The 1999 Joeys... The Lost Generation

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THE BEGINNING

The 1999 Joeys that travelled to the Youth World Cup in New Zealand were an enigma and arguably the greatest collection of Australian underage talent ever - including the superb groups of 1991 and 1992 that came so close to glory on the Iberian peninsula.

In what proved to be perennial failure Les Scheinflug's last games as a coach/manager in Australian national team setups, the young Aussies stunned the world to defeat more highly fancied opponents before succumbing to Brazil in the final on penalties. The samba boys were later found to be guilty of fielding a few overage players throughout the tournament, but FIFA responded with no more than a slap on the wrist and the cup stayed in South America.

THE SQUAD

KEDWELL-VAN STRATTEN, Jess. (19-07-1982) Goalkeeper Northern Spirit (Australia)
MILOSEVIC, Matthew. (29-10-1982) Goalkeeper SASI (Australia)
BYRNES, Mark. (08-02-1982) Defender Parramatta Power (Australia)
CANSDELL-SHERRIFF, Shane. (10-11-1982) Defender Leeds United (UK)
FYFE, Iain. (03-04-1982) Defender SASI (Australia)
GOULDING, Aaron. (29-04-1982) Defender SASI (Australia)
LOCKHART, Shane. (26-09-1982) Defender NSWIS (Australia)
MADASCHI, Adrian. (11-07-1982) Defender Atalanta Bergamo (Italy)
DOUMANIS, Anthony. (01-02-1982) Midfielder NSWIS (Australia)
GROVES, Bradley. (29-01-1982) Midfielder Leeds United (UK)
JOHNSON, James. (21-05-1982) Midfielder QAS (Australia)
NORTH, Jade. (07-01-1982) Midfielder AIS/Brisbane Strikers (Australia)
PANTELIS, Lucas. (12-03-1982) Midfielder AIS (Australia)
SRHOJ, Wayne. (23-03-1982) Midfielder AIS/Brisbane Strikers (Australia)
BRAIN, Louis. (09-05-1982) Striker Adelaide Force (Australia)
DI IORIO, Joseph. (08-04-1982) Striker Werder Bremen (Germany)
KENNEDY, Joshua. (20-08-1982) Striker AIS/Carlton (Australia)
MacALLISTER, Dylan. (17-05-1982) Striker Sydney Olympic (Australia)
McDONALD, Scott. (21-08-1983) Striker VIS (Australia)

THE GROUP PHASE

Brazil 2 - 1 Australia
Played: November 12
Venue: Christchurch, New Zealand

Brazil
Rubinho, Marquinhos, Ricardo, Eduardo, Anderson, Leo, Walker, Souze, Caca, Leandro (Wellington 92), Carlos Henrique
Goals : Marquinhos 31, Ricardo 64

Australia
Jess Kedwell-van Stratten, Shane Cansdell-Sherriff, Aaron Goulding, Adrian Madaschi, Mark Byrnes, Jade North, Louis Brain, Joe di Iorio, Scott McDonald (Joshua Kennedy 65), Bradley Groves (Dylan Macallister 59), Wayne Srhoj
Goal : Macallister 78
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Germany 1 - 2 Australia
Played: November 14
Venue: Christchurch, New Zealand

Germany
Jan Schlosser (Dennis Eilhoff 43), Florian Thorwart, Hannes Wilking, Florian Kringe (Daniel Niemann 74), Thomas Hitzlsperger, Florian Heller, Andreas Hinkel, Leonhard Haas, Michael Fink, Stefan Beckert, Andreas Gorlitz (Markus Feulner 35)
Goal : Haas 9

Australia
Jess Kedwell-van Stratten, Shane Cansdell-Sheriff, Aaron Goulding, Adrian Madaschi, Mark Byrnes, Jade North (Iain Fyfe 93), Louis Brain, Joe di Iorio (Lucas Pantelis 46 (Joshua Kennedy 82), Scott McDonald, Wayne Srhoj, Dylan Macallister
Goals : Hitzlsperger 65og, Byrnes 70
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Mali 0 - 1 Australia
Played: November 17
Venue: Christchurch, New Zealand

Mali
Cheick Oumar Bathily, Mintou Doucoure, Ousmane Diakite, Dalla Mane Diallo, Amadou Diallo, Djibril Sidibe, Idrissa Kone, Mohamed Sidibe (Mamadou Diallo 73), Mamadou Diawara, Koly Kante (Abdoul Traore 73), Souleymane Diamoutene

