennis Denuto could represent the prosecution in this case and still get a conviction..!
 

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Moreover, I suggest if a missing child was found in a locked room in my house after 18 days, I'm not sure supporting DNA, footprints or any other technical evidence against me would really be my main concern..?
I could be wrong, but a plausible explanation and/or a verifiable alibi on the other hand would be top of my list - and even in the unlikely event these have some validity, I'm confident Dennis Denuto could represent the prosecution in this case and still get a conviction..!
I wonder if he has given his story to the police or is staying quiet on legal advice. He gives the impression he likes attention - the wink, for example. So he may have already made admissions. But the police must be thorough and gather every bit of evidence they can. A mistrial would be a disaster.
 

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I wonder if he has given his story to the police or is staying quiet on legal advice. He gives the impression he likes attention - the wink, for example. So he may have already made admissions. But the police must be thorough and gather every bit of evidence they can. A mistrial would be a disaster.
I’m not sure he winked , I think the sun was in his eyes.
 

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Im sort youv suffered the effects of earlier trauma.
It's true trauma can't be wieghed or compared between victims.In Cleo's case saying she was harmed, that was after she'd been taken to hospital, fully examined.It was reported in media that the parents had access to the best child psychologist if and when Cleo showed any signs of mental trauma..
There are well know instances when a child can truly not be effected in a tramatic way ie,; she may well of been upset and anxious, bit not to a degree where it will stay with her.To date she's said to be copi.grstay well as if she'd just been away for a few weeks..Let's hope she does t have permanent trauma.Its nothing be offended by ,it's more about him I think when they bring that up

Hopefully the effects on CS are minimal. It would also have been incredibly traumatic for her parents. As a parent myself I'd rather physical torture then the psychological trauma they went through for 18 days.

It will be interesting if TK is confirmed to be a victim of trauma/s. I've made the assumption he is a victim of trauma based on the little history we know and that he is indigenous.

The telling thing will be if TK had good supports or not.

If he didn't, then it does not excuse his alleged crime, but it provides society with important information on why crimes might occur and how we might prevent more victims of trauma.
 

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'He was recently charged with assaulting a public officer on November 4, which was the same day he made his first court appearance in Carnarvon.'

'Police declined to comment about the charge when asked by NCA NewsWire on Monday.
It is not known whether the charge relates to an alleged assault on a prison or police officer, or anyone else who falls under the offence.'
 

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'He was recently charged with assaulting a public officer on November 4, which was the same day he made his first court appearance in Carnarvon.'

'Police declined to comment about the charge when asked by NCA NewsWire on Monday.
It is not known whether the charge relates to an alleged assault on a prison or police officer, or anyone else who falls under the offence.'

Of course the media as usual providing 'a headline' with very little context..? Whereas 'assault', as most know is a rather ambiguous term that sometimes does not involve a violent act. During police custody 'assault' can merely be related to resisting arrest, restraint or detainment, whereby a simple push or a shove can be and is sometimes interpreted by police as 'assault'.

Moreover, police have been known to deliberately exaggerate an incident and file an assault charge usually to portray the accused as a violent character in support of a later conviction.

While TK obviously has some mental health issues, he doesn't appear to be a particularly 'violent person' - his neighbours or others in the community cannot even ever recall seeing him in an argument - which is not to say he's not capable of violence, but given certain circumstances we all are...
 
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