Mega Thread The 2015 Buckley coaching megathread

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Im not doing your homework for u. Dont even know what your getting at. Your posts are making about as much sense as your avatars playing ability. NONE
I've just looked it up. 6.

We have 8 potential best 22 premiership players still left from 2010 from my count (I think- I'm on an iPhone).

It's not unreasonable to suggest that 2 may leave next year. It's also not unreasonable to suggest that none may leave. In the same time period (6 years).

So are you going to ride Clarko on gutting Hawks' 08 list?

No. Because it doesn't suit your agenda.

You're an absolute moron if you can't see the argument here and beyond help.
 

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Perhaps these mates with bonds should have made a pact to make the best of what they thought was a shit situation rather than contribute to it.
Who told Heater to pull his head in?
Reckon any of Daisy's mates begged him to stay to keep the team together?
Anyone tell Dids shut his mouth?
selfish but unselfish = conflicted.
Yeh well we cant all act like sheep. Its called having a personality, an opinion.
 

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I've just looked it up. 6.

We have 8 potential best 22 premiership players from 2010 from my count.

It's not unreasonable to suggest that 2 may leave next year. It's also not unreasonable to suggest that none may leave. In the same time period.

So are you going to ride Clarkondor gutting Hawks' 08 list?

No. Because it doesn't suit your agenda.

You're an absolute moron if you can't see the argument here and beyond help.
Firstly, cant compare clarkson and buckley. Miles apart in coaching ability.

Secondly, what was the core groups age? Bet you ours were a lot younger.
Pendlebury, thomas, sidebottom, beams, dawes, brown, reid, cloke, lumumba, shaw.
All under 24, and im not even including a few of the others like blair , mccaffer etc

Anyway, over talking about it, once again.
 

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U gut a side, u make changes that cause discontent. U hav a coach who cant get the best out of his players.
How u cant see that staggers me

As i said, u can hav your opinion, i will hav mine.
The side hasn't been gutted by Buckley. We have lost more players that matter due to old age than we have to trading. The decline and eventually exit of Jolly, Didak, Johnson, Brown, Maxwell, and Ball is what has largely gutted our list. The only A graders we have lost on top of those are Shaw and Thomas. We had no real say over Thomas and we have been well compensated for both.

The list was in decline by the end of 2012 largely due to the age profile. We could have put our head in the sand and try to hang on to the list with minor changes. That would have made the decline slower, but any rebound would take much longer. We have been aggressive in transforming our list and I for one are thankful for that. I know it will be difficult in the short term, but I would rather that than not having the young talent we now have on the list.
 

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Yep, I'm sure the majority of posters are thinking along these lines. Well, the sensible ones anyway.

Can't see what benefit sacking him now would achieve. Unless Clarkson is ready to step into his place.
So we dropped off by 5% after a premiership year in a year that we were playing our best season ever?
Doesn't that kill your argument?

I would have thought the draw and introduction of GC abd GWS may have also had a little something to say too.

At any rate, we are one of the highest attending clubs in the world. Even with a few years on the bottom, we'd still have higher numbers than many other clubs.

We are in no danger of playing on a regular basis in half-full stadiums. We will never have to worry about money.

Suggesting Buckley should go because of this is some of the biggest horseshit I have read here for a while. And I'm pretty sure that he personally inspired many hundreds of thousands of supporters to go to the footy himself as a player. WTF else did we have in the 90s?
Get your facts right rather than fabricating a suggestion .5% drop off ? Performance decline was mentioned first and there are many variables associated with this and yes half empty stadiums .Fact numbers are on the decline and really GC and GWS have nominal affect. I actually want him to coach to the end of the year with a review and see what happens from there. Hopefully he can turn it around sure Champion player but doesn't mean he can coach .
 

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Buckley inherited a list that contained.

- Pendlebury at 24. Dual AA.
- Swan at 27. Dual AA.
- Reid at 23. AA in 2011.
- Cloke at 25. AA in 2011, 69 goals & smashed the record for contested marks.
- The likes of Heath Shaw, Dayne Beams, Sidebottom, Harry (AA in 2010), Dawes, Nathan Brown, Wellingham & the like in their sweet spot in terms of age demographic to challenge.

There is no excuse for him taking the club to where it is now.
 
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The side hasn't been gutted by Buckley. We have lost more players that matter due to old age than we have to trading. The decline and eventually exit of Jolly, Didak, Johnson, Brown, Maxwell, and Ball is what has largely gutted our list. The only A graders we have lost on top of those are Shaw and Thomas. We had no real say over Thomas and we have been well compensated for both.

