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I said "plot hole" not pothole", referring to people who are saying that getting a new coach will fix everything. The plot hole is like what you said about just hoping that you achieve a better outcome. It's a huge call to oust the head coach which can have long reaching ramifications (good or bad). A decision that should be based on more than hope and the whole "Well, the last few years we have gone backwards" thinking. You have now said that after having 5 years of evidence, you are undecided what to do and are a week to week proposition, so the question probably doesn't apply to you but I will ask again next week in case you have changed your mind.

There are usually a few reasons why a club brings in a new coach.

The current coach has lost the desire and wants to hand over the reigns. (Roos, Thompson)

The current coach has lost the support of the playing group. (McCartney, Sanderson)

The club has decided they do not have a side capable of winning a premiership in the next few years and go the rebuild. (Clarkson, Hardwick)

A veteran coach wants to join the fray again and the club believes that they can get a premiership with their experience. (Malthouse, Lyon)

I'm sure there are more but those are the staples and looking at the side at this very moment, I don't think we fit any of those criteria though we may at the end of the season after extensive review. I know it's pretty irrational thinking, but I have always been a bit of a loose cannon.
Long response that adds nothing Jasper. The things you mention above are not central questions.. they are considerations. Notice you left out the obvious one.. The coach is unable to meet performance expectations.
 
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So you strongly think that luck, chance, the uncontrollable, is an indicator of performance and Jasper84 is the one with logic and rationality issues. OK :thumbsu:;)
Yeah... you wouldn't get it. You might want to try by reading some philosophy about luck and probability and the relationship their interaction has on the human psyche.

Actually maybe not.

Instead consider this simplification:
1. If you are consistently unlucky beyond normal probabilities then being unlucky has become your probability. You have heard the truism that in life you have to make your own luck yeah?

2. If you fail due to "bad luck or the uncontrollable"; or you fail due to incompetence... the outcome is exactly the same; you still fail just the same. Performance expectations can be adjusted in some circumstances for bad luck... but not for 5 years of consistent bad luck. A fail is still a fail.. doesn't matter how it's come about. People aren't usually given infinite time to turn their luck around and hence you will indeed find that people are often judged by their ill fortune... and that ill fortune becomes part of their performance appraisal; like it or not. That IS rational and logical. Suggesting, as you seem to, that consistent ill-fortune is not a valid consideration when assessing performance is an irrational nonsense. Coaches are judged on outcomes, not the quality of their excuses for failure.
 

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TBH, Bucks has made his point and continuing to treat slobbo with contempt is below him. It's time he moved on.
Agree with this. I was going to make a similar remark.
Personally I don't like the way Bucks treats everything Robbo asks with contempt. We may not like Robbo but at the end of the day he is asking questions that he believes listeners will be interested in hearing the views of a Coach.
Just answer the question without being a dick Bucks. Robbo asks stupid questions to all the quests on the show, but you don't see the rest of them acting in the manner Bucks is.
If the question is stupid just answer it by explaining why the idea or thought doesn't work in real life. Belittling Robbo for every thing he says just makes Bucks look like an arsehole.
And this has nothing to do with the drugs report at the start of the year. Bucks was behaving in a similar manner last year.
 
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Agree with this. I was going to make a similar remark.
Personally I don't like the way Bucks treats everything Robbo asks with contempt. We may not like Robbo but at the end of the day he is asking questions that he believes listeners will be interested in hearing the views of a Coach.
Just answer the question without being a dick Bucks. Robbo asks stupid questions to all the quests on the show, but you don't see the rest of them acting in the manner Bucks is.
If the question is stupid just answer it by explaining why the idea or thought doesn't work in real life. Belittling Robbo for every thing he says just makes Bucks look like an arsehole.
And this has nothing to do with the drugs report at the start of the year. Bucks was behaving in a similar manner last year.
Do you think perhaps that this might have something to do with the targeted nature and timing of the drugs report?.. i.e Robbo's deliberate way of hitting back for being treated like this?
 

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Do you think perhaps that this might have something to do with the targeted nature and timing of the drugs report?.. i.e Robbo's deliberate way of hitting back for being treated like this?
Interesting thought, but I doubt Robbo has the brain capacity to come up with such a scheme.
I think the drug report is more a reflection of reporting in the modern age than anything else. All about sensationalising and click baits.
5000 people can die in an earthquake and the leading headline for the day will be about Beyonce having a public argument with Justin Bieber.
 

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Yeah, I'm a bit over Bucks on AFL 360. Last year I enjoyed it, and relished his interchanges with Robbo. But this year our coach is being a bit churlish and its not a good look. If he has agreed to be on the program, then to some extent he needs to play the game.

