Terry wallace?

[jeemak]

At the time I kind of thought we were being a little harsh on him. Looking back though I realised that he was playing a pretty dangerous hand that always had the potential to blow up in his face.

I think he should have just left it until after round 22 where both parties could have possibly parted ways respectfully. Unfortunately his ego didn't allow this and he didn't realise the implications his actions would have on a group of people that held him in high regard.

 

[Nineteen_Fifty_Four]

At the time I kind of thought we were being a little harsh on him. Looking back though I realised that he was playing a pretty dangerous hand that always had the potential to blow up in his face.

I think he should have just left it until after round 22 where both parties could have possibly parted ways respectfully. Unfortunately his ego didn't allow this and he didn't realise the implications his actions would have on a group of people that held him in high regard.

But thats it if you disregard the Sydney conspiracies maybe he genuinely wanted to go into battle with the group one last time and say thank you and goodbye.

 

[The Coon Dog]

maybe he genuinely wanted to go into battle with the group one last time and say thank you and goodbye.

Then why didn't he wait a week to say he was leaving?

 

[Nineteen_Fifty_Four]

Then why didn't he wait a week to say he was leaving?

Umm I dont think round 23 was quite an option

 

[The Coon Dog]

Umm I dont think round 23 was quite an option

OK, I'll reword the question so you might understand it, personally didn't think it was too difficult the first time to be honest.

Now, if Terry wanted to go out with the group one last time to say good-bye with them, surely he'd have kept his big gob shut, waited until after round 22, then said 'good-bye'.

Would have been so much nicer, surely?

 

[Aquamarinejewel]

I still strongly believe he should have been given a farewell match. I think it would have been a dignified way to thank him for his contribution to the club not only as a coach but as a player. I think the way the club went about it was petty and wrong.

No, glad he didn't get his farewell match, he had a contract to fulfill but decided he wanted out, told the players some half hour before the press conference of his intentions. His manager said in hindsight that Wallace perhaps went about it wrongly, too late by then the damage had been done.

The senior players at the time (a day or so after the announcement) participated in a vote and didn't want him coaching them for that final game -I fully applaud their decison to do so.

 

[Borgsta]

You posted it

I asked about 1996 and 2007?
Where?

 

[camstars]

But thats it if you disregard the Sydney conspiracies maybe he genuinely wanted to go into battle with the group one last time and say thank you and goodbye.

Personally I'd had a gutfull of him by the end so I was glad to see him go.
Why would the players want to go into battle with him again when he
said he could do no more with them and was bailing out on them.
From what I can remember Grant was really upset with him and did not want to play under him.
How were we harsh when he was the one who went behind our back to Sydney.
The final game would have been all for his ego.

 

[The Coon Dog]

The senior players at the time (a day or so after the announcement) participated in a vote and didn't want him coaching them for that final game -I fully applaud their decison to do so.

I thought Chris Grant really stood tall at that time!

 

[camstars]

I thought Chris Grant really stood tall at that time!

definately,cause he new what Wallace was about.
You couldn't get two more opersite people.Wallace big head and full of himself and Grant down to earth.
You can see why Wallace and Brown got on so well.It's all about them.

 

[Aquamarinejewel]

I thought Chris Grant really stood tall at that time!

That he did - Chris took the reins, the meeting was called, votes were taken & the decision was made. Only one player showed signs of visible distress and he is now with Wallace. To this day Grant and Wallace have not said more than a few words to each other.

Wallace not shaking Grant's hand after the game when Grant broke EJ's record reaffirmed in my mind I was glad Wallace was gone.

Anyway, he is Richmond's concern now, hopefully he won't do the same thing to them once he realizes "He can't take their list any further".

 

[acker]

I asked about 1996 and 2007?
Where?

I expanded

P.S I'm not hung up about the yellow card.

 

[Nineteen_Fifty_Four]

Chris Grant also said Peter Rhodes was the right man for the job when Wallace left.

 

[acker]

Terry's ending was pathetically stage managed by himself.

