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You haven't addressed my points, I assume you can't. As for GF, we lost by 6 goals and got over-run.

Thanks for your advice too, I'll make any comparisons I like though and if you re-read my post it's not actually a comparison to St.Kilda it's avoiding their pitfalls.
Touchy touchy, u going to be ok?

I said we ran out of legs, we played 2 epic finals against WC and hawthorn before playing in grand final. We had 4-5 players enter that grand final carrying injuries, and we didnt hav beams. The first 3 qtrs in that grand final was some of the best football i hav seen. Half way through last qtr we were running on empty.

As for where things are now, if u giv half your talent away thats what u get. If u bring in scrubbers from other clubs to fill the gaps of those players while hoping the players u drafted come through, thats also what u get.

Trading or recruiting spuds like white, young, lynch, russell and armstrong is what has cruelled us. Combine all their wages and get a jet instead of spreading money over players who are no good. Now we hav added varcoe to that list

Terrible recruiting and f/a selections in the past few years.
 

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I saw some of him and know he stood out especially season 1. His 3rd season he looked great preseason but dropped form again. There were some rumblings about him being offside with Voss. Not sure how true it is. Look I hope he makes it, he was at school with my kids so have a bit of a soft spot. I do worry whether he has the desire and is hard enough. We will see this season. He just isn't best 22 for us yet for mine but will get a chance to change that this year. Ball is very much in his court for mine
His form didn't drop. He dominated in the NEAFL pretty much all season (playing through OP late in the year), but didn't get a call up despite the senior side being absolutely shit. Something stunk about it, and from what I've heard there is more than a little truth to the rumours about Voss stamping his cards early in the year.

He dominated VFL last year despite having no preseason and a late start to the season. I'd put money on him absolutely smashing the door down very quickly if he starts in the VFL this year now he's injury free and has a full preseason under his belt.
 
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I went to the game, not for a result but for the chance to see what we have been working on all summer and what we can expect to do in terms of ball movement, transition, hitting targets, decision making and defending an opposition. It's fair to say all of the above on exposure have failed miserably.

It's the same old stuff. We cannot kick in to any free teammates. Every team we have played in the Nab Challenge has been able to hit targets via kick in. We simply always kick long to a contest. Rubbish.

We cannot defend kick ins. The opposition slice us up with free targets at will.

Our ball movement is laborious and slow. There's no creativity, we don't use the corridor anywhere near enough and it's predictable. Too many guys are too slow of mind or poor kicks of the footy when the ball is in their hands.

We still get caught up on "contested footy". The most dangerous area on the ground is the outside. Win this area and you control and ultimately win the game. The Dogs obliterated us in this area. They always outnumbered us on the outside. Even when we got first hands on it, all our guys are within a 1m of each other. We were boxed in, with nowhere to go.

The Dogs' players were always moving, hitting every contest on the move. Be it in attack or when defending out inside 50s, they were always moving making it harder to be tackled. Our movement is static, flat footed and no tackle seems to stick. When they do, we allow our opposition to always be able to release the ball out via handball.

How many times can we do loopy handballs to players who are under pressure?

Why do we persist by not playing our best forwards, actually forward? Elliott is our best small forward. He is a weapon and he is now spending too much time on ball. This is seen as the next step in his evolution but the reality is, his form and output will suffer individually and team. The boy is capable of being a 50 goal a year player. He, Fasolo, Broomhead, Karnezis and De Goey need to be our small/medium forwards. No more Blair or Goldsack who have no influence on the scoreboard or via assists. It's laughable having forwards who cannot score.

Cloke must be getting frustrated and rightfully so. The guy works his ass off and the delivery is not even park standard let alone league standard. Always over his head, wide, at his feet or on top of his head outnumbered. We have the best power forward in the comp and we cannot hit him or create space for him.

