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Interesting ideas . I have a different view myself. I am one that still sees a role for our "role" players. They are not our problem, they can still be a part of a successful team but are not vital to it. Our big loss compared to 2010-11 is the loss of A grade talent and that the A grade talent we still have all underperformed in 2014. I am a strong believer it is your top end talent that is vital for success and its much easier to fill the lower rungs. As such I see the Tooveys , Blairs, Goldsacks as important to us. They have been to the big dance and proven they can cope. If surrounded by the appropriate top end talent I can see that happening again. At the same time I have no problem if they get overtaken by younger players. For mine though they stay until that happens. Dont underestimate how stabilising their experience is to a young team

This brings me to my other belief. At this point in time our kids are not that great. We played a team on Saturday night thet at this point in time has considerably better youth than we do. The young gold in our list has yet to play a game. Sharenberg, Freeman, Moore and De Goey. They are our hope along with Langdon, Elliott, Grundy, Witts, Adams and I know some will disagree but I see Fas and Williams as a chance also. A good free agent or 2 will help. It's this group where our likely next batch of stars will come from.

Broomhead, Kennedy and Maynard are much more speculative. Broomy and Kennedy project more footsoldiers in the team if they do make the transition to full AFL regulars and Maynard is a mid range pick who hasn't shown anything yet but doesn't come with the expectations of a top draftee.

At the moment the kids who have played look OK but no one looks top shelf even if Langdon, Adams, Grundy and a few others look like very good players in the making. I hope more for the ones who havent played yet to be the next group to provide real class that we need

In the meantime and hopefully when that happens Blair et al will be around to continue to do their bit
I just fail to see what you see in Fasolo and what you don't see in Kennedy and Broomhead, you may also see a little more upside in Langdon than i do, but i still rate him as a player for the future.
I think toovey could be used in a good side like he was in 2010, this year. But he's 28 (today i think) and realistically we won't be good until he is probably 32, or even older, you may disagree on that but thats what i view to be realistic. Old player usually lose their pace, something which toovey relies on not their skill level, so imo players like him, goldsack will really struggle once they hit 30.
I love all the players that played in 2010 apart from daisy, but eventually you have to move on or you'll be left behind. I'm not sure of their contract statuses but a lot of these players like the few i mentioned plus dwyer, sinclair, White should be moved on at end of year. For memory White has another year to go which is unfortunate. I really don't know about JT, he looks really good at times, i'd have him maybe with Fasolo and Karnezis but to me he's a little less talented or doesn't have that point of difference those two could bring to a team.

You say you believe in top end players are much more important to get right which is what I'm saying also, we need to get those high picks and use them well to add to the 8-10 quality young player we have.

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I just fail to see what you see in Fasolo and what you don't see in Kennedy and Broomhead, you may also see a little more upside in Langdon than i do, but i still rate him as a player for the future.
I think toovey could be used in a good side like he was in 2010, this year. But he's 28 (today i think) and realistically we won't be good until he is probably 32, or even older, you may disagree on that but thats what i view to be realistic. Old player usually lose their pace, something which toovey relies on not their skill level, so imo players like him, goldsack will really struggle once they hit 30.
I love all the players that played in 2010 apart from daisy, but eventually you have to move on or you'll be left behind. I'm not sure of their contract statuses but a lot of these players like the few i mentioned plus dwyer, sinclair, White should be moved on at end of year. For memory White has another year to go which is unfortunate. I really don't know about JT, he looks really good at times, i'd have him maybe with Fasolo and Karnezis but to me he's a little less talented or doesn't have that point of difference those two could bring to a team.

You say you believe in top end players are much more important to get right which is what I'm saying also, we need to get those high picks and use them well to add to the 8-10 quality young player we have.