Australia
Jess Kedwell-van Stratten, Shane Cansdell-Sherriff, Aaron Goulding, Adrian Madaschi, Mark Byrnes, Jade North, Louis Brain, Scott McDonald, Bradley Groves (Joe di Iorio 66 (Iain Fyfe 86)), Wayne Srhoj, Dylan Macallister
Goal : McDonald 23
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THE KNOCKOUT PHASE

Qatar 0 - 1 Australia
Played: November 21
Venue: Christchurch, New Zealand

Qatar
Salman Al Ansari, Abdullah Al Asseiri, Essa Al Kuwari, Fawaz, Meshal, Mohamed Yasser, Waleed, Hussain, Seydna Ali, Ibrahim Al Ghanim (Ibrahim Al Romaihi 65), Bilal (Eissa Gholom 90)

Australia
Jess Kedwell-van Stratten, Aaron Goulding, Adrian Madaschi, Mark Byrnes, Jade North, Louis Brain, Lucas Pantelis, Scott McDonald (Joshua Kennedy 82), Bradley Groves (Joseph di Iorio 46), Wayne Srhoj, Dylan Macallister
Goal : di Iorio 55
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United States 2 asdet - 2 asdet Australia*
Played: November 24
Venue: Christchurch, New Zealand

United States
DJ Countess, Da Marcus Beasley, Nelson Akwari, Alex Vi, Kenny Cutler, Bryan Jackson (Adolfo Gregorio 105), Landon Donovan, Oguchi Onyewu, Kyle Beckerman (Abe Thompson 78), Jordan Cila (Bobby Convey 105), Seth Trembly (sent off 115)
Goals : Donovan 36, Onyewu 52
Penalties : Donovan, Beasley (saved), Convey, Akwari, Thompson, Gregorio, Yi, Cutler (miss)

Australia
Jess Kedwell-van Stratten, Shane Cansdell-Sherriff, Aaron Goulding, Adrian Madaschi, Mark Byrnes, Jade North, Louis Brain, Lucas Pantelis (Joe Di Iorio 46), Scott McDonald (Joshua Kennedy 69), Wayne Srhoj, Dylan Macallister
Goals : Goulding 3, McDonald 35
Penalties : Byrnes, Di Iorio, Cansdell-Sherriff, Srhoj (saved), North, Macallister, Goulding, Kennedy
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THE FINAL

*Brazil 0 asdet - 0 asdet Australia
Played: November 27
Venue: North Harbour Stadium, Auckland, New Zealand

Brazil
Rubinho, Bruno Leite, Marquinhos, Ricardo, Eduardo, Anderson, Leo, Walker, Caca (Wellington 75), Leonardo, Adriano (Souza 61)
Penalties : Leonardo, Marquinhos (saved), Eduardo, Walker, Ricardo, Leo, Bruno, Souza, Wellington

Australia
Jess Kedwell-van Stratten, Shane Cansdell-Sherriff (Iain Fyfe 93), Aaron Goulding, Adrian Madaschi, Mark Byrnes, Jade North, Louis Brain, Lucas Pantelis (Joe Di Iorio 55), Scott McDonald (Joshua Kennedy 99), Wayne Srhoj, Dylan Macallister
Penalties : Byrnes (miss), Di Iorio, Srhoj, Madaschi, North, Macallister, Goulding, Kennedy, Fyfe (saved)
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THE AFTERMATH

After coming so heartbreakingly close to Australia's first ever football world title the message seemed crystal clear. This crop of players were destined for great things and looked set to not only follow in the footsteps of Bosnich, Zelic, Okon, Kewell and Viduka, but maybe even surpass them in terms of talent and impact on the world stage.

Van Stratten emerged as the heir-apparent to Bosnich and transferred to Serie A powerhouse Juventus. Adrian Madaschi was widely acclaimed as the most talented centrehalf of the entire championships and a first team berth for his Serie A club Atalanta seemed inevitable. Cansdell-Sherriff was already highly-rated at Leeds and was tipped for big things. McDonald, Di Iorio and Kennedy all looked forward to suiting up for Southampton, Werder Bremen and Wolfsburg respectively. To put it bluntly - every kid in the squad had potential with a capital P and were already well on the way to fulfilling it.

FOUR YEARS ON... THE REALITY

Fast forward four years to 2003 and what a bitter disappointment this crop has proven to be. Not one player has secured a first team spot with a top-flight club in any of Europe's big leagues. Some remained in Australia, some have come home, some have carved a niche at smaller clubs in Europe's second-tier leagues and others have become journeymen with doors shutting in their face and limited opportunities at every turn.

Of those that participated in that ill-fated final against the Brazilians:

*Van Stratten - Has since moved to Verona, yet to break into the first team.
*Cansdell-Sherriff - After being rated one of the hottest young talents in England two seasons ago, Shane has since been ravaged with injury and poor form... is now playing his trade with Aarhus in Denmark.
*Goulding - Remained at Adelaide City.
*Madaschi - After failing to break into the Atalanta first team for a few seasons he moved to Monza in Italy's lower divisions before being released. Is now a free agent trialling with lower division clubs across Britain.
*Byrnes - Perhaps the one with the most still to offer. Had a short-lived stint in Serie B before returning to the NSL.
*North - Still plying his trade in the NSL.
*Brain - See North.
*Pantelis - See North.
*McDonald - Failed to break into the first team at Southampton and was recently released. After a couple of failed trials he has landed a rolling (monthly) contract with English First Division club Wimbledon.
*Srhoj - See North.
*Macallister - See North.
*Fyfe - See North
*Di Iorio - Spent more seasons with Bremen before being released. Whereabouts unknown.
*Kennedy - Had achieved the most of the entire crop so far. At the time of Australia's world cup qualifiers with Uruguay, young Joshua was scoring the odd Bundesliga goal for Wolfsburg. Has since been transferred to a club in the German lower leagues.

How will this lack of individual player development hurt the national team and the game here as a whole? A quick glance at the Socceroo squad that assembled to face Ireland the other week sees many players nearing or the wrong side of 30. In fact, the likes of Okon, Kalac, Tiatto, Schwarzer, Vidmar, Muscat, Skoko and Lazaridis will be on their last legs by the time of the qualifiers for the next World Cup in 2006.

Indeed only one thing is for certain - When national team manager Frank Farina goes looking for young talent to replace these aging Socceroos, not one member of that golden Joeys squad of 1999 will be qualified to raise their hand.

The 1999 Joeys truly are the lost generation.






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Sources:

Soccer Australia Official Site - http://www.socceraustralia.com.au/

The World Game - http://www1.sbs.com.au/home/

Thomas' Australian Soccer Page - http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/AusSoc.html
 

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Great post Dyertribe!

Although noone from the 99 side has broken thru yet I wouldn't give up on them all too quickly. Goalkeepers are always late developers and Van Stratton could yet become something. A couple of the guys who have stayed in Australia could also make something of themselves.

One of the problems is that too many of these guys have travelled overseas before they were ready. The National league has always been a good grounding for a lot of players who have ended up doing very well.

The 90 and 92 teams were full of players playing regularly in the National League, they didn't make the move to Europe untill they had played quite a few seasons here first.

Another thing to note from your post is that even though these guys are the best 18 year olds doesn't mean they end up being the best players. Looking through the other countries sides not too many are household names yet either. (the US probably have the most to have progressed) A lot of our 90 and 92 squad went on to achieve nothing as well.
 

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I think four years is more than enough time to develop into a quality player, these guys are just hacks that had a good tournament. :eek:
 

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I'm not sure the u/17's are such a good indicator.

African teams dominated the competition early,
but could not turn it into senior success.

And a look at the Rising stars from each tournament on the FIFA website reveals a lot of careers have slipped by the wayside.

Do England enter the tournament? They are yet to feature in a finals.
 

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Good stuff, Dyertribe.

I think there is hope for a few of the kids. Jess Van Stratten was a revelation during that tournament, and the Serie A is perhaps the hardest league of all for keepers. I'd dare say we haven't seen the last of him. Jade North, Mark Byrnes and Louis Brain all have the potential to go from the NSL to Europe, especially North. Kennedy could go on from Wolfsburg, and has probably been the best of the lot so far.

But yes, it does seem to be the lost generation. The current Joeys aren't much chop, so the future of the Socceroos might be in trouble. For all the talk of soccer taking over AFL, the proof isn't in the pudding just yet.

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Originally posted by Boro
Great post Dyertribe!
Agreed, hard to fathom really. To be honest I've never heard of any of those blokes:eek: .

On the previous squads only Paul Agostino has kicked on from memory. Saw a bit of him in the tournament played in Italy (92?) & was impressed at the time & still am.

Not sure who was part of those previous squads but i'd reckon the sucess rate would be low.

David Seal was a gun youngster I thought, last I heard he was at Bristol City :eek:
 

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Cheers for your responses lads...

It is a little upsetting as the Joeys, Young Socceroos, Olyroos system is really the only path many of our youngsters have for developing into top players - Harry Kewell aside. It goes without saying we don't have the depth that other nations do - so when 19 highly-rated youngsters all fade from view the long term headaches begin for the national team down the track... not to mention all that blown AIS scholarship money.

This invisible wall that many of our players hit just as they are expected to turn into the finished article is inexplicable. While there is an argument for the "Italian/English/Dutch coach reluctant to pick the Aussie" syndrome that has affected Aussies Abroad since time began, it seems that we'd be drawing a long bow to suggest this was the case for the entire group listed above.

Hmmm.
 

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I don't think there is cause to panic yet.

Brett Emerton was 21-22 when he moved to Holland, Mark Viduka was 20 when he went to Croatia, Mark Schwarzer was 22 when he went to Germany, Marco Bresciano was 22 when he went to Italy.

All these kids are at the age they should be looking to move in the next year or two if they want to follow the say path as most of the current Socceroos.

Generally any junior team will only produce 2 or 3 players. 3 players a year for 10 years represents 30 players in a senior Socceroo squad.

Madaschi is the surprise, he looked so polished.

Van-Stratton was 2nd choice going into the tournament but was awesome. So tough making it as a goalkeeper, hard to find somewhere where you can actually get on the field.
 

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OK, so its very interesting some of the post that i have been reading about the 1999 joeys Australian u/17 team.

Did anyone ever wonder where this talent actually originated from??? Im sure a few of the lost generation as in the likes of Dylan MacALLISTER, shane cadsell sherriff, Anthony Doumanis, and shane lockhart would know where it all did. It actually originated from the New south wales academy of sport when these players were all around the age of 11 under the certian coaching staff such as oscar gonzales, david lee, trevor morgan and paul ivers. These were the men responsible that actually helped these players develop at a very young age.

I certianly believe that they are Australias lost generation and should have made it to bigger and better places in the soccer world. Another point to add in is these players were of tremendous talent and what they achieved is remarkable in the history of Australian soccer.

Truth is there was an even greater pool of talent to choose from amongst that generation, and believe it or not the lost generation never even took the field that day except those mentioned earlier. Anthony Doumanis who did not get on the field in the final against brazil would have been a contender for probably the greatest u/17 player in the world along side a few others who were not even apart of the u/17 team, such as Matthew thompson, Nathaniel george, eric anabalon, ismael arrate, daniel sevarino, george norha, luciano burgess, Nick carle (1 year to old) but who stopped the brazilians from cheating anyway, and one more very gifted player who was the most outstanding along side anthony doumanis, his name is nelson mclaughlin.

Most of these players had something in common, they originated from the NSW academy of sport under oscar, david, paul and trevor. These players all shared titles between them from their youth days which was arguably the strongest comp in the world at the time. the majority of them played for mcathur rams (matthew thompson and shane cadsell sheriff) who won the superleague grand final in the under 13s against parramatta eagles where parramatta won the superleague comp in the under 13s. under 14 super league, sydney olympics anthony doumanis, dylan mcallister, david anderson were the dominant team winning the treble edging out blacktown demons that year, TREBLE BEING , superleague minor premiers, superleague premiers and state title champions.

Under 15, Nelson Mclaughlin and ismael arrates blacktown city demons were the dominant force taking out the superleagues minor premier ship and premiership in style only to be edged out by daniel sevarinos marconi stallions down in albury on for and against.

then parramatta eagles pretty much took out the treble in the under 16s as it was expected because the like of blacktown and sydney olympic players had moved on. again, where did this all originate from, it originated from the king masterminds themselves, the orchestrators who aided all these players in their developement, david lee, oscar gonzalez, paul ivers and trevor morgan.

so questions arise about how, where and why, if anyone bothers to read these facts then id actuall bother to answer them.
 

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OK, so its very interesting some of the post that i have been reading about the 1999 joeys Australian u/17 team. Did anyone ever wonder where this talent actually originated from??? Im sure a few of the lost generation as in the likes of Dylan MacALLISTER, shane cadsell sherriff, Anthony Doumanis, and shane lockhart would know where it all did. It actually originated from the New south wales academy of sport when these players were all around the age of 11 under the certian coaching staff such as oscar gonzales, david lee, trevor morgan and paul ivers. These were the men responsible that actually helped these players develop at a very young age. I certianly believe that they are Australias lost generation and should have made it to bigger and better places in the soccer world. Another point to add in is these players were of tremendous talent and what they achieved is remarkable in the history of Australian soccer. Truth is there was an even greater pool of talent to choose from amongst that generation, and believe it or not the lost generation never even took the field that day except those mentioned earlier. Anthony Doumanis who did not get on the field in the final against brazil would have been a contender for probably the greatest u/17 player in the world along side a few others who were not even apart of the u/17 team, such as Matthew thompson, Nathaniel george, eric anabalon, ismael arrate, daniel sevarino, george norha, luciano burgess, Nick carle (1 year to old) but who stopped the brazilians from cheating anyway, and one more very gifted player who was the most outstanding along side anthony doumanis, his name is nelson mclaughlin. Most of these players had something in common, they originated from the NSW academy of sport under oscar, david, paul and trevor. These players all shared titles between them from their youth days which was arguably the strongest comp in the world at the time. the majority of them played for mcathur rams (matthew thompson and shane cadsell sheriff) who won the superleague grand final in the under 13s against parramatta eagles where parramatta won the superleague comp in the under 13s. under 14 super league, sydney olympics anthony doumanis, dylan mcallister, david anderson were the dominant team winning the treble edging out blacktown demons that year, TREBLE BEING , superleague minor premiers, superleague premiers and state title champions. Under 15, Nelson Mclaughlin and ismael arrates blacktown city demons were the dominant force taking out the superleagues minor premier ship and premiership in style only to be edged out by daniel sevarinos marconi stallions down in albury on for and against. then parramatta eagles pretty much took out the treble in the under 16s as it was expected because the like of blacktown and sydney olympic players had moved on. again, where did this all originate from, it originated from the king masterminds themselves, the orchestrators who aided all these players in their developement, david lee, oscar gonzalez, paul ivers and trevor morgan. so questions arise about how, where and why, if anyone bothers to read these facts then id actuall bother to answer them.
Maybe if you structured your para a bit better, you'd get more bites.

So let me see if I get your point. You're essentially saying that we should take heed from the lessons of the past and ensure our current youth have the adequate personnel available to fully develop their talents?
 

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I always enjoy retrospective, almost nostalgic threads like this.

It's always possible that these guys fluked something huge. I never saw the squad play together, so I'm probably not a great source on the matter.

They've all carved out sub-par careers. Scott McDonald's made a decent name for himself. And I believe Josh Kennedy could be a great footballer if he was more consistent.

From now on, we hopefully won't have 'golden generations'. It'll just be a constant conveyor belt of talented kids – hopefully.
 

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As a not so interesting tidbit of info on this squad, James johnstone is now a lawyer who works for FIFA the last time I heard..I think he was on the Qatari guy who got banned payroll...
 

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Cansdell-Sherriff hasn't had a single Aussie cap, has he? I've always thought he's been a good honest centre back in the UK. Been at Shrewsbury for nearly four years now
 

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Cansdell-Sherriff hasn't had a single Aussie cap, has he? I've always thought he's been a good honest centre back in the UK. Been at Shrewsbury for nearly four years now
A lot of those blokes have never played for Australia.

Some guy in that squad, I forget the name, has been playing VPL for ten years.
 

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A-League careers or lowly European careers in England's 3rd tier or a backwater league like Denmark.

I remember being on SBS's TWG forum back in the day. There was so much excitement about squad. We thought Candsell-Sherrif, North, Madaschi and Van Stratten were going to be world beaters.

To look at that squad in it's entirety though, it's just a pile of football garbage. Kennedy and Macdonald are the only exceptions - Kennedy because of what he did for the Socceroos, and Macdonald for what he did as a medium-to-large sized fish in a small pond at Celtic.

edit: That said, I don't think we can blame our development. Or not entirely anyway.

You only have to look at more recent examples of guys who went overseas as soon as they had an offer. Too much ambition, not enough patience.

Look at recent Victory guys like Pasquali (who can't get a game for Western United) or Theohaurus (who can't get a game for Monchengladbach's reserves.) I don't remember who said it, but I remember it being said that these guys shouldn't be going overseas when one club offers - they should be going when 10 clubs offer.

You can't even quantify how many players we lose because they have all this ambition, because we never hear of them again.
 
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When I saw Madaschi in that tournament, it was like we had our own Franco Bereisi jnr. Just never eventuated. I think out of all the talent over the years, his was the most confusing why he never kicked on.
 

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what's happened to Jess Van Stratten's wikipedia? he was at Juve for like eight years wasnt he but I don't even think he made a league debut.

Madaschi must have been some moron though.

left Atalanta for Partick Thistle who were already relegated. at age 21.

it was a class time for the Serie A and they were midtable but surely you scope out a Serie B loan? the Old Firm were pretty good sides but Partick Thistle are not the fu**in old firm. jesus.
 

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