Autopsy The 2017 AFL Grand Final - What did you like, learn or hate?

[hutstar]

Imagine my devastation....

You've sure put a lot of effort into being not-devastated. Every post is just delicious though, so keep at it.

 

[Black Saab]

learned that the crows are a tease. have the 4th best win/loss percentage over the past decade (behind superclubs hawthorn, sydney, geelong) but have nothing to show for. only team with sydney that have never lost to gold coast and have only lost to the giants once. nothing to show for. bookmark finishing 5th next year.

Wow, that is an incredible but of history. I could well understand the massive disappointment for losing this GF.

 

[DrMike]

Richmond have a lot of likeable lads ! Jack Riewoldt is a star , glad to see him win one.
Dusty , didn't deserve the Norm but f..k who cares , the whole mob just destroyed us .
Also , big fan of Dimma , Leppa and Balmey , the mix was right .
Well done Tigeys .

Don't forget Truck!

 

[kranky al]

You've sure put a lot of effort into being not-devastated. Every post is just delicious though, so keep at it.

Put 2 hungy on your lot

As soon as i thought you had done enough to win against gws. Was cheering you home bud. Was supporting you anyway - got nothing against richmond as a team and you guys have waited so long and been so staunch as supporters.

doesnt change the unfairness though. Vic teams - esp mcg tenants have a leg up. It still truly isnt a national league - its the vfl - trying to expand whilst doing the best it can to look after victorian clubs at the expense of interstate clubs in footy states.

And unless we keep bringing attention to it - the afl will just keep doing what its doing - because what ever changes when people say nothing?

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Leaned:

GF Winner Last 5 Years:
Richmond
Western Bulldogs
Hawks
Hawks
Hawks

GF Runner Ups:
Adelaide
Sydney
West Coast
Sydney
Fremantle


The odds on that must be in the millions...

Ground Control... we have just lost cabin pressure... Huston... we have a problem.

So, it's bad now, but

1992 West Coast Geelong (6) 16.17 (113) d. 12.13 (85) Melbourne Cricket Ground 95,007 26 September 1992
1993 Essendon (15) Carlton (12) 20.13 (133) d. 13.11 (89) Melbourne Cricket Ground 96,862 25 September 1993
1994 West Coast (2) Geelong (7) 20.23 (143) d. 8.15 (63) Melbourne Cricket Ground 93,860 1 October 1994
1995 Carlton (16) Geelong (8) 21.15 (141) d. 11.14 (80) Melbourne Cricket Ground 93,670 30 September 1995
1996 North Melbourne (3) Sydney (9) 19.17 (131) d. 13.10 (88) Melbourne Cricket Ground 93,102 28 September 1996
1997 Adelaide St Kilda (4) 19.11 (125) d. 13.16 (94) Melbourne Cricket Ground 99,645 27 September 1997
1998 Adelaide (2) North Melbourne (5) 15.15 (105) d. 8.22 (70) Melbourne Cricket Ground 94,431 26 September 1998
1999 North Melbourne (4) Carlton (13) 19.10 (124) d. 12.17 (89) Melbourne Cricket Ground 94,228 25 September 1999
2000 Essendon (16) Melbourne (5) 19.21 (135) d. 11.9 (75) Melbourne Cricket Ground 96,249 2 September 2000
2001 Brisbane Lions Essendon (14) 15.18 (108) d. 12.10 (82) Melbourne Cricket Ground 91,482 29 September 2001
2002 Brisbane Lions (2) Collingwood (24) 10.15 (75) d. 9.12 (66) Melbourne Cricket Ground 91,817 28 September 2002
2003 Brisbane Lions (3) Collingwood (25) 20.14 (134) d. 12.12 (84) Melbourne Cricket Ground 79,451 27 September 2003
2004 Port Adelaide Brisbane Lions 17.11 (113) d. 10.13 (73) Melbourne Cricket Ground 77,671 25 September 2004
2005 Sydney (4) West Coast (2) 8.10 (58) d. 7.12 (54) Melbourne Cricket Ground 91,828 24 September 2005
2006 West Coast (3) Sydney (10) 12.13 (85) d. 12.12 (84) Melbourne Cricket Ground 97,431 30 September 2006

10 in a 15 year period interstate, 7 against Vic opposition.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Well said. I agree entirely although I do believe clubs should be lobbying the AFL too. But certainly the football dept need to be focussed on winning the flag.

Let me tell you a story about the 'e' in Hawthorn.

On the weekend I broke my Samsung and instead of upgrading I got the Huawei P9 that my work gave to me last year to promote. This phone is actually a lot better than many people think but one completely shitty feature is it's keyboard. It's awful and the only thing worse is it's predictive text.

Anyway, cool story bro moment I know but the moral of the story is you are right there is no e in Hawthorn. Unless you are Huawei.

Gotta huawei, the keyboard and predictive text is the only dud thing about the phone

 

[Outback Footy]

Congrant on your brand new vfl premiership - how manys that now?

Let it go FFS. This "Victorian conspiracy theory" is so bloody boring.