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In Fasolo compared to Broomhead and Kennedy I see a player who performed at a much higher level in his 1st 2 seasons compared to what they have put forward and then had his next 2 seasons wrecked by injury. Simply he has done things they have not yet shown themselves capable of. Not to say they cant but sometimes we count our chickens

I can see we both see the need to build up our group of A graders and quality. I guess the difference is I don't necessarily see disgarding our middle rung established payers in favour of younger players as an automatic way to do it. Going into the season I am happy to put Blair etc out when and if they are overtaken by youngsters. What I believe is dangerous is any policy that involves wholesale playing of youngsters before they are ready just to sort them out and get games into them. The Freemans , De Goeys, Moores etc may be half a season or more away from being AFL ready and until then I want them to get a good VFL grounding. As for Maynard, Manteit etc any AFL in their 1st season is a bonus and I want some eveidence in the VFL as to their worth before speculating on whether they have any AFL future. Broomhead and Karnezis need some good VFL performances over a number of weeks to show they are ready for anothher crack at AFL footy.
 

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In Fasolo compared to Broomhead and Kennedy I see a player who performed at a much higher level in his 1st 2 seasons compared to what they have put forward and then had his next 2 seasons wrecked by injury. Simply he has done things they have not yet shown themselves capable of. Not to say they cant but sometimes we count our chickens

I can see we both see the need to build up our group of A graders and quality. I guess the difference is I don't necessarily see disgarding our middle rung established payers in favour of younger players as an automatic way to do it. Going into the season I am happy to put Blair etc out when and if they are overtaken by youngsters. What I believe is dangerous is any policy that involves wholesale playing of youngsters before they are ready just to sort them out and get games into them. The Freemans , De Goeys, Moores etc may be half a season or more away from being AFL ready and until then I want them to get a good VFL grounding. As for Maynard, Manteit etc any AFL in their 1st season is a bonus and I want some eveidence in the VFL as to their worth before speculating on whether they have any AFL future. Broomhead and Karnezis need some good VFL performances over a number of weeks to show they are ready for anothher crack at AFL footy.
what did they do over the offseason that cancelled out their great end of year form? I believe PK was top 3 in the vfl in goal kicking and he only played half a season, he then played very well agains hawks and poorly against carlton. Put that form against a number of our players and he stacks up favourably.
Broomhead, played very well in the final few rounds of last season. He was our only genuine crumbing threat for the entire season, i would have thought he lead our goal kicking in the final few rounds or was top 3 at least. Had a quiet nab cup but didn't get a whole lot of game time and no one put up their hand to replace him.
I think we should look to give De Goey, Maynard and some of the other untried players a crack at afl, not in the first few rounds but as the season progresses for sure. Obviously you wouldn't chuck them all in for round 1 but by round 5 I'd like them to start replacing the players that are doing the same old poor performances. De Goey is AFL ready, Maynard I'm not 100% sure is as i haven't seen him but from all reports he is. I doubt Moore will be ready this season as I'm more for making sure KPP are older and more experienced before bringing them in.
 

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Buckleys best bet is tho play the kids, He might as well Develop his game plan with the next generation, barring of course our top 15 seniors as as our bottom 6 isn't going to take us far. He must play the likes of BK (and not as the sub) broomhead, kernesis, gault, Moore (when fit) degooey, sharenberg, Maynard etc. blokes like white and Blair and Armstrong Sinclair are going to do his career more damage than good as they have reached their ceiling and can't take this side where it needs to be. Use 2015 as the development year for all these young blokes as clearly our best won't be good enough anyway this year, however by playing these early draft picks it will give the supporters hope and a vision of what's in store within the next couple of years.
 