Our defence is the worst in the league. Brown and Langdon aside, the rest are not up to it. Williams and Sinclair could be but Toovey is no longer best 22- he is a shadow of the player he once was and Ramsay is lost at sea. Kicking skills from this mob are atrocious. How can you ever hope to be the "best transition side in the comp" when this group of players is kicking the footy? Bucks, please, turn it up.

There have been no improvements thus far and overall it seems like we are still going backwards. The results are irrelevant, it's the way we are doing things.

I'm all for playing Kennedy, Broomhead, Freeman, Scharenberg etc with regularity at the expense of guys like Blair, Toovey, Goldsack, Frost, Crisp etc. If we are going backwards we may as well improve the kids and young guns.
I agree with everything apart from your comment about Frost. .. for me he is easily in our best 22.
 

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Things definitely would have been different.

.... People would be calling for Mick's head instead of Bucks.
They both have they same shitty game plan that"s the problem look at Carlton both sides zone go sideways Backwards and move the ball slow Down the boundary line and can't kick over 10 goals ..
Bucks has no clue
 

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Touchy touchy, u going to be ok?

I said we ran out of legs, we played 2 epic finals against WC and hawthorn before playing in grand final. We had 4-5 players enter that grand final carrying injuries, and we didnt hav beams. The first 3 qtrs in that grand final was some of the best football i hav seen. Half way through last qtr we were running on empty.

As for where things are now, if u giv half your talent away thats what u get. If u bring in scrubbers from other clubs to fill the gaps of those players while hoping the players u drafted come through, thats also what u get.

Trading or recruiting spuds like white, young, lynch, russell and armstrong is what has cruelled us. Combine all their wages and get a jet instead of spreading money over players who are no good. Now we hav added varcoe to that list

Terrible recruiting and f/a selections in the past few years.
I'm not touchy champ, maybe you need a cold shower to calm yourself down and let go of 2011 / 2012.

Of those players you mentioned, we gave away a 3rd round pick and pick 70 to get. All players with 'talent' who have gone have all done jackshit and we got rid of them to maximise the value and get first round compo picks through the door. Those players didn't work out but at least we did something rather than slide into mediocrity.

We brought in Grundy, Broomhead, Kennedy, Scharenberg and Freeman over 2 years with 3 of those being compo picks. They're the ones we're hanging our hat on to get better value than idiots like Thomas and Wellingham over next 5-10 years.
 
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His form didn't drop. He dominated in the NEAFL pretty much all season (playing through OP late in the year), but didn't get a call up despite the senior side being absolutely shit. Something stunk about it, and from what I've heard there is more than a little truth to the rumours about Voss stamping his cards early in the year.

He dominated VFL last year despite having no preseason and a late start to the season. I'd put money on him absolutely smashing the door down very quickly if he starts in the VFL this year now he's injury free and has a full preseason under his belt.
I hope you are right. If Karnezis can become a dangerous attacking player for us will be a tremendous result. As you say after a good pre season if he is that player he will get a chance soon enough. All I want to see is some solid form warranting his inclusion. I don't think he is far off and after the Hawks game he had a place for round 1 if he had continued good form. He didn't but hopefully will soon. A couple of strong games in the VFL won't hurt him. Do you think his form in the Carlton game warrants automatic inclusion. It's a tough gig sometimes trying to break into a team, you need to take the chances when they present as you don't have the history the established players get

One thing PK impressed me with in NAB 1-2 was his extra defensive intensity and tackling. It's something I reckon he has lacked. I hope he is really hungry for a game and goes 100% to win that spot. I am keen to see what he has got.
 
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I'm not touchy champ, maybe you need a cold shower to calm yourself down and let go of 2011 / 2012.

Of those players you mentioned, we gave away a 3rd round pick and pick 70 to get. All players with 'talent' who have gone have all done jackshit and we got rid of them to maximise the value and get first round compo picks through the door. Those players didn't work out but at least we did something rather than slide into mediocrity.