The argument with Smorgo when the club was stuggling financially about the luxury of him having a "personal assistant" was also another big blot on what if he had have handled the end differently should have been a better outcome than what we are discussing in this thread.

Wind back the clock, Terry 2002 let's the "PA" get the chop and announces his retirement or change of club's gracefully after season 2002 is fully concluded without a stupid statement like "I took them as far as they can go"

Instead said something simple like "I was getting stale with them and they were getting stale with me"

(a) A lot more of the players including Chris would have still been friendly with him.

(b) And us fans would probably still regard him as a legend as a coach.

Jeez he stuffed the ending.

 

[camstars]

Terry's ending was pathetically stage managed by himself.

The argument with Smorgo when the club was stuggling financially about the luxury of him having a "personal assistant" was also another big blot on what if he had have handled the end differently should have been a better outcome than what we are discussing in this thread.

Wind back the clock, Terry 2002 let's the "PA" get the chop and announces his retirement or change of club's gracefully after season 2002 is fully concluded without a stupid statement like "I took them as far as they can go"

Instead said something simple like "I was getting stale with them and they were getting stale with me"

(a) A lot more of the players including Chris would have still been friendly with him.

(b) And us fans would probably still regard him as a legend as a coach.

Jeez he stuffed the ending.

Absolutely spot on.

 

[camstars]

Chris Grant also said Peter Rhodes was the right man for the job when Wallace left.

Yes well he got that wrong.
You obviously are going to defend Terry no matter what even if it means having a dig at Grant.Can you see any fault with Wallace.

 

[Aquamarinejewel]

Jeez he stuffed the ending.

Yes, Wallace did stuff up the ending acker, I remember at the time the media were even having digs at him regarding the way he left, questioning his integrity etc. If he left on a good note he would've had the respect of the players he coached, the staff and most importantly the supporters instead it left a bitter undertone with all associated.

 

[paul scholes]

Terry Wallace was the best coach the bulldogs have had in my lifetime. He took us to back to back prelims and consecutive finals series. He left because of the cut backs in expenditure in the football department and was honest and upfront about it. Unfortunately some people have never been able to accpet the fact that they took an axe to our football department and went even further after Wallace left by hiring a cheap as chips coach. If anyone is to blame for the years that followed Wallaces departure its probably the axe men that tried to run a successful football department on the budgetry equivalent of an oily rag.

Again back to back prelims and consecutive finals series. Helped players reinvent themselves when most clubs would have mad ethem retire. He also coached us to a win over an Essendon side that nearly made history were it not for his incredible strategies. Seriously the record speaks for itself. As for his time at Richmond well that record also speaks for itself.

Gee forgot the bit about the Sydney coaching jobAlso forgot the call to caaaaarlton for the coaching vacancyFunny how when he joined Richmond there were wait for it MASSIVE CUTS TO THE FOOTBALL DEPT.

 

[kookadog]

This has probably already been done before but i would like to know what you opinion on terry is?? did he do anything for your club? why was he sacked???

to me he seems to have the right idea but is unable to deliver!!! or maybe it is the young group, i don't know? what do you guys think?

Please try to be honest!!

I used to believe in Terry Wallace, I thought he was one of the best coaches and I thought he was gonna take us to a premiership, he's a really charismatic guy which alot of people fell for including the players.

I felt sick the day he quit, I was in shock.

in hindsight I think his best days are behind him, he's stuffed the tigers list as he did with ours in the end. And lets be honest you can only tan skin so much until it turns into something you throw on the back of a horse.

 

[paul scholes]

Chris Grant also said Peter Rhodes was the right man for the job when Wallace left.

Fancy questioning a guy who stayed LOYAL to the club to a guy who basically told a truckfull of b/s when he decided to vacate the place.

I f your going to pump up his tyres re.97 98 are you going to be critical of his post 98 decisions i.e Libba out of the goal square,Aaron James at f/f Andrew Wills,trent Bartlett,Winmar

 

[paul scholes]

Terry's ending was pathetically stage managed by himself.