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what did they do over the offseason that cancelled out their great end of year form? I believe PK was top 3 in the vfl in goal kicking and he only played half a season, he then played very well agains hawks and poorly against carlton. Put that form against a number of our players and he stacks up favourably.
Broomhead, played very well in the final few rounds of last season. He was our only genuine crumbing threat for the entire season, i would have thought he lead our goal kicking in the final few rounds or was top 3 at least. Had a quiet nab cup but didn't get a whole lot of game time and no one put up their hand to replace him.
I think we should look to give De Goey, Maynard and some of the other untried players a crack at afl, not in the first few rounds but as the season progresses for sure. Obviously you wouldn't chuck them all in for round 1 but by round 5 I'd like them to start replacing the players that are doing the same old poor performances. De Goey is AFL ready, Maynard I'm not 100% sure is as i haven't seen him but from all reports he is. I doubt Moore will be ready this season as I'm more for making sure KPP are older and more experienced before bringing them in.
PK has good VFL form from the end of 2014. That's not enough to get picked in 2015. He needed to play well against Carlton to push his case as he was already not best 22. He becomes best 22 by sustained good form. After the Hawthorn game he basically blew his chance against the Blues

Broomhead was promising at the end of 2014 but his case I believe was overstated. Good games were mostly against weaker sides and he struggled at times. He was well placed for a round 1 spot if he consolidated with NAB form but had a lot of others nipping at his heels. He didn't play well so needs to perform again to get his place back

PK and Broomys problem is neither has a significant body of senior AFL performance to hang their hat on so have to produce at the moment. Players like Crisp, De Goey and Kennedy who were behind himare now ahead of him. They will get more chances hopefully and would expect they have learned from missing out at this time
 

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I was unfortunate enough to watch a replay of Saturday night's game yesterday, having avoided it after a mate who was at the game sent me a text saying it was going to be a long year and that little league kids have better disposal. Having watched the game, and while not usually putting any real faith in practice match outcomes, I am feeling pretty pessimistic about 2015 and Buckley.

I have supported him, saying I wanted to wait to see how a team that is his performs. I gave leeway last year because of injuries. But I am not seeing anything that gives me any confidence that he can deliver. There is no desperation, no manic chasing. It is painful to watch how slowly we move forward. It is inevitable the ball gets bombed long where Cloke tries valiantly to get a fist in to prevent one of the three players he is matched up on from marking. There is a sense of inevitability watching Sinclair, Frost, Toovey etc get the ball in the back half knowing it will be quickly turned over and back for a goal.

Quite simply I hate watching us play at the moment. I want Buckley to succeed because he is a Collingwood champion (and I can barely contain my anger at Mike Sheehan's top 50 of past 25 years ranking - Buckley below Black, Harvey, Hodge, McLeod, Matera???????). But I want Collingwood to succeed more. And if Buckley isn't the man for the job, which I increasingly suspect he isn't, then I want a decision made quickly. If we are playing like we did on Saturday night, or last Sunday, in the first 6-10 rounds then I will have seen enough.[/QUO

I totally agree. Why do we recruit players who cannot kick the ball from A to B? Moreover why do we keep these players on our list? Finally, can anybody out there tell me what is our GAME PLAN? Having followed the Pies since 1966, I am more pessimistic now than perhaps anytime even more so that the period between 1995 and 1999!
 

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PK has good VFL form from the end of 2014. That's not enough to get picked in 2015. He needed to play well against Carlton to push his case as he was already not best 22. He becomes best 22 by sustained good form. After the Hawthorn game he basically blew his chance against the Blues

Broomhead was promising at the end of 2014 but his case I believe was overstated. Good games were mostly against weaker sides and he struggled at times. He was well placed for a round 1 spot if he consolidated with NAB form but had a lot of others nipping at his heels. He didn't play well so needs to perform again to get his place back

PK and Broomys problem is neither has a significant body of senior AFL performance to hang their hat on so have to produce at the moment. Players like Crisp, De Goey and Kennedy who were behind himare now ahead of him. They will get more chances hopefully and would expect they have learned from missing out at this time
I don't agree with this at all, broomhead played really well against port. Do you not rate broomhead's disposal as elite ? Sure he isn't an accumulator yet and I would have him behind Kennedy right now but his upside is incredible. I can't really see where you are coming from regarding broomhead. Only time will tell who's correct on this
 
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I don't agree with this at all, broomhead played really well against port. Do you not rate broomhead's disposal as elite ? Sure he isn't an accumulator yet and I would have him behind Kennedy right now but his upside is incredible. I can't really see where you are coming from regarding broomhead. Only time will tell who's correct on this
I can see potential in Broomhead but he is still young and needs to improve. His finish to 2014 was good. He has been poor so far in 2015 and needs to pick up. I believe he will but until he does he is VFL for now. Elite is to high a praise for his diaspora this early in the careers. It's good for mine with an expectation it will continue to evolve
 

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Not too sure why these guys (Karnesis, Broomhead, Kennedy) need MORE VFL time to prove themselves and be included ahead of older less potent players (Blair, Goldsack)...if they play the positions we require them to play BETTER than the incumbents then surely they qualify and don't have to be put through too many more hoops to play.

Based on your criteria Jamie Elliot would still be playing VFL to prove himself...instead of just coming in and gunning it. Karnesis has played enough VFL....he's better than that. Kennedy kills VFL and Broomhead makes a lot of his senior AFL players look silly. They've all been in the system long enough now. Play em or let them be picked off by other clubs, gone are the days when you could keep your talent simmering in the reserves until you needed it.
 
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Not too sure why these guys (Karnesis, Broomhead, Kennedy) need MORE VFL time to prove themselves and be included ahead of older less potent players (Blair, Goldsack)...if they play the positions we require them to play BETTER than the incumbents then surely they qualify and don't have to be put through too many more hoops to play.

Based on your criteria Jamie Elliot would still be playing VFL to prove himself...instead of just coming in and gunning it. Karnesis has played enough VFL....he's better than that. Kennedy kills VFL and Broomhead makes a lot of his senior AFL players look silly. They've all been in the system long enough now. Play em or let them be picked off by other clubs, gone are the days when you could keep your talent simmering in the reserves until you needed it.
Kennedy I agree has been hard done by. I think was only out on Saturday because of a head knock. I have him as a starter for round 1. Broomhead should have been nearly there but just hasn't done enough pre season. If he is going as well as you feel he is why did he struggle NAB 1 and 2. His place wasn't fully secured and he didn't do what he needed to. Don't see that as such a biggie because he will play AFL soon with good form. I believe he is one the club is keen to advance so he should get his chance

Karnezis just hasn't shown is up to AFL level yet and he has had chances. Injuries were cruel to him in 2014 but he has had chances at Brissie he didn't capitalise on. He wasn't best 22 coming into 2015so has to go past the players he is contending with. He let himself down in NAB 2. He will get a chance to show us he has improved in the next few games but his career is on the line in 2015. 5th season in the system. Not many get past that if not established best 22.

I don't want to hold anyone back just promote when they are good enough.
 

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Kennedy I agree has been hard done by. I think was only out on Saturday because of a head knock. I have him as a starter for round 1. Broomhead should have been nearly there but just hasn't done enough pre season. If he is going as well as you feel he is why did he struggle NAB 1 and 2. His place wasn't fully secured and he didn't do what he needed to. Don't see that as such a biggie because he will play AFL soon with good form. I believe he is one the club is keen to advance so he should get his chance

Karnezis just hasn't shown is up to AFL level yet and he has had chances. Injuries were cruel to him in 2014 but he has had chances at Brissie he didn't capitalise on. He wasn't best 22 coming into 2015so has to go past the players he is contending with. He let himself down in NAB 2. He will get a chance to show us he has improved in the next few games but his career is on the line in 2015. 5th season in the system. Not many get past that if not established best 22.