You choose to support a team in a competition with known rules. You don't think those rules suit your team. Change teams or stop supporting a league that doesn't fit your agenda. Accept the rules or FO. The Leagues not gonna change to suit you so suck it up princess.

 

[WilloTree]

So, it's bad now, but

1992 West Coast Geelong (6) 16.17 (113) d. 12.13 (85) Melbourne Cricket Ground 95,007 26 September 1992
1993 Essendon (15) Carlton (12) 20.13 (133) d. 13.11 (89) Melbourne Cricket Ground 96,862 25 September 1993
1994 West Coast (2) Geelong (7) 20.23 (143) d. 8.15 (63) Melbourne Cricket Ground 93,860 1 October 1994
1995 Carlton (16) Geelong (8) 21.15 (141) d. 11.14 (80) Melbourne Cricket Ground 93,670 30 September 1995
1996 North Melbourne (3) Sydney (9) 19.17 (131) d. 13.10 (88) Melbourne Cricket Ground 93,102 28 September 1996
1997 Adelaide St Kilda (4) 19.11 (125) d. 13.16 (94) Melbourne Cricket Ground 99,645 27 September 1997
1998 Adelaide (2) North Melbourne (5) 15.15 (105) d. 8.22 (70) Melbourne Cricket Ground 94,431 26 September 1998
1999 North Melbourne (4) Carlton (13) 19.10 (124) d. 12.17 (89) Melbourne Cricket Ground 94,228 25 September 1999
2000 Essendon (16) Melbourne (5) 19.21 (135) d. 11.9 (75) Melbourne Cricket Ground 96,249 2 September 2000
2001 Brisbane Lions Essendon (14) 15.18 (108) d. 12.10 (82) Melbourne Cricket Ground 91,482 29 September 2001
2002 Brisbane Lions (2) Collingwood (24) 10.15 (75) d. 9.12 (66) Melbourne Cricket Ground 91,817 28 September 2002
2003 Brisbane Lions (3) Collingwood (25) 20.14 (134) d. 12.12 (84) Melbourne Cricket Ground 79,451 27 September 2003
2004 Port Adelaide Brisbane Lions 17.11 (113) d. 10.13 (73) Melbourne Cricket Ground 77,671 25 September 2004
2005 Sydney (4) West Coast (2) 8.10 (58) d. 7.12 (54) Melbourne Cricket Ground 91,828 24 September 2005
2006 West Coast (3) Sydney (10) 12.13 (85) d. 12.12 (84) Melbourne Cricket Ground 97,431 30 September 2006

10 in a 15 year period interstate, 7 against Vic opposition.

Interesting reading.

From 92 - 06, interstate teams were winning premierships (10 of 15).
then...9 of the next 10 premierships were won by Victorian clubs..

.. holy cow. What happened between 06 and 07?

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Interesting reading.

From 92 - 06, interstate teams were winning premierships (10 of 15).
then...9 of the next 10 premierships were won by Victorian clubs..

.. holy cow. What happened between 06 and 07?

Honestly just think it's cyclical.

I would have thought if it was an MCG/away struggle, that being a more professional sport than 20-30 years ago, it would be less of an issue. Especially with a reasonably split crowd on GF day compared to a H&A.

 

[WilloTree]

Lols suck it up. That's what happens when you don't live in the city the sport originated. If there was a biggest bogan competition do you think anyone from Melbourne would complain if it was based in Perth? Of course not.

This pretty much sums up what sh*ts me about Tigers fans.

 

[WilloTree]

Honestly just think it's cyclical.

I would have thought if it was an MCG/away struggle, that being a more professional sport than 20-30 years ago, it would be less of an issue. Especially with a reasonably split crowd on GF day compared to a H&A.

You're probably right. However, if Melbourne or St Kilda win it next year I'm making a tin foil hat and cutting clippings from the newspaper to make codes to pin up on my wall.

 

[kranky al]

Let it go FFS. This "Victorian conspiracy theory" is so bloody boring.

You choose to support a team in a competition with known rules. You don't think those rules suit your team. Change teams or stop supporting a league that doesn't fit your agenda. Accept the rules or FO. The Leagues not gonna change to suit you so suck it up princess.

Actually the league - after public outcry HAS changed things

When we had to play home finals in melbourne - after a few the public outcry in wa and sa was so loud that they changed it - despite the contract with the g demanding so many finals in melb. At first the vfl said it was impossible - which is almost always their first response. Then after prodding they found a compromise based on the fact that there is generally more finals played in melbourne than is required by the contract so they “banked” finals for years where there was less finals played there.

Theres been quite a few things changed after public outcry.

I can tell you something for certain - nothing changes if we dont speak up.


Get back in yer box dog

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

1 flag to 3. Yep you definitely have more than us you flog.

32 to 3 actually.

That's what happens when a club has history and isn't manufactured from dust.

Richmond at all levels has won 32 premierships, Melbourne 33, Carlton 34 and Essendon 35.

 

[Benny78]

I said a few weeks ago Pyke is an amatuer and coaching would be their weakness. I learned that I was correct in the end.

 

[kranky al]

32 to 3 actually.

That's what happens when a club has history and isn't manufactured from dust.