This is a separate issue to Robbo's questionable journalism and him throwing us under the bus on the eve of the season. I have a long memory for slights and crimes against the Collingwood Football Club, and I will never forgive or forget what he did.
 
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Interesting thought, but I doubt Robbo has the brain capacity to come up with such a scheme.
I think the drug report is more a reflection of reporting in the modern age than anything else. All about sensationalising and click baits.
5000 people can die in an earthquake and the leading headline for the day will be about Beyonce having a public argument with Justin Bieber.
I just watched 360. Didn't think Bucks did much wrong really. He was just feeling a bit defensive over the question about rolling back to defend against the dogs in the last qtr. Nothing in it for me.
 

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Agree with this. I was going to make a similar remark.
Personally I don't like the way Bucks treats everything Robbo asks with contempt. We may not like Robbo but at the end of the day he is asking questions that he believes listeners will be interested in hearing the views of a Coach.
Just answer the question without being a dick Bucks. Robbo asks stupid questions to all the quests on the show, but you don't see the rest of them acting in the manner Bucks is.
If the question is stupid just answer it by explaining why the idea or thought doesn't work in real life. Belittling Robbo for every thing he says just makes Bucks look like an arsehole.
And this has nothing to do with the drugs report at the start of the year. Bucks was behaving in a similar manner last year.
it may reflect the fact that bucks might have recast himself as a teacher, he still is a victim to his personality and the way he was raised...
 

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Yeah, I'm a bit over Bucks on AFL 360. Last year I enjoyed it, and relished his interchanges with Robbo. But this year our coach is being a bit churlish and its not a good look. If he has agreed to be on the program, then to some extent he needs to play the game.

This is a separate issue to Robbo's questionable journalism and him throwing us under the bus on the eve of the season. I have a long memory for slights and crimes against the Collingwood Football Club, and I will never forgive or forget what he did.
this sums it up for me.
 

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You might argue the point that we should improve our "luck" by trading players who get injured a lot. Or by picking players who are less prone to injury..... or by employing recruiters who put more weight on how robust a player is.... where does the luck start?
 

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You might argue the point that we should improve our "luck" by trading players who get injured a lot. Or by picking players who are less prone to injury..... or by employing recruiters who put more weight on how robust a player is.... where does the luck start?
at quarterback, of course

 

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Agree with this. I was going to make a similar remark.
Personally I don't like the way Bucks treats everything Robbo asks with contempt. We may not like Robbo but at the end of the day he is asking questions that he believes listeners will be interested in hearing the views of a Coach.
Just answer the question without being a dick Bucks. Robbo asks stupid questions to all the quests on the show, but you don't see the rest of them acting in the manner Bucks is.
If the question is stupid just answer it by explaining why the idea or thought doesn't work in real life. Belittling Robbo for every thing he says just makes Bucks look like an arsehole.
And this has nothing to do with the drugs report at the start of the year. Bucks was behaving in a similar manner last year.
Nah I'm with Bucks - Robbo is not deserving of basic human respect.
 

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I really wish we could stop with the labels of "lovers" or "haters" when opinions aren't so (pardon the pun) black and white. For that matter, I think you have your descriptions of the factions backwards. This conversation started because Johnno suggested that if we get a new coach, we will be top 4. There was no reason, logic or factual information behind it and people rightfully questioned it.

Ironically it's the "lovers" who appear to be the sensible thinkers. I don't think that any aren't considering that there should be a review and possible change of coach at the end of the season. It's sensible and logical.

The thought process of: 1 New coach 2 start winning, is if anything, the most illogical and irrational thought in the argument. It's the Bolton/Beverage effect. Except that people don't seem to reference that for every Bolton, you have 2 Waters. For every Beverage, you have 2 Neelds. Three years ago it was the Hinkley effect and we can all see how that's working out.

If you can logically and rationally explain to me how a change of coach will improve the club's position, then I am on board, because I am yet to see one argument that doesn't have a giant plot hole in the middle of it.
I was going to respond with something like this but much more sarcastic and or narky.

Too many sack this guy, sack those guys, sack whoever isn't doing enough sacking! Then claims that there is any significant amount of constructive criticism compared to the amount of mindless venting. It's mind numbing.
 

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I was going to respond with something like this but much more sarcastic and or narky.

Too many sack this guy, sack those guys, sack whoever isn't doing enough sacking! Then claims that there is any significant amount of constructive criticism compared to the amount of mindless venting. It's mind numbing.
Sack Bucks for not sacking Cloke he is not worth the money we are paying him.....no wait sack Bucks for not playing Cloke
 

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Sack Bucks for not sacking Cloke he is not worth the money we are paying him.....no wait sack Bucks for not playing Cloke
Cloke is now part of a succession plan to become a specialist goal kicking coach on at least twice the money, rumour has it he is going to Carlton though.
 
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