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Since Buckley became coach, how many of the other newly appointed coaches have won premierships?
Touche...and how many newly appointed coaches have taken their team from being a Grand Finalist to a progressively worse position each year of their tenure?
 

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He upset Robbo, which is always a good thing
Hopefully he called him immoral, lacking facts, seeking clicks with his stories, unable to lay straight in bed, and called him on Essendon paying him to write positive stories on their behalf during the saga.

Other than that I can't see what Robbo could possibly be upset by. Anyway this is the Bucks thread and i digress.
 

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Not sure if it has been discussed and I don't want to open a can of worms.

Watched the replay last night......What are peoples thoughts on Bucks interaction with Fasolo at 3 quarter time??

He "seemed" to me like he was challenging Fas to get back on the field.

It wasn't a good look IMO and Fas at one stage in the last qtr on the phone looked like he was in shock pleading his case!

Maybe those at the ground could explain it better.......or maybe I am reading too much into it :drunk:
 
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You might want to go and check list changes for at least one of your factual examples.

It's all well and good to postulate that there is the possibility that a team may improve however it's possible that appointing Pendlebury captain/coach could see improvement.

Sacking the entire coaching staff and appointing an actual Magpie called Gary could possibly see improvement.

Where are the more qualified people to replace the coaches we have? It's not unreasonable to wonder who people have in mind when all that is suggested is:

1. Sack Bucks
2. ????
3. Top four
You seem to be suggesting that teams shouldn't change coaches because there is no guarantee that the new coach will do any better. I don't want to be disrespectful but this is one of the dumber arguments I've seen here on the board for a while.

We should never have sacked Tony Shaw.. he just had bad luck and needed more time yeah?

The argument from those who suggest coaching change is a lot simpler and much more sensible than the one you are trying to portray for them here; and somewhat disingenuously I think. To help you out.. it goes like this.. When something is not working, and has consistently not worked for 5 years, you might want to give some very serious consideration into looking at alternatives. You don't make any knee jerk decision and sack someone for the sake of it without doing due dilligence on an appropriate replacement. But 5 years is a long time in footy for a rookie coach to show absolutey zero improvement in a teams situation and outlook relative to the competition. Many posters here are rightly wondering how long you persist and when you pull the plug.

I haven't seen many suggesting that a new coach will automatically make the team a top 4 side; but when you have a five year sample size from the incumbent with no improvement, the option to look for a change is simply common sense. It is a bit sad that many of the Buckley lovers on the board can't see that this is actaully the sensible and logical position... and is nothing to do with "hating" Buckley. I'm glad you guys are not on the Collingwood Board because I can guarantee you they are going to be looking very closely at this very matter come the end of the year... I guess they all must be "haters" too.. including ED.
 
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You seem to be suggesting that teams shouldn't change coaches because there is no guarantee that the new coach will do any better. I don't want to be disrespectful but this is one of the dumber arguments I've seen here on the board for a while.

We should never have sacked Tony Shaw.. he just had bad luck and needed more time yeah?

The argument from those who suggest coaching change is a lot simpler and much more sensible than the one you are trying to portray for them here; and somewhat disingenuously I think. To help you out.. it goes like this.. When something is not working, and has consistently not worked for 5 years, you might want to give some very serious consideration into looking at alternatives. You don't make any knee jerk decision and sack someone for the sake of it without doing due dilligence on an appropriate replacement. But 5 years is a long time in footy for a rookie coach to show absolutey zero improvement in a teams situation and outlook relative to the competition. Many posters here are rightly wondering how long you persist and when you pull the plug.

I haven't seen many suggesting that a new coach will automatically make the team a top 4 side; but when you have a five year sample size from the incumbent with no improvement, the option to look for a change is simply common sense. It is a bit sad that many of the Buckley lovers on the board can't see that this is actaully the sensible and logical position... and is nothing to do with "hating" Buckley. I'm glad you guys are not on the Collingwood Board because I can guarantee you they are going to be looking very closely at this very matter come the end of the year... I guess they all must be "haters" too.. including ED.
You have the makings of a fine politician bending the truth of what the so called Buckley lovers have been stating on this board; namely that there should a review of all football positions at the end of the year by the board and if the board sees fit to replace Buckley then so be it. It's just that you don't seem to grasp that these so called Buckley lovers will forever be indebted to what Buckley has achieved at the Collingwood football club as a player and supporter of the club, irrespective of his achievements (or lack of) as a coach.
 
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You seem to be suggesting that teams shouldn't change coaches because there is no guarantee that the new coach will do any better. I don't want to be disrespectful but this is one of the dumber arguments I've seen here on the board for a while.

We should never have sacked Tony Shaw.. he just had bad luck and needed more time yeah?

The argument from those who suggest coaching change is a lot simpler and much more sensible than the one you are trying to portray for them here; and somewhat disingenuously I think. To help you out.. it goes like this.. When something is not working, and has consistently not worked for 5 years, you might want to give some very serious consideration into looking at alternatives. You don't make any knee jerk decision and sack someone for the sake of it without doing due dilligence on an appropriate replacement. But 5 years is a long time in footy for a rookie coach to show absolutey zero improvement in a teams situation and outlook relative to the competition. Many posters here are rightly wondering how long you persist and when you pull the plug.

I haven't seen many suggesting that a new coach will automatically make the team a top 4 side; but when you have a five year sample size from the incumbent with no improvement, the option to look for a change is simply common sense. It is a bit sad that many of the Buckley lovers on the board can't see that this is actaully the sensible and logical position... and is nothing to do with "hating" Buckley. I'm glad you guys are not on the Collingwood Board because I can guarantee you they are going to be looking very closely at this very matter come the end of the year... I guess they all must be "haters" too.. including ED.
You have the makings of a fine politician bending the truth of what the so called Buckley lovers have been stating on this board; namely that there should a review of all football positions at the end of the year by the board and if the board sees fit to replace Buckley then so be it. It's just that you don't seem to grasp that these so called Buckley lovers will forever be indebted to what Buckley has achieved at the Collingwood football club as a player and supporter of the club, irrespective of his achievements (or lack of) as a coach.
 

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Hopefully he called him immoral, lacking facts, seeking clicks with his stories, unable to lay straight in bed, and called him on Essendon paying him to write positive stories on their behalf during the saga.

Other than that I can't see what Robbo could possibly be upset by. Anyway this is the Bucks thread and i digress.
Robbo asked Bucks if he had thought about putting all our players behind the ball in the last quarter to protect our 3 point lead.
Bucks responded "Have you thought about that question"
Robbo then cracked the shits got all sooky and said "Don't worry about it Nathan"
 

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Robbo asked Bucks if he had thought about putting all our players behind the ball in the last quarter to protect our 3 point lead.
Bucks responded "Have you thought about that question"
Robbo then cracked the shits got all sooky and said "Don't worry about it Nathan"
Stupid question but Buckley should have just answered it how he did in the press conference (when asked something similar)
 

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Stupid question but Buckley should have just answered it how he did in the press conference (when asked something similar)
Bucks asked him if he got that question off Twitter, because he said: "it wasn't well considered". :) Watching Bucks tear Robbo apart every week is cringe-worthy and great fun at the same time; like a slow-motion train wreck.
 

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Not sure if it has been discussed and I don't want to open a can of worms.

Watched the replay last night......What are peoples thoughts on Bucks interaction with Fasolo at 3 quarter time??

He "seemed" to me like he was challenging Fas to get back on the field.

It wasn't a good look IMO and Fas at one stage in the last qtr on the phone looked like he was in shock pleading his case!

Maybe those at the ground could explain it better.......or maybe I am reading too much into it :drunk:
Probably reading too much into it.
Cameras everywhere.
Can be as simple as
"How are you feeling, can you go on? Anyway, doctors will decide. Pity we love what you bring. But we not taking silly risks with you etc etc "

Or
"If you were Jon Snow no issues, but mother of dragons...."
 
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You seem to be suggesting that teams shouldn't change coaches because there is no guarantee that the new coach will do any better. I don't want to be disrespectful but this is one of the dumber arguments I've seen here on the board for a while.