I don't want to hold anyone back just promote when they are good enough.
With Greenwood out, Kennedy might come in
 

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Kennedy I agree has been hard done by. I think was only out on Saturday because of a head knock. I have him as a starter for round 1. Broomhead should have been nearly there but just hasn't done enough pre season. If he is going as well as you feel he is why did he struggle NAB 1 and 2. His place wasn't fully secured and he didn't do what he needed to. Don't see that as such a biggie because he will play AFL soon with good form. I believe he is one the club is keen to advance so he should get his chance

Karnezis just hasn't shown is up to AFL level yet and he has had chances. Injuries were cruel to him in 2014 but he has had chances at Brissie he didn't capitalise on. He wasn't best 22 coming into 2015so has to go past the players he is contending with. He let himself down in NAB 2. He will get a chance to show us he has improved in the next few games but his career is on the line in 2015. 5th season in the system. Not many get past that if not established best 22.

I don't want to hold anyone back just promote when they are good enough.
Did you actually watch his games for brisbane ? brisbane fans were annoyed he wasnt getting games, his first couple of games were very impressive for memory. I remember being told in his second or third year he had a good game then got dropped, dominated whatever league they have over there and then came back as the sub and was almost best player for his team then got dropped again. He hasn't been given a chance at sustained time at AFL level, his career has basically been dominate lower leagues, perform at afl for a small patch then get banished back to lower league to dominatee until next called upon. I feel the reason he doesn't get the games he deserves is because brisbane couldn't work out if he was a forward or a midfield. He's kicked 24 goals in 21 games in a terrible side, fasolo has kicked 52 in 52 games.. Both have spent time outside of the forward line and both have been trialled at half back. To me they are at very similar stages of their careers and should form a dangerous combo of they can build consistency. They should be given a chance to showcase what they can do on an afl level, they don't need to prove themselves in vfl anymore, we know they'll dominate.
I remember a game against the pies Karnezis was basically one of only 3 players for brisbane that I would say could have held their head high after we gave them a belting.
 

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No, i think u miss the point. If the club had of smoothed things over after 2010 premiership, let things stay the same without all the bullshit and unrest created by all and sundry and united under the one goal, to win premierships, we could of got at least another
premiership in the cabinet.

To say we got figured out is just plain bullshit, how on earth did buckley make a prelim in 2012 ( when clearly players wernt happy with changeovr )if the side was figured out. We hav all seen his coaching exploits since. The players were that well drilled they were basically running themselves. Buckley said it himself, he didnt change much in 2012. How lucky we are that he has changed it since.

So we made 2 grand finals followed by a prelim in which we had a funeral to attend 2 days before for jmac ( RIP ).

Hardly a side that was 'figured out'

This seems to be the ONLY thing that buckleys supporters can hang their hat on.
Geelong beat us 3 times in 2011 so not sure how many times they could beat us before we wanted to be convinced. If there was any reason the team was distracted it was due to Malthouse, a late season footy show appearance typical Malthouse.

In 2012, we finished 4th on ladder and lost 4 of our last 6 games. Had we have won the prelim, Hawthorn awaited us having already lost to them 3 times that year. I'm not saying the team Buckley inherited wasn't good, but it had peaked in mid 2010-late 2011 and then was just a good side.

As I mentioned, Buckley lost Leigh Brown and Leon Davis to retirement (who were really important to us) while having 4 players suffering knee recos in 2012. The team in 2013 was a shadow and to that point we hadn't had an early draft pick since Sidebottom in 2008. So the whole point of my thread is the team Buckley had when he started was not the great team from 2010-2011.

Whether he can coach is a different question but the team had peaked and the club realised it and tried to rebuild on the run rather than doing a St.kilda who didn't rebuild at all till it was too late. As a result, we had no serious talent coming through and a list that was no longer able to contend.
 

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Geelong beat us 3 times in 2011 so not sure how many times they could beat us before we wanted to be convinced. If there was any reason the team was distracted it was due to Malthouse, a late season footy show appearance typical Malthouse.

In 2012, we finished 4th on ladder and lost 4 of our last 6 games. Had we have won the prelim, Hawthorn awaited us having already lost to them 3 times that year. I'm not saying the team Buckley inherited wasn't good, but it had peaked in mid 2010-late 2011 and then was just a good side.

