Mega Thread The 2015 Buckley coaching megathread

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Why would he make a good player developer?

The knock on Buckley from day one when he stepped inside Victoria Park was his ability to deal with players who don't live for football like him.

The proof in the Puddin has seen a number of players traded who unwind from AFL and don't totally love for football because Buckley can't relate to them.
Your last sentence is embarrassing.
 

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What if Buckley has contributed to the soft tissue epidemic?
My god what next If we have bad weather, or a bus strike or whatever Lets blame Buckley. The poor bloke has had an abysmal run with injuries can we please see how the year pans out and then make logical and informed comments. I promised myself not to look at this thread, unfortunately I did
 

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My god what next If we have bad weather, or a bus strike or whatever Lets blame Buckley.
If it keeps on occurring, it's not luck.

The coach & the sports science head form a crucial relationship in terms of conditioning. A Collingwood board member recently said there were major failings in this area from 2012 to 2014.
 

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I agree that our list is sub-par but surely a coach in his fourth year at the helm and largely responsible for our current direction should be held accountable for this???
Our list is not sub-par. We have an exciting list of young players who need experience. It is going to take this year and next for us to be a chance of playing finals. The only real question is who should coach beyond this season.
 

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Do you work at the club to have this knowledge or is this just an assumption?
Its not an assumption mate he has been at the club for 4 years! Even as a players he was yes a champion but also an individuall.He was not a players player. Even Malthouse put him threw leadership courses becouse hevwas not seen as a natural captain/leader.
Maybe if you take your blinkers off you will see it yourself.
I Know of at least 5 ex premieship players who dont rate him as a coach. Through people who sponsir Collingwood and one ex players wife. Believe me mate i am not spinning shit! I wish for our clubs sake i was. I Wonder what the other 17 ex premieship players think of him?
 

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Its not an assumption mate he has been at the club for 4 years! Even as a players he was yes a champion but also an individuall.He was not a players player. Even Malthouse put him threw leadership courses becouse hevwas not seen as a natural captain/leader.
Maybe if you take your blinkers off you will see it yourself.
I Know of at least 5 ex premieship players who dont rate him as a coach. Through people who sponsir Collingwood and one ex players wife. Believe me mate i am not spinning shit! I wish for our clubs sake i was. I Wonder what the other 17 ex premieship players think of him?
I call bullsh$t.
 

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Our list is not sub-par. We have an exciting list of young players who need experience. It is going to take this year and next for us to be a chance of playing finals. The only real question is who should coach beyond this season.
The sub par comment was in reference to our deplorable skills apparently being the reason we can't blame Bucks' game plan.
How exciting our youngsters are is open for the debate and is a matter of opinion but on the whole our current side has a shocking disposal and that's a fact.
And Bucks in his fourth year can not be absolved of the blame for this situation.
I'm aware that we have a couple of good users of the pill yet to come through but they won't change the make up of the side all that much.
 

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The sub par comment was in reference to our deplorable skills apparently being the reason we can't blame Bucks' game plan.
How exciting our youngsters are is open for the debate and is a matter of opinion but on the whole our current side has a shocking disposal and that's a fact.
And Bucks in his fourth year can not be absolved of the blame for this situation.
I'm aware that we have a couple of good users of the pill yet to come through but they won't change the make up of the side all that much.
Our ball use is incredibly frustrating and clearly we have too many plodders in the current team. Bucks deserves to be held to account for our performance but I am going to hold off until the end of the year. I feel that we will see some encouraging signs as the year unfolds. If it is clear then that Bucks cannot take this team forward then I am open to a change.
 

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When discussing this issue and what might be considered a pass mark this year it's important to remember that we finished with 11 wins last year with a more difficult draw than what we face this season.

This years draw is our most soft for quite some time.

On the flip side we lost Beams to Brisbane, Ball and Maxwell retired whilst we traded O'Brien.

We did gain Greenwood, though he'll now miss half a season and also added Varcoe and Crisp but our list would still be slightly younger than
last year you'd figure.

On the bright side you'd hope players in there 3rd and 4th seasons on the list would be able to start influencing games more consistently than they previously could and we still have 4 top 10 picks yet to make there mark.

On a negative note we look likely to lose two fringe 22 and depth players in Thomas and Keeffe.

Keeffe will be the bigger loss and might force us to use Moore in defence if injury strikes.

So where does this leave us in trying to figure out what this list is capable of this season and what would be considered a pass mark for the coach?

Hard to say only two games in and the injuries to Greenwood and Sidebottom have put a significant dent in our midfield strength in the short term.

I think our best hope for club and coach is that we have a reversal of our season from last year and finish off the season strongly and hopefully snare a couple of scalps of sides finals bound and look to be on the improve for all to see.

Right now a pass mark would be 10 wins or above, a fail bottom 4 and anything in between no man's land with question marks still hanging around the coach but he's likely to survive.
 