The argument with Smorgo when the club was stuggling financially about the luxury of him having a "personal assistant" was also another big blot on what if he had have handled the end differently should have been a better outcome than what we are discussing in this thread.

Wind back the clock, Terry 2002 let's the "PA" get the chop and announces his retirement or change of club's gracefully after season 2002 is fully concluded without a stupid statement like "I took them as far as they can go"

Instead said something simple like "I was getting stale with them and they were getting stale with me"

(a) A lot more of the players including Chris would have still been friendly with him.

(b) And us fans would probably still regard him as a legend as a coach.

Jeez he stuffed the ending.

Spot on Don't know about the ''legend'' line though. A flag would have changed that

 

[acker]

Take away the ending Aqua and I reckon that within the confines of our less than opulent football budget he was brilliant.

I still remember him in the "Year of the Dog" 1996, the year prior to it almost being "Year of the Dog" 1997. Quite and calmly telling his assistant coaches "I'm going to blow the **** out of these guy's" what do you think.

Then quietly and calmly entering the room with the players then proceeding to do it.

I think he got a lot of things right in 97, 98 and 99. But unfortunately as Malcolm Blight said later he was still very green at the time.

In his heyday Terry knew Johnno, Smithy, Grant, Wynd, Libba, Southern, Dimma, Westy, Jose, Darc, etc intimately. He knew Johnno so well that one of his first actions as coach was to get him into a boxing ring to train him self defense because he was sick of Johnno getting concussed every second week.

Anyone else notice the last 3 great coaches that took us to finals prior to Eade were not that far off from finishing their playing careers Malthouse 1984, Wheeler 1990 and Wallace late 1996.

Lets not forget our premiership coach in 1954 was a player.

 

[Nineteen_Fifty_Four]

Gee forgot the bit about the Sydney coaching jobAlso forgot the call to caaaaarlton for the coaching vacancyFunny how when he joined Richmond there were wait for it MASSIVE CUTS TO THE FOOTBALL DEPT.

There never was any proof about Sydney and there still isnt any proof because tis a conspiracy theory. They may have had cuts at Richmond but I bet you any money that even with cuts to the football departments budget it still had more funding than what the bulldogs wanted to spend in 2003.

As for the Chris Grant remark I was just saying he did talk up Peter Rhode. It happened I didnt make it up. I was just trying to illustrate that even the mighty make mistakes.

Again my position on Wallace is clear. 2 Prelims consecutive finals, didnt leave on great terms both parties could have handled it better. We worse off for him leaving and even worse off that our club made a mammoth mistake in appointing Peter Rhode and under funding the football department. These two mistakes have been acknowledged by the club in the way they have now been fixed. We now have a football department that has more funding than ever and a coach who has had 4 preseasons and 3 trading periods and the team is going backwards. Its time for all of us to get over Wallace regardless of our feelings and make sure the current team is accountable.

 

[acker]

I rarely ever agree with "paul scholes" or end up on the same side of the argument with him.

But I think he is totally right, Terry shot his load so to speak trying to position himself for the Sydney job.

It's hard to see a comeback for Plough from here, likewise Brian Royal.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I think it was about two games before he announced he was leaving that I had watch Wallace out in the ground. We had just been belted in a game that we were expected to win, and he was livid, he was grinding his teeth and looking at the opposition chanting supporters, and I remember thinking then that he has had enough. It didn't suprise me when he said he was going, but the way he did it shocked me. He of all people knew how fragile our club is, and to say that he 'couldn't take this list any further' was really kicking us when we were down.

Personally, I was more upset when Malthouse went, I thought he would have taken us to a premiership. The thing with Malthouse is that he still seems to have a soft spot for the dogs, he oftens sticks up for us in the media - remember when Harvey turned his nose up - said he wouldn't coach us? Malthouse jumped straight in and said that to be offered any coaching position in the AFL was a privilege - shut him right up.