We brought in Grundy, Broomhead, Kennedy, Scharenberg and Freeman over 2 years with 3 of those being compo picks. They're the ones we're hanging our hat on to get better value than idiots like Thomas and Wellingham over next 5-10 years.
We should be appreciating the 2 idiots who were part of a great team and for the contributions and memories they gave us . Loved watching those boys in particular Thomas . Hopefully the youngsters can reach the heights of those that have left or prematurely retired like Brown at 29 or Davis after all Australian .
 

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Touchy touchy, u going to be ok?

I said we ran out of legs, we played 2 epic finals against WC and hawthorn before playing in grand final. We had 4-5 players enter that grand final carrying injuries, and we didnt hav beams. The first 3 qtrs in that grand final was some of the best football i hav seen. Half way through last qtr we were running on empty.

As for where things are now, if u giv half your talent away thats what u get. If u bring in scrubbers from other clubs to fill the gaps of those players while hoping the players u drafted come through, thats also what u get.

Trading or recruiting spuds like white, young, lynch, russell and armstrong is what has cruelled us. Combine all their wages and get a jet instead of spreading money over players who are no good. Now we hav added varcoe to that list

Terrible recruiting and f/a selections in the past few years.
What jet should we have gone for in your view?
 

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So we read an article again on the AFL website and here is our "great communicating" coach who says "aim high" and there are "no limits on what we can achieve".

To the contrary there are clear limitations with what we can achieve. If not solved or improved dramatically and quickly, he will be bounced purely on the basis that the mob (the fans) will have had enough.

It's great to hear and read these kind of articles only if there are clear signs of improvement and on the up. Not when every season for the last 3 we have gone backwards rapidly.

The army is growing restless. There is no doubt about it. Those who are calm now are nervous to the point of finally breaking.
 

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I hope you are right. If Karnezis can become a dangerous attacking player for us will be a tremendous result. As you say after a good pre season if he is that player he will get a chance soon enough. All I want to see is some solid form warranting his inclusion. I don't think he is far off and after the Hawks game he had a place for round 1 if he had continued good form. He didn't but hopefully will soon. A couple of strong games in the VFL won't hurt him. Do you think his form in the Carlton game warrants automatic inclusion. It's a tough gig sometimes trying to break into a team, you need to take the chances when they present as you don't have the history the established players get

One thing PK impressed me with in NAB 1-2 was his extra defensive intensity and tackling. It's something I reckon he has lacked. I hope he is really hungry for a game and goes 100% to win that spot. I am keen to see what he has got.
I wasn't able to watch the Carlton game, but heard he was a lot quieter. I was impressed by his defensive efforts vs the Hawks though, and I think that will please the coaching staff too.
I honestly couldn't say which players deserve to play round 1 after the debacle vs the dogs, but I get the feeling PK will start in the VFL. It won't bother me if he does, as long as he gets rewarded for his form when it warrants it. If he breaks in to the side, I reckon he'll be very hard to displace.
 

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I wasn't able to watch the Carlton game, but heard he was a lot quieter. I was impressed by his defensive efforts vs the Hawks though, and I think that will please the coaching staff too.
I honestly couldn't say which players deserve to play round 1 after the debacle vs the dogs, but I get the feeling PK will start in the VFL. It won't bother me if he does, as long as he gets rewarded for his form when it warrants it. If he breaks in to the side, I reckon he'll be very hard to displace.
Yeah agree with that. There is no doubt if he can translate the quality he shows at VFL level to AFL he will be a danger. I do have a bit of a concern he may be one who does struggle to make that transition. We will find out soon
 

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What jet should we have gone for in your view?
What im saying is if u are going to spend $400,000 a year for white, $250,000 on young , whatever varcoe is on, whats the point in spending all that money on players that are not going to improve u.
What has white ever done in his career to be worth that?
Young and varcoe are in the same boat, soft receivers.

Better off targeting a player, having that cash to play with and giv him an offer he cant refuse. That player may be getting $6-700,000

We finally did it with greenwood last year, i wanted him 2 years ago. We can learn a lot from hawthorn in that way.

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What jet should we have gone for in your view?
I'm not touchy champ, maybe you need a cold shower to calm yourself down and let go of 2011 / 2012.

Of those players you mentioned, we gave away a 3rd round pick and pick 70 to get. All players with 'talent' who have gone have all done jackshit and we got rid of them to maximise the value and get first round compo picks through the door. Those players didn't work out but at least we did something rather than slide into mediocrity.

We brought in Grundy, Broomhead, Kennedy, Scharenberg and Freeman over 2 years with 3 of those being compo picks. They're the ones we're hanging our hat on to get better value than idiots like Thomas and Wellingham over next 5-10 years.
Old spice/trickster he is a professional tv watcher and tv coach in the making and is always right, didn't you know that :) But, But, But ;):oops::D
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Yeah agree with that. There is no doubt if he can translate the quality he shows at VFL level to AFL he will be a danger. I do have a bit of a concern he may be one who does struggle to make that transition. We will find out soon
If the midfield is moving the ball well he will score regularly like Gunston does. If Gunston played in a team that doesn't open the play lile the Hawks he'd barely be noticed. For these guys it's all upfield tjat matters.
 
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What im saying is if u are going to spend $400,000 a year for white, $250,000 on young , whatever varcoe is on, whats the point in spending all that money on players that are not going to improve u.
What has white ever done in his career to be worth that?
Young and varcoe are in the same boat, soft receivers.

Better off targeting a player, having that cash to play with and giv him an offer he cant refuse. That player may be getting $6-700,000

We finally did it with greenwood last year, i wanted him 2 years ago. We can learn a lot from hawthorn in that way.
It's too simplistic an argument. If you look at this you need to consider the entirety of the strategy. We traded out a lot of senior experience in Dawes, Wellingham, Shaw, Thomas, Beams etc and received draft picks for them. We also lost a lot of senior experience during that time to retirement. We had to top up with some seniors to tide us over until the draft picks mature. To not have gone for the likes of Russell , White, Young and Lynch who were all relatively cheap pick ups would have left us younger and more exposed. Hasn't worked perfectly but we needed to try it
 

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It's too simplistic an argument. If you look at this you need to consider the entirety of the strategy. We traded out a lot of senior experience in Dawes, Wellingham, Shaw, Thomas, Beams etc and received draft picks for them. We also lost a lot of senior experience during that time to retirement. We had to top up with some seniors to tide us over until the draft picks mature. To not have gone for the likes of Russell , White, Young and Lynch who were all relatively cheap pick ups would have left us younger and more exposed. Hasn't worked perfectly but we needed to try it
U dont hav to do one without the other. Thats the whole problem. Anyway no footy for 2 weeks, so im sure we will debate it when it starts up all again.
 

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I hope you are right. If Karnezis can become a dangerous attacking player for us will be a tremendous result. As you say after a good pre season if he is that player he will get a chance soon enough. All I want to see is some solid form warranting his inclusion. I don't think he is far off and after the Hawks game he had a place for round 1 if he had continued good form. He didn't but hopefully will soon. A couple of strong games in the VFL won't hurt him. Do you think his form in the Carlton game warrants automatic inclusion. It's a tough gig sometimes trying to break into a team, you need to take the chances when they present as you don't have the history the established players get

One thing PK impressed me with in NAB 1-2 was his extra defensive intensity and tackling. It's something I reckon he has lacked. I hope he is really hungry for a game and goes 100% to win that spot. I am keen to see what he has got.
He had a bad game agaisnt carlton, fasolo played even worse last weekend.. But you don't question fasolo's spot.. I wouldn't question eithers spot but there seems to be a little bias going on here no offence intended just what I see
 

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Yeah Bucks has no idea is the call from a few. Where's the gameplan? Even the muppet yelling at Eddie after a game last year was saying something about gameplan.
FFS, what is a gameplan?
 
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