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You bring up some good points mate , however he has to take responsability in rebuiding a team in 2012 that had at least 3 years left in its premieship window. He is in charge he is the coach! He has to take responsability.With our current list he should at least be putting games in our 2nd and 3rd year players ie Broomhead Grundy Witts Kennendy Marsh Freeman and Sharanberg when he comes back. Tell the youngsters in that age bracket you will play 7 or 8 games in a row and you wont be dropoed.
Even x factors like Fassolo and Karnezis . Everyone is calling for Fassolo to get the chop this week.For once show faith in him How many times do you you hear from retired champions the game is 90 persent mental. How many times has Fassolo been dropped after 2 or 3 games due to poor form? Give him 7
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Buckley, Walsh, Hine and co sat down at the end of 2012 and asked the question, Will the current side win a flag? The answer was No. We've lauded Walsh for so many years, lamented his move back to North and yet we attribute nothing of the rebuild to him? I'm not absolving Buckley of any responsibility but it has to be shared. The Buck will stop with him, that's sport. Let's not forget that Walsh gave Wellers a whack on the way out too.

As for the rest of your post, I agree but it has to be sold to the members and those in here who want Buckley gone. In the end, they'll look at another season without finals and won't be happy. I'd have to know a little more about Fasolos attitude off the field before I agree with your point but it is a point with merit. Karnezis needs a crack at it and for more than 7 games. I'd just play him, nothing to lose.
 

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Buckley seems to treat all the players the same way, like robots.
Players are individuals what works for Grundy may not work for Fasdolo? For example.
Greats like Sheedy even Malthouse at Collingwood and even recently Clarkson are all great exponents in delivering messages treating players like individuals, yet getting the players to play as one! Beating in the beat of the same drum.
We don't really know this. I believe that Leading Teams embraces individuality and what these individuals can bring to the group. Can't see Buckley adopting a program that would do such a thing but still treat everyone the same. He's on record saying that he allows Swan a bit more latitude.
 

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They had a hangover, then finished 7th in 2010 and defeated in a prelim in 2011.

We had a hangover in 1991, missed the 8, then finished equal top in 92 and got knocked out of finals against saints. 3rd vs 6th. Still pisses me off how we never got a double chance.

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Plenty of injuries in 09 for the Hawks.
 

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I've only read a couple of posts in this thread because its not my cup of tea, but when people say "We haven't recruited well and thats the reason why our kicking skills are so poor". What do they mean?

Apart from Taylor Adams, who does enough on the inside to make up for it, and Jack Frost who have we recruited with exceptionally poor foot skills? Players like Broomhead, Kennedy, Freeman, Sharenberg, De Goey, Karnezis, Varcoe, Greenwood, Crisp, Dwyer, Young, Oxley, Langdon all have good-elite footskills. The players that are letting us down are Williams, Toovey, Brown, Sinclair and Swan so I fail to see how recruiting has been the problem?
 
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The sub par comment was in reference to our deplorable skills apparently being the reason we can't blame Bucks' game plan.
How exciting our youngsters are is open for the debate and is a matter of opinion but on the whole our current side has a shocking disposal and that's a fact.
And Bucks in his fourth year can not be absolved of the blame for this situation.
I'm aware that we have a couple of good users of the pill yet to come through but they won't change the make up of the side all that much.
If Buckley wasn't coach this year and we had the coach of your choice, where do you think we would/should finish? Just want an assessment on the list and what you would deem acceptable this year. And yes I'm aware that Buckley has played a major part in "building" this current list, however, that is another topic.
 

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If Buckley wasn't coach this year and we had the coach of your choice, where do you think we would/should finish? Just want an assessment on the list and what you would deem acceptable this year. And yes I'm aware that Buckley has played a major part in "building" this current list, however, that is another topic.
He won't give it.
Typical of the many gutless cowards who pot the coach and come out with the 'told you so' after a loss.

At least it's not 'told you so, wish we still had Mick' anymore.
 
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They had a hangover, then finished 7th in 2010 and defeated in a prelim in 2011.

We had a hangover in 1991, missed the 8, then finished equal top in 92 and got knocked out of finals against saints. 3rd vs 6th. Still pisses me off how we never got a double chance.

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It breaks my heart when I think back to that season I remember it like yesterday.Saints had the week off before the finals(days of the bye) and came in fresh as daisies I think we lost by 8 pts most of the players were crying I was too.I think if we could have got through that game we could of won the lot I am sure.

We were on top nearly all the 2nd part of that year and the team won all their close matches,Scored 7pts in the final minute to beat the Eagles in perth.I remember the Barcalona olympics were on and we lost to both Fitzroy and Melbourne we still finished equal top and got shot out without another chance bloody devastating.
 

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I think our best hope for club and coach is that we have a reversal of our season from last year and finish off the season strongly and hopefully snare a couple of scalps of sides finals bound and look to be on the improve for all to see.

Right now a pass mark would be 10 wins or above, a fail bottom 4 and anything in between no man's land with question marks still hanging around the coach but he's likely to survive.
Yep, I'm sure the majority of posters are thinking along these lines. Well, the sensible ones anyway.

Can't see what benefit sacking him now would achieve. Unless Clarkson is ready to step into his place.
 
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