The list was in decline by the end of 2012 largely due to the age profile. We could have put our head in the sand and try to hang on to the list with minor changes. That would have made the decline slower, but any rebound would take much longer. We have been aggressive in transforming our list and I for one are thankful for that. I know it will be difficult in the short term, but I would rather that than not having the young talent we now have on the list.
This post nails it :thumbsu:
I can't like this post enough - literally because I have no like privileges (I'm the original lurking liker)
 

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I'm fully aware that flags aren't that easy to come by especially for us but I've always said it will be a travesty if the '10/11 list only wins one.
We went from having the best home and away season in Club's history with the young list to not making the finals and being the laughing stock in 2 years time. And look miles away from being competitive with the top sides now. I doubt we will be making the finals next year either.
Thanks to the direction we took the likes of Swan, Cloke and possibly even Pendles will not feature in our next successful period, if that's not a disaster I don't know what is.
It will indeed be a shame. No one is arguing against that.
But let's get real:
- A strong argument can be mounted that Malthouse rooted us in 2011. At any rate he's done nothing to siggest keeping him would have been the right thing to do.
- We gave it a good crack in 2012. A few things went against us but we were close
- With our retirements in 11&12 the decision was made to reload to have another crack in a few years of a mini-rebuild. People knew this at the time.
- We were never going to win the flag this year. Most recognised this at the end of 2012.
- From this point we were aiming for another crack in 2015&6, with Pendles and Cloke still about (& Beams we imagined)
- If we're shit next year then fine, Bucks isn't the man & we'll move him on with hopefully still a pretty good list (since we loaded up on top-ten picks)

Most reasonable supporters can see the above.
 

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I'm aware of your stance our list wasn't in a great shape but Beveridge's comments from Friday night posted earlier ITT by me makes a complete mockery of it. And in case you missed it the internal view at the Club at the start of 2010 season was we were two years away from being serious contenders.
And history has shown that internal view was wrong. We were ready in 2010 and passed it by the end of 2012. Jolly, Didak, Johnson, Brown were all past it and Maxwell and Ball were in definite decline. Our list was no where near competitive against the Hawks and Swans.
 

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This thread get's worse and worse.
But
But
But if
But if mick
But if mick was
But if mick was still
But if mick was still coa
But if mick was still coaching lol lol lol :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D:cool::p every day on here and it get's old :oops::oops::oops: It's 2015 people and it isnt this below
 

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Buckley inherited a list that contained.

- Pendlebury at 24. Dual AA.
- Swan at 27. Dual AA.
- Reid at 23. AA in 2011.
- Cloke at 25. AA in 2011, 69 goals & smashed the record for contested marks.
- The likes of Heath Shaw, Dayne Beams, Sidebottom, Harry (AA in 2010), Dawes, Nathan Brown, Wellingham & the like in their sweet spot in terms of age demographic to challenge.

There is no excuse for him taking the club to where it is now.
How many times do people have to say the same things? Dawes is/was a shit truck that couldn't mark the football to save his own life, Wellingham said he always wanted to go home and has had a hard time getting a game in a worse side than ours and Reid has been injury prone. Nathan Brown has had a shit run with injuries.

But that's all Buckley's fault, huh? lol.
 
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Buckley inherited a list that contained.

- Pendlebury at 24. Dual AA.
- Swan at 27. Dual AA.
- Reid at 23. AA in 2011.
- Cloke at 25. AA in 2011, 69 goals & smashed the record for contested marks.
- The likes of Heath Shaw, Dayne Beams, Sidebottom, Harry (AA in 2010), Dawes, Nathan Brown, Wellingham & the like in their sweet spot in terms of age demographic to challenge.

There is no excuse for him taking the club to where it is now.
Wait what? These players are average at best. Even Harry is just average. Who are "the like" you speak of to help substantiate your flawed argument.
 

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Get your facts right rather than fabricating a suggestion .5% drop off ? Performance decline was mentioned first and there are many variables associated with this and yes half empty stadiums .Fact numbers are on the decline and really GC and GWS have nominal affect. I actually want him to coach to the end of the year with a review and see what happens from there. Hopefully he can turn it around sure Champion player but doesn't mean he can coach .
WTF?

The average crowd dropped 5% from 2010 to 2011 according to your figures.

It was you that suggested that Buckley's tenure as coach could force us to play in front of empty stadiums. You actually supplied the figures.

I simply pointed out that the drop from 2010 to 2011 doesn't really help your argument.
 

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And history has shown that internal view was wrong. We were ready in 2010 and passed it by the end of 2012. Jolly, Didak, Johnson, Brown were all past it and Maxwell and Ball were in definite decline. Our list was no where near competitive against the Hawks and Swans.
Hey, hold up buddy.

Don't bring any sense into this thread.

People want to vent for goodness' sake.
 

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This thread get's worse and worse.
But
But
But if
But if mick
But if mick was
But if mick was still
But if mick was still coa
But if mick was still coaching lol lol lol :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D:cool::p every day on here and it get's old :oops::oops::oops: It's 2015 people and it isnt this below
And yet you choose to keep coming back :rolleyes:
 

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Buckley inherited a list that contained.

- Pendlebury at 24. Dual AA.
- Swan at 27. Dual AA.
- Reid at 23. AA in 2011.
- Cloke at 25. AA in 2011, 69 goals & smashed the record for contested marks.
- The likes of Heath Shaw, Dayne Beams, Sidebottom, Harry (AA in 2010), Dawes, Nathan Brown, Wellingham & the like in their sweet spot in terms of age demographic to challenge.

There is no excuse for him taking the club to where it is now.
How many of your 30 posts (to this stage) have been simply slagging Buckley?

Why don't you address some of the arguments in this thread instead of repeating the same old tired shit?
 
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