Richmond at all levels has won 32 premierships, Melbourne 33, Carlton 34 and Essendon 35.

Thats nice sweetie

But you have one afl flag - suburban flags are cute but

Gives you something to talk about with your vic mates

 

[ep2018]

32 to 3 actually.

That's what happens when a club has history and isn't manufactured from dust.

Richmond at all levels has won 32 premierships, Melbourne 33, Carlton 34 and Essendon 35.

This is the AFL champ. Your 31 other flags are irrelevant.

 

[MinerBoy]

Yeah and I do agree with you to an extent. It's black and white that the team that wins the flag can claim to be best in the comp because that's the objective of the comp.

But it's also pretty clear that the best team across the season doesn't always peak on the last Saturday in September.

And that's the difference. Much like the Bulldogs in 2016, Richmond were the best team in September, albeit not the best team across the year.

Richmond were every bit as good as Adelaide through the season. Two bad losses and could have won any of the others that they did lose. Finished a smidge off the top as it was and could easily have finished top had they won any of those.

They didn't, but they probably learnt and improved from them. The Crows finishing higher though weren't a street ahead of them. It's not like the Tigers finished 7th a mile from 1st.

 

[MinerBoy]

And the umpiring in the first half. Richmond were the better team and deserved the win, no question.. but that umpiring was out of control in the first half.

Umpiring was fine. In fact one of the better games I've seen umpired this year. Had no impact at all and was at no stage out of control. No side was advantaged and despite the odd free or missed free that's debatable/borderline (like every game) there was no where near the usual array of shockers we've seen during the season.

Umpires shouldn't even be mentioned in relation to this game.

 

[MightyTiger]

Actually the league - after public outcry HAS changed things

When we had to play home finals in melbourne - after a few the public outcry in wa and sa was so loud that they changed it - despite the contract with the g demanding so many finals in melb. At first the vfl said it was impossible - which is almost always their first response. Then after prodding they found a compromise based on the fact that there is generally more finals played in melbourne than is required by the contract so they “banked” finals for years where there was less finals played there.

Theres been quite a few things changed after public outcry.

I can tell you something for certain - nothing changes if we dont speak up.


Get back in yer box dog

 

[Judd2Sewell]

32 to 3 actually.

That's what happens when a club has history and isn't manufactured from dust.

Richmond at all levels has won 32 premierships, Melbourne 33, Carlton 34 and Essendon 35.

No one give two shiny shits about your 'flags' from 100+ years ago. You weren't alive to see them so they mean nothing to you (beyond you trying to use them in a tiny knob measuring contest), and especially not to us.

The real count in the AFL-era has you at 1. Enjoy it, but your 'history riddled' club has to triple that count to be even with WCE.

 

[kranky al]

No one give two shiny shits about your 'flags' from 100+ years ago. You weren't alive to see them so they mean nothing to you (beyond you trying to use them in a tiny knob measuring contest), and especially not to us.

The real count in the AFL-era has you at 1. Enjoy it, but your 'history riddled' club has to triple that count to be even with WCE.

 

[gavaniacono]

So, it's bad now, but

1992 West Coast Geelong (6) 16.17 (113) d. 12.13 (85) Melbourne Cricket Ground 95,007 26 September 1992
1993 Essendon (15) Carlton (12) 20.13 (133) d. 13.11 (89) Melbourne Cricket Ground 96,862 25 September 1993
1994 West Coast (2) Geelong (7) 20.23 (143) d. 8.15 (63) Melbourne Cricket Ground 93,860 1 October 1994
1995 Carlton (16) Geelong (8) 21.15 (141) d. 11.14 (80) Melbourne Cricket Ground 93,670 30 September 1995
1996 North Melbourne (3) Sydney (9) 19.17 (131) d. 13.10 (88) Melbourne Cricket Ground 93,102 28 September 1996
1997 Adelaide St Kilda (4) 19.11 (125) d. 13.16 (94) Melbourne Cricket Ground 99,645 27 September 1997
1998 Adelaide (2) North Melbourne (5) 15.15 (105) d. 8.22 (70) Melbourne Cricket Ground 94,431 26 September 1998
1999 North Melbourne (4) Carlton (13) 19.10 (124) d. 12.17 (89) Melbourne Cricket Ground 94,228 25 September 1999
2000 Essendon (16) Melbourne (5) 19.21 (135) d. 11.9 (75) Melbourne Cricket Ground 96,249 2 September 2000
2001 Brisbane Lions Essendon (14) 15.18 (108) d. 12.10 (82) Melbourne Cricket Ground 91,482 29 September 2001
2002 Brisbane Lions (2) Collingwood (24) 10.15 (75) d. 9.12 (66) Melbourne Cricket Ground 91,817 28 September 2002
2003 Brisbane Lions (3) Collingwood (25) 20.14 (134) d. 12.12 (84) Melbourne Cricket Ground 79,451 27 September 2003
2004 Port Adelaide Brisbane Lions 17.11 (113) d. 10.13 (73) Melbourne Cricket Ground 77,671 25 September 2004
2005 Sydney (4) West Coast (2) 8.10 (58) d. 7.12 (54) