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Oh c'mon, irrespective of one's opinion of Buckley, since when has anybody taken any notice of Damian Barrett's analysis???

Google "confirmation bias".

Barrett's role in the footy industry is purely to be the the goto person for anybody who needs to peddle a rumour to further a cause. It's an awful way to make a living, but we all need to put food on the table and a roof over our heads.

Anything approaching analysis or opinions is way outside of Barrett's job description.
 
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2014 was the season I had problems with too.. What a waste it was. So many nothing games given to Dwyer, young and Armstrong. Harder to watch than 2005 for me personally.
We seem to have a knack of putting games into players that will never be there long term to repay that experience. Dwyer, Young and Armstrong seem to reflect poor recruiting, giving them so many games just salt in the wound.
 

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In that case I look forward to our next coach improving the list's kicking skills.

I don't agree. Buckley has identified contested ball as one of the key correlation stats for when we win. No one outside he club knows the others but, just like the motivation quote, some have taken it and run with it.

FWIW I don't care who coaches us. I'm just not prepared to conclude that, just because Bucks talks about contested ball a lot, he focuses on that at the expense of skills; among other leaps in logic.

Pendles can still kick because he has talent, experience and maturity. I'm more incline to think our list lacks that.

Maybe he should have recruited better so if he's sacked for that so be it. Because the buck stops with the coach right?
You have articulated it well.
Essentially every ill in the club is Nathan's fault,
Everything good is only the players own inner drive.
 

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Oh c'mon, irrespective of one's opinion of Buckley, since when has anybody taken any notice of Damian Barrett's analysis???

Google "confirmation bias".

Barrett's role in the footy industry is purely to be the the goto person for anybody who needs to peddle a rumour to further a cause. It's an awful way to make a living, but we all need to put food on the table and a roof over our heads.

Anything approaching analysis or opinions is way outside of Barrett's job description.
I maintain that the points raised were... simply... appealing.
 

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The worst thing about Pendles injury is that it gives Buckley another out for results in the remaining games.
Umm no. The worst thing about Pendles being injured is that our captain and best player is stuck on the side line, desperate to respresent our club despite the season being over.

The second worst thing is that people like you see a champion being hurt as a coaching political tool.
 

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Umm no. The worst thing about Pendles being injured is that our captain and best player is stuck on the side line, desperate to respresent our club despite the season being over.

The second worst thing is that people like you see a champion being hurt as a coaching political tool.
I agree with your point but gee you've got a bit of campaigner about the way you reply to people and their opinions.
 

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This is how I would rate our seasons under Buckley so far;
2012 - pass, I believe we could have won the flag in 2012 but we got injuries as did a few other teams in a pretty even year, Sydney had a good run with injuries and was the last team standing that year.
2013 - Fail, disappointing season with short and abrupt finals campaign while having a team that should have at least been able to beat port at the MCG.
2014 - Fail, shocking season with awful team selection round after round. A nothing season.
2015 - Pass, did better than expected and got some time into exciting players like Crisp, Degoey, Moore and Scharenberg. The second half of the season wasn't great but would still call the whole year a pass.
2016 - Fail, after a promising 2015 and exciting off season needed to take the next step and failed. No finals. Wasn't as bad as 2014 as we got game time into players that are actually gonna be around in 5 years time.

I suspect Bucks will be given 2017 to prove himself, hopefully he has a fully fit list at his disposal. We really need to see big improvements next year.
 

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You have articulated it well.
Essentially every ill in the club is Nathan's fault,
Everything good is only the players own inner drive.
You can't sack 40 players. It's the coach who gets the arse when the results are not up to scratch. That's the way it is.
 

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This is how I would rate our seasons under Buckley so far;
2012 - pass, I believe we could have won the flag in 2012 but we got injuries as did a few other teams in a pretty even year, Sydney had a good run with injuries and was the last team standing that year.
2013 - Fail, disappointing season with short and abrupt finals campaign while having a team that should have at least been able to beat port at the MCG.
2014 - Fail, shocking season with awful team selection round after round. A nothing season.
2015 - Pass, did better than expected and got some time into exciting players like Crisp, Degoey, Moore and Scharenberg. The second half of the season wasn't great but would still call the whole year a pass.
2016 - Fail, after a promising 2015 and exciting off season needed to take the next step and failed. No finals. Wasn't as bad as 2014 as we got game time into players that are actually gonna be around in 5 years time.

I suspect Bucks will be given 2017 to prove himself, hopefully he has a fully fit list at his disposal. We really need to see big improvements next year.
Appreciate your analysis but the only season that matters in that list is 2016.
 

