Test #5 - Changes

[the_interloper]

Faulkners batting isn't good enough to bat at 6, neither is Haddins so we can't bat him at 7. His bowling isn't quite good enough to be a front line bowler yet either. I'd play him in the ODI side but he's not up to test cricket yet until either his bowling or batting is test standard.

I'd give him a go, a first class bowling average of 23 should allow him to play as a bowler, would be handy at number 8 with his batting too, even move him to 7. Give Harris a rest, he's done enough and we don't need him breaking down now.

The beginning of the Australian summer will be very interesting now, guys like Joe Burns and Doolan will be eyeing off spots, and even if Andrew McDonald comes back well from injury or my dark horse Luke Butterworth. For Henriques to have played Test cricket and not Butterworth, well that's damn ordinary imo.

 

[TassieEagle]

Faulkners batting isn't good enough to bat at 6, neither is Haddins so we can't bat him at 7. His bowling isn't quite good enough to be a front line bowler yet either. I'd play him in the ODI side but he's not up to test cricket yet until either his bowling or batting is test standard.

That is the standard point trotted out about Faulkner... but is it true? His batting I agree isn't up to a number 6 standard but has better FC bowling average than Starc, Sidde, Harris and Patto. In fairness he is still pretty new on the scene so lets compare with a more direct peer... say Starc. he would be the one most comparable to Faulks (almost identical in age and FC matches played) and their stats are slanted in one players direction with both bat and ball and it ain't Starc.

22.8 v 31.2 with the ball.
30.3 v 24.6 with the bat.
89 v 99 higherst score. Starcs 99 in the test arena, Faulks 89 in the next best thing (shield final)
Faulks wins in economy, strike rate, and BBM. Starc has better BBI stats.
Last shield season it was 20.33 v 22 though starc only played 2 games.

So if Starc is good enough for the test team then surely Faulkner is as well.

DISCLAIMER: Yes I am biased and I think Starc should not be in our test team.

 

[HBF]

Swann and Pietersen have had issues with injury for a while now.

Certainly agree with Swann.
Even if he is still playing I can't see him having the influence he is having now.
Not sure about KP - will depend how he is seeing them.

The bonus is that their bowlers are aging, and hopefully they'll all be on the decline when we're back there in 2015.

 

[bones54]

In: Wade, Faulkner
Out: Khawaja, Watson (if he can't bowl)

 

[Gough]

In: Women's Team
Out: Men's Team

 

[Outshined]

Yes. There is no point in shuffling around the same players like they do, just ****ing stick with them for a longish period. All this piss-farting around has not meant any match wins.

Rod Marsh and Invers are smart guys and OLD guys so why are they behaving in this stupid manner over selections?

It's not as bad as the Hilditch era, but some of the selections we've seen over the past couple of years have been baffling... Glenn ****ing Maxwell!

I'm hoping that Lehmann will push to keep guys like Khawaja and Smith in the team for a little while longer. It's a good sign that Khawaja's had at least more than two consecutive tests, but I still fear he might get cast aside for the 5th test. The impatience we have with our young cricketers is frustrating, but it's sort of understandable given the sustained success we've recently had and people like Hussey entering the team and having an immediate impact.

Sam Robson at Middlesex. He is making runs for fun and the Poms ar sniffing around him. Get him in the side before the Poms get him.

Already committed to England.

 

[allrighty]

In: Women's Team
Out: Men's Team

Like I said above, they mightn't win ... but they would have a good crack.

 

[allrighty]

In: Wade, Faulkner
Out: Khawaja, Watson (if he can't bowl)

Out: Watson even if he can bowl. Talent aplenty but body language, team orientation, and mental strength all zip.

 

[King Elvis]

Hughes was our U19 WC Keeper, wasn't he?

 

[bird_man]

I'd give him a go, a first class bowling average of 23 should allow him to play as a bowler, would be handy at number 8 with his batting too, even move him to 7. Give Harris a rest, he's done enough and we don't need him breaking down now.

The beginning of the Australian summer will be very interesting now, guys like Joe Burns and Doolan will be eyeing off spots, and even if Andrew McDonald comes back well from injury or my dark horse Luke Butterworth. For Henriques to have played Test cricket and not Butterworth, well that's damn ordinary imo.

I can handle him playing as a bowler, but if he bats at 7 where will Haddin bat? 6 or 8?

 

[bird_man]

That is the standard point trotted out about Faulkner... but is it true? His batting I agree isn't up to a number 6 standard but has better FC bowling average than Starc, Sidde, Harris and Patto. In fairness he is still pretty new on the scene so lets compare with a more direct peer... say Starc. he would be the one most comparable to Faulks (almost identical in age and FC matches played) and their stats are slanted in one players direction with both bat and ball and it ain't Starc.

22.8 v 31.2 with the ball.
30.3 v 24.6 with the bat.
89 v 99 higherst score. Starcs 99 in the test arena, Faulks 89 in the next best thing (shield final)
Faulks wins in economy, strike rate, and BBM. Starc has better BBI stats.
Last shield season it was 20.33 v 22 though starc only played 2 games.

So if Starc is good enough for the test team then surely Faulkner is as well.

DISCLAIMER: Yes I am biased and I think Starc should not be in our test team.