As I mentioned, Buckley lost Leigh Brown and Leon Davis to retirement (who were really important to us) while having 4 players suffering knee recos in 2012. The team in 2013 was a shadow and to that point we hadn't had an early draft pick since Sidebottom in 2008. So the whole point of my thread is the team Buckley had when he started was not the great team from 2010-2011.

Whether he can coach is a different question but the team had peaked and the club realised it and tried to rebuild on the run rather than doing a St.kilda who didn't rebuild at all till it was too late. As a result, we had no serious talent coming through and a list that was no longer able to contend.
We basically crawled to the grand final in 2011 with injuries to key players. We were 24 points up against geelong before halftime. We simply ran out of legs.

3 crucial moments in that game that changed momentum. Ive mentioned them before, no need for me to mention them again.

Dont ever compare us to st kilda, the depth of talent and age profile were miles apart.
 
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Did you actually watch his games for brisbane ? brisbane fans were annoyed he wasnt getting games, his first couple of games were very impressive for memory. I remember being told in his second or third year he had a good game then got dropped, dominated whatever league they have over there and then came back as the sub and was almost best player for his team then got dropped again. He hasn't been given a chance at sustained time at AFL level, his career has basically been dominate lower leagues, perform at afl for a small patch then get banished back to lower league to dominatee until next called upon. I feel the reason he doesn't get the games he deserves is because brisbane couldn't work out if he was a forward or a midfield. He's kicked 24 goals in 21 games in a terrible side, fasolo has kicked 52 in 52 games.. Both have spent time outside of the forward line and both have been trialled at half back. To me they are at very similar stages of their careers and should form a dangerous combo of they can build consistency. They should be given a chance to showcase what they can do on an afl level, they don't need to prove themselves in vfl anymore, we know they'll dominate.
I remember a game against the pies Karnezis was basically one of only 3 players for brisbane that I would say could have held their head high after we gave them a belting.
I saw some of him and know he stood out especially season 1. His 3rd season he looked great preseason but dropped form again. There were some rumblings about him being offside with Voss. Not sure how true it is. Look I hope he makes it, he was at school with my kids so have a bit of a soft spot. I do worry whether he has the desire and is hard enough. We will see this season. He just isn't best 22 for us yet for mine but will get a chance to change that this year. Ball is very much in his court for mine
 

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No doubt it's an important year fir Bucks but what you guys don't understand is the following;
There have been few list improvements to all middle ranked clubs due to compromised drafts
Highranked clubs have sustained lists due to free agency
Our best young players over recent drafts have been injured
Our core have been injured
It's his game plan that's letting everyone down look at Carlton since MM took over they are struggling to kick 10 goals a game Ratts had them kicking big scores and moving the ball quick up the guts .. it's been down hill since MM arrived to Carlfilth
The game plan has been found out in 2011 and buckley has changed nothing ..
The sideways going backwards zoning slow down the boundary line doe's nothing for the whole side let alone our forwards ..
Zoning creates lazy slow flatfooted footballers and your always 5 meters behind chasing ass and get court out of play ...
They only move Bucks is doing in the coaches box is moving for his lollies ..I wanted Buckley out early last year same game plan we are going downhill quick .. vote with you're feet and pockets
 

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We basically crawled to the grand final in 2011 with injuries to key players. We were 24 points up against geelong before halftime. We simply ran out of legs.

3 crucial moments in that game that changed momentum. Ive mentioned them before, no need for me to mention them again.

Dont ever compare us to st kilda, the depth of talent and age profile were miles apart.
You haven't addressed my points, I assume you can't. As for GF, we lost by 6 goals and got over-run.

Thanks for your advice too, I'll make any comparisons I like though and if you re-read my post it's not actually a comparison to St.Kilda it's avoiding their pitfalls.
 
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