We should never have sacked Tony Shaw.. he just had bad luck and needed more time yeah?

The argument from those who suggest coaching change is a lot simpler and much more sensible than the one you are trying to portray for them here; and somewhat disingenuously I think. To help you out.. it goes like this.. When something is not working, and has consistently not worked for 5 years, you might want to give some very serious consideration into looking at alternatives. You don't make any knee jerk decision and sack someone for the sake of it without doing due dilligence on an appropriate replacement. But 5 years is a long time in footy for a rookie coach to show absolutey zero improvement in a teams situation and outlook relative to the competition. Many posters here are rightly wondering how long you persist and when you pull the plug.

I haven't seen many suggesting that a new coach will automatically make the team a top 4 side; but when you have a five year sample size from the incumbent with no improvement, the option to look for a change is simply common sense. It is a bit sad that many of the Buckley lovers on the board can't see that this is actaully the sensible and logical position... and is nothing to do with "hating" Buckley. I'm glad you guys are not on the Collingwood Board because I can guarantee you they are going to be looking very closely at this very matter come the end of the year... I guess they all must be "haters" too.. including ED.
I really wish we could stop with the labels of "lovers" or "haters" when opinions aren't so (pardon the pun) black and white. For that matter, I think you have your descriptions of the factions backwards. This conversation started because Johnno suggested that if we get a new coach, we will be top 4. There was no reason, logic or factual information behind it and people rightfully questioned it.

Ironically it's the "lovers" who appear to be the sensible thinkers. I don't think that any aren't considering that there should be a review and possible change of coach at the end of the season. It's sensible and logical.

The thought process of: 1 New coach 2 start winning, is if anything, the most illogical and irrational thought in the argument. It's the Bolton/Beverage effect. Except that people don't seem to reference that for every Bolton, you have 2 Waters. For every Beverage, you have 2 Neelds. Three years ago it was the Hinkley effect and we can all see how that's working out.

If you can logically and rationally explain to me how a change of coach will improve the club's position, then I am on board, because I am yet to see one argument that doesn't have a giant plot hole in the middle of it.
 

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I really wish we could stop with the labels of "lovers" or "haters" when opinions aren't so (pardon the pun) black and white. For that matter, I think you have your descriptions of the factions backwards. This conversation started because Johnno suggested that if we get a new coach, we will be top 4. There was no reason, logic or factual information behind it and people rightfully questioned it.

Ironically it's the "lovers" who appear to be the sensible thinkers. I don't think that any aren't considering that there should be a review and possible change of coach at the end of the season. It's sensible and logical.

The thought process of: 1 New coach 2 start winning, is if anything, the most illogical and irrational thought in the argument. It's the Bolton/Beverage effect. Except that people don't seem to reference that for every Bolton, you have 2 Waters. For every Beverage, you have 2 Neelds. Three years ago it was the Hinkley effect and we can all see how that's working out.

If you can logically and rationally explain to me how a change of coach will improve the club's position, then I am on board, because I am yet to see one argument that doesn't have a giant plot hole in the middle of it.
I'm over the simplistic labelling too.
Good point.
 
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You have the makings of a fine politician bending the truth of what the so called Buckley lovers have been stating on this board; namely that there should a review of all football positions at the end of the year by the board and if the board sees fit to replace Buckley then so be it. It's just that you don't seem to grasp that these so called Buckley lovers will forever be indebted to what Buckley has achieved at the Collingwood football club as a player and supporter of the club, irrespective of his achievements (or lack of) as a coach.
"Buckley is my hero".. no need to post it twice.. wasn't worth reading the first time. I am a big admirer of Bucks.. but that has nothing to do with my view on him remaining as coach. What you guys don't seem to be able to grasp is that for many like me.. it's not about Buckley.. never has been, never will be. Some of us love the Collingwood Football Club and not so much the individuals who come and go through it. For us it's about Collingwood achieving success as an entity and adding to the trophy cabinet. We don't really give a shit who gets us there.. we just want someone who can.
 
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