Conspiracy Theory The 15 minute city

[peetoo]

Not only has this concept been hard to achieve in practice, it’s now a conspiracy theory

Beggars belief that in th UK they stood and watched more public cctv installed than can be monitored practically, thousands decided their conspiracy is real

A 12-year-old girl has become a champion of the latest 'surreal' conspiracy theory

Conspiracy theorists have a new, unlikely target: The world of urban planning.

www.abc.net.au

 

[owen87]

Not only has this concept been hard to achieve in practice, it’s now a conspiracy theory

Beggars belief that in th UK they stood and watched more public cctv installed than can be monitored practically, thousands decided their conspiracy is real

A 12-year-old girl has become a champion of the latest 'surreal' conspiracy theory

Conspiracy theorists have a new, unlikely target: The world of urban planning.

www.abc.net.au

'it's my democratic right to sit in gridlock traffic with my big American pickup truck' says the conspiracists.

 

[burge13]

News.com.au has had a bit about this, i dont get the conspirary behind it? Whats the issue with having services within 15 minutes?

 

[owen87]

News.com.au has had a bit about this, i dont get the conspirary behind it? Whats the issue with having services within 15 minutes?

Some are running with it being a plot to take away their cars and restrict them to living in isolated ghettos with facial recognition software alerting the government of their movements.

I quite like living within walking distance of the local shops personally.

 

[ParapMarkets]

News.com.au has had a bit about this, i dont get the conspirary behind it? Whats the issue with having services within 15 minutes?

I think having a look at the Oxford City Council’s plan to adopt this in 2024. It’s regarding restrictions on leaving your zone. Inevitably it would lead to more traffic and congestion if you ask me. This is a quick rundown of the Oxford plan.

 

[peetoo]

Crackpot traffic schemes in British cities? Been going on for decades

 

[ioppolo]

Part in parcel with minimising our carbon footprint. Carbon tracking will probably go hand in hand with this. At least we're in walking distance to our soylent greens.

 

[peetoo]

Cheaper to shop in the next city

 

[Shane Heard]

What if your local bakery or hairdresser is crap ?

This is why people travel around their cities to find better services and products.

It’s not hard to figure out

 

[peetoo]

Apparently over half of Melbourne high school students don’t attend the closest high school

Bakeries and hairdressers. You don’t attend them every day

 

[rank and file]

You will be happy and not go anywhere

Already got my t-shirt

"Been nowhere
Own FA
Not happy"

 

[peetoo]

Nazis invented developed some great things, but were horrible on balance

 

[owen87]

What if your local bakery or hairdresser is crap ?

This is why people travel around their cities to find better services and products.

It’s not hard to figure out

Believe it or not, the idea isn't that you live in a walled ghetto that you can't leave.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Wyndham City Council the latest to implement 15 min city and smart city

Connecting People and Places | Wyndham City

Wyndham City is calling for feedback from residents on a new plan that aims to create 20-minute neighbourhoods, with thriving economies where you can work, shop, study and play close to home.

www.wyndham.vic.gov.au

Smart City Strategy | Wyndham City

At the June 25, 2019 Ordinary Council Meeting Wyndham City Council adopted the Smart City Strategy 2019-2014 and Implementation Plan.

www.wyndham.vic.gov.au

 

[Mofra]

So it's basically a plan for more public transport and more amenities (as other plans have been).
Of course some have found a way to twist it into a conspiracy theory.

 

[peetoo]

It’s about the mass stupidity of so many people wasting hours commuting daily. And the lockdowns proved most of it unneccesary

 

[Chief]

I think having a look at the Oxford City Council’s plan to adopt this in 2024. It’s regarding restrictions on leaving your zone. Inevitably it would lead to more traffic and congestion if you ask me. This is a quick rundown of the Oxford plan.

There are no restrictions on leaving your zone.

None.

There are measures to restrict the movement of cars through some areas, at some times of day, boosting public transport or just walking. You can go anywhere. In Oxford I think you even get like 100 passes per year to drive directly between zones.

That Hopkins person is a professional troll.

This was Houston after cars were made the central focus of transport (1970s):

They bulldozed a functional city for THAT /\

Today it's still incredibly spread out and full of parking lots.

UK Tories with no real policy or plans to make life better for citizens, no real agenda to govern, are beating this up as a socialist conspiracy.



(This video highlights Marx's chapters on walkable cities.)

What is it?

"Designing urban environments so that most daily necessities and services - shops, school, work, health services - should be easily reachable within 15 minutes (walking or on a bike)."

That video also talks about the construction of freeways right through the middle of cities, often over the top of black neighbourhoods in the US.

I've linked Adam Something before:



And Not Just Bikes:



(This video mentions slip-lanes in urban areas - my son was nearly killed on one of those walking home from school. Block them off.)

The story goes thusly, based mainly on US experiences, but Australia does pretty much the same thing:

In the name of "efficiency" (hiding infrastructure costs) our governments are sold on these massive housing estates of McMansions. Ironically, these estates usually have the narrowest roads they are legally allowed so they can jam in more large residential plots with two-car garages.

These places are subsidised. The maintenance of roads, gas pipes, electricity, sewers, are far more expensive than the residents could ever pay in rates. The inner cities in most countries pay extra taxes to subsidise the big outer-suburban developments. The calculations given in one of the videos is $US30,000 per year per house in a big estate of detached houses.