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You can't sack 40 players. It's the coach who gets the arse when the results are not up to scratch. That's the way it is.
Not at Collingwood though. Here everyone who is not a Buckley puppet else gets traded, delisted or left to rot in the reserves. It always someone elses fault why we are so s##t!!!!
 

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Sad to see how far people will go in their hatred.
It's not hatred, nobody hates Bucks. We just disagree on whether he is the right man to take us forward and frustration spills over after games like this weekend's one.
IMO to be retaining Buckley instead of doing everything we can to convince a gun coach like Paul Roos to coach us is absolutely bizarre.
Isn't the eternal objective to make every possible move in order to strengthen our club ?
 

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It's not hatred, nobody hates Bucks. We just disagree on whether he is the right man to take us forward and frustration spills over after games like this weekend's one.
IMO to be retaining Buckley instead of doing everything we can to convince a gun coach like Paul Roos to coach us is absolutely bizarre.
Isn't the eternal objective to make every possible move in order to strengthen our club ?
Sacking Bucks doesn't bring Roos closer I would have thought and only undermines our own position rather then strengthen it.
 

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It's not hatred, nobody hates Bucks. We just disagree on whether he is the right man to take us forward and frustration spills over after games like this weekend's one.
IMO to be retaining Buckley instead of doing everything we can to convince a gun coach like Paul Roos to coach us is absolutely bizarre.
Isn't the eternal objective to make every possible move in order to strengthen our club ?
I certainly hope that informal approaches have already been made. Getting Roos would be huge.
 

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Do you want us to follow the St Kilda model? It's ok if you do but it involves following a system that this board would lose their collective shit over.

2008 to 2011 St Kilda were in premiership contention. 2 years or so before us. After that they realised that the list needed to be turned over and they bottomed out hard. Traded favourite sons, picked up wooden spoons, they bombed in a big way for several years.

If the system is correct, St Kilda should be going past us right now. The question is, do you really think you could of kept your composure together and not called for mass sackings while we sat at the bottom of the ladder? I doubt it.
I think you've missed a critical element. Communication!

St Kilda communicated to the members that they were in for pain whereas Pert and Ed have gone out of their way over the past 3 years to assure us we're on the rise.

That sets the bar for the supporters. Now that the club has failed in those expectations three years running some have rightfully had enough (dropping 15,000 members should be proof enough).

I don't think it's an issue that they've had big aspirations in fact I prefer it and i would have discouraged the St Kilda path. My issue is that they haven't acknowledged how far away we still are and owned the mistakes we've made along the way. That's what strong leaders do they know when they've erred and then go about fixing it. Aside from Ed's outburst post Carlton what have we heard from club leaders this year that stated we'd be premiers by 2017? Seriously I haven't heard Pert comment publicly this year aside from the illicit drug issue and the Netball franchise debacle. The only positive he's brought to the club in 2016 was the women's AFL team.
 

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I agree with your point but gee you've got a bit of campaigner about the way you reply to people and their opinions.
I can be abrasive, snide and condescending with my replies at times. I can admit that. One thing I haven't done however - despite some of the ridiculous posts I have read - is call another poster the C bomb (we all know what "campaigner" means). But each to their own I guess.
 

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I can be abrasive, snide and condescending with my replies at times. I can admit that. One thing I haven't done however - despite some of the ridiculous posts I have read - is call another poster the C bomb (we all know what "campaigner" means). But each to their own I guess.
Well said.
I think it's pretty ordinary calling someone that too.
 

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I think you've missed a critical element. Communication!

St Kilda communicated to the members that they were in for pain whereas Pert and Ed have gone out of their way over the past 3 years to assure us we're on the rise.

That sets the bar for the supporters. Now that the club has failed in those expectations three years running some have rightfully had enough (dropping 15,000 members should be proof enough).

I don't think it's an issue that they've had big aspirations in fact I prefer it and i would have discouraged the St Kilda path. My issue is that they haven't acknowledged how far away we still are and owned the mistakes we've made along the way. That's what strong leaders do they know when they've erred and then go about fixing it. Aside from Ed's outburst post Carlton what have we heard from club leaders this year that stated we'd be premiers by 2017? Seriously I haven't heard Pert comment publicly this year aside from the illicit drug issue and the Netball franchise debacle. The only positive he's brought to the club in 2016 was the women's AFL team.
Don't think I would credit him for the Women's AFL team. Think it was a given.
 
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