Yeah that's fair enough, he does has really good bowling stats. I just hope if he comes in it's as a bowler that can make some runs at 8, not as an all rounder at 6 or 7 with Haddin in the team. The only way it might work as a number 7 is if Wade keeps and bats at 6.

 

[Phone]

ok now post john hastings' stats

 

[TassieEagle]

ok now post john hastings' stats

26.2 with the ball
23.1 with the bat

Both worse than Faulkner and 4 years older... not sure where he fits into the mix.

 

[the_interloper]

I can handle him playing as a bowler, but if he bats at 7 where will Haddin bat? 6 or 8?

I'd be a bit uncomfortable with Haddin at 6, so maybe 8. But I've got no problem with Faulkner playing at 8 really, it's good having an allrounder who can earn his spot in a specialist position so he deserves that shot.

 

[eth-dog]

Hughes was our U19 WC Keeper, wasn't he?

Nah, same u/19's as Wade

Warner, Rogers, Wade, Clarke, Smith, Haddin, Faulkner, Agar, Starc, Lyon, Bird

Rest Siddle and Harris, might as well try the spin twins as well

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Any side with Wade is a poor side. He isn't a good batsman, and he isn't even a competent keeper and that is being kind with his keeping. I would rather pick Cowan than pick Wade at number 3 where he has never batted before.

 

[Super Hans]

No changes, unless Watson is injured and Harris is rested.

 

[Black Diamond]

Hard to believe posters want Wade in as a batsman.

Out - Watson, Haddin & Bird
In - Faulkner, Wade & Starc

Time to build for the future Watson & Haddin have been horrible all series...

Ok.

 

[frankrizzo]

Hard to believe posters want Wade in as a batsman.

In the timeframe from his debut to being dropped for haddin he had as good a batting average as anybody not named clarke and more tons than anybody not named clarke.

he's not a great test batsmen but he's not competing with great batsmen for a spot, i can't see why anybody would instantly dismiss him chances of being able to compete with the likes of hughes watson khawaja and smith for a batting spot.

 

[The_Reaper]

In the timeframe from his debut to being dropped for haddin he had as good a batting average as anybody not named clarke and more tons than anybody not named clarke.

he's not a great test batsmen but he's not competing with great batsmen for a spot, i can't see why anybody would instantly dismiss him chances of being able to compete with the likes of hughes watson khawaja and smith for a batting spot.

I find the idea of Wade at number 3 pretty hilarious to be honest. Would be like selecting Andrew McDonald (a good batsman) at number 3 in the home Ashes series.

 

[Black Diamond]

In the timeframe from his debut to being dropped for haddin he had as good a batting average as anybody not named clarke and more tons than anybody not named clarke.

he's not a great test batsmen but he's not competing with great batsmen for a spot, i can't see why anybody would instantly dismiss him chances of being able to compete with the likes of hughes watson khawaja and smith for a batting spot.

It would be a stop-gap approach. A very England circa 1990s thing to do.

 

[frankrizzo]

I find the idea of Wade at number 3 pretty hilarious to be honest. Would be like selecting Andrew McDonald (a good batsman) at number 3 in the home Ashes series.

I wouldn't bat him at 3 either, if he did play just as a bat it would have to be at 5 or 6.

As for what illusion said about a stop gap and comparable to england playing geriatrics in the 1990's, i really don't get that he's only 25 and has better batting numbers at test level then nearly all those he is in competition with.

Hughes since his back to back tons 4 years ago has averaged just 27, watson in the last few years averages about the same, khawaja averages 25 yet it would be insane to consider somebody with a test average of 35 and two test tons for a spot over one of those guys?

 

[Sealz]

In the home series, I would prefer to see Wade, Hartley or even Paine (if he gets some runs) in the test side above Haddin.
Haddin has had a pretty good series with bat & gloves but has very limited upside and It's time to get some youth in the team.

Only change for the next test I would make is Faulkner for Watson (if cant bowl)

Would like to see Eddy Cown get another shot as he was pretty harshly dealt with... But I can't see him getting another go eßpecially as Warner & Rogers did a good job last up.

 

[The_Reaper]

I wouldn't bat him at 3 either, if he did play just as a bat it would have to be at 5 or 6.

As for what illusion said about a stop gap and comparable to england playing geriatrics in the 1990's, i really don't get that he's only 25 and has better batting numbers at test level then nearly all those he is in competition with.

Hughes since his back to back tons 4 years ago has averaged just 27, watson in the last few years averages about the same, khawaja averages 25 yet it would be insane to consider somebody with a test average of 35 and two test tons for a spot over one of those guys?

With Wade I'd like him to give up the gloves and bat a few years as a pure batsman.

For the next test our big problem with the bat is the number 3 and the number 4 spot.
Khawaja and Hughes are possibly long term number 3 and number 4s so we should play them there.

 

[Black Diamond]

In the home series, I would prefer to see Wade, Hartley or even Paine (if he gets some runs) in the test side above Haddin.
Haddin has had a pretty good series with bat & gloves but has very limited upside and It's time to get some youth in the team.

Only change for the next test I would make is Faulkner for Watson (if cant bowl)

Would like to see Eddy Cown get another shot as he was pretty harshly dealt with... But I can't see him getting another go eßpecially as Warner & Rogers did a good job last up.

We have got a lot of youth in the team already. We need experience so we need Haddin.

I agree Cowan was harshly dealt with, but he is extremely limited.