The Question Every City Should Be Asking

Let’s #DoTheMath in Ramsey County, Minnesota.

www.strongtowns.org

Think about it - the big freeways, motorways etc are built by government to give access to the big housing estates. Taxpayers feed the profit of big developers.

Council rates on a building with a couple of shops and a few flats above are far higher than rates on a Mackers with a big car park.

New housing developments have built in high-emissions - cars are needed and there are higher costs for heating and cooling.

It's all down to government regs, zoning etc. Nobody is crying "socialist" about rules that mandate minimum car parking for commercial premises or zone for single-family detached housing.

Fixing it will rely on changing regulations.

Brisbane seems to be trying to reverse some of this. Major roads around schools and shops are getting 50 kph zones to slow stuff down. Public transport getting OK funding.

So yeah, shut up fundie capitalist outrage merchants.

Cities are for people. Not just cars.

 

[ParapMarkets]

There are no restrictions on leaving your zone.

None.

There are measures to restrict the movement of cars through some areas, at some times of day, boosting public transport or just walking. You can go anywhere. In Oxford I think you even get like 100 passes per year to drive directly between zones.

That Hopkins person is a professional troll.

This was Houston after cars were made the central focus of transport (1970s):

They bulldozed a functional city for THAT /\

Today it's still incredibly spread out and full of parking lots.

UK Tories with no real policy or plans to make life better for citizens, no real agenda to govern, are beating this up as a socialist conspiracy.



(This video highlights Marx's chapters on walkable cities.)

What is it?

"Designing urban environments so that most daily necessities and services - shops, school, work, health services - should be easily reachable within 15 minutes (walking or on a bike)."

That video also talks about the construction of freeways right through the middle of cities, often over the top of black neighbourhoods in the US.

I've linked Adam Something before:



And Not Just Bikes:



(This video mentions slip-lanes in urban areas - my son was nearly killed on one of those walking home from school. Block them off.)

The story goes thusly, based mainly on US experiences, but Australia does pretty much the same thing:

In the name of "efficiency" (hiding infrastructure costs) our governments are sold on these massive housing estates of McMansions. Ironically, these estates usually have the narrowest roads they are legally allowed so they can jam in more large residential plots with two-car garages.

These places are subsidised. The maintenance of roads, gas pipes, electricity, sewers, are far more expensive than the residents could ever pay in rates. The inner cities in most countries pay extra taxes to subsidise the big outer-suburban developments. The calculations given in one of the videos is $US30,000 per year per house in a big estate of detached houses.

The Question Every City Should Be Asking

Let’s #DoTheMath in Ramsey County, Minnesota.

www.strongtowns.org

So yeah, shut up fundie capitalist outrage merchants.

You make some valid points in your post, I’ll reply properly after I have the chance to watch the video you posted over the weekend.

But the above quote. The WEF are the driving force behind the whole SMART city/ 15 minute city. They are the Who’s who of capitalists. Are you trying to suggest that this is a movement for the people and it’s going to be capitalists that are standing in the way?

 

[Chief]

The WEF are the driving force behind the whole SMART city/ 15 minute city.

Really? How are they doing this?

 

[peetoo]

Our cpraoperty capitalist seemed to think we could build offices and workplaces higher in CBD and go further and further out for people’s homes.

They don’t get the leverage in Doncaster that they do in cbd. They will in future but they want their profits now

Covid lockdowns was the tide that went out on their schemes. Apartments build for investment priorities not people’s. Scumbags the lot of them

 

[jb40]

Wyndham City Council the latest to implement 15 min city and smart city

Connecting People and Places | Wyndham City

Wyndham City is calling for feedback from residents on a new plan that aims to create 20-minute neighbourhoods, with thriving economies where you can work, shop, study and play close to home.

www.wyndham.vic.gov.au

Smart City Strategy | Wyndham City

At the June 25, 2019 Ordinary Council Meeting Wyndham City Council adopted the Smart City Strategy 2019-2014 and Implementation Plan.

www.wyndham.vic.gov.au

the idea of developing 15/20 minute cities has been in the works for years. the original comes from the they had similar concepts in the Russian revolution and easrly days of the 50/60s in china
Great Leap Forward - Wikipedia

20-minute neighbourhoods

Learn how we are creating inclusive, vibrant and healthy neighbourhoods.

www.planning.vic.gov.au

 

[peetoo]

the idea of developing 15/20 minute cities has been in the works for years. the original comes from the they had similar concepts in the Russian revolution and easrly days of the 50/60s in china
Great Leap Forward - Wikipedia

20-minute neighbourhoods

Learn how we are creating inclusive, vibrant and healthy neighbourhoods.

www.planning.vic.gov.au

At least we have someone who understands the conspiracy in house

And Wyndham have been failing their incoming residents with services since the Westgate was built

 

[jb40]

At least we have someone who understands the conspiracy in house

And Wyndham have been failing their incoming residents with services since the Westgate was built

learn some history Russian bolshevik revolution and chin ease civil war and find that the conspiracy of the 15 minute city isnt a conspiracy. its just been renamed.

 

[Gralin]

Nazis invented developed some great things, but were horrible on balance

What?

 

[peetoo]

So the polar opposite to the 15/20 minute city concept is huge numbers of workers spending a quarter of the working seek in transit Which was getting longer and longer as cities sprawled further and further?

I’m sure those stuck in mega traffic jams felt they were exercising their freedom oh yeah



Bringing it back to Melbourne, building apartments designed for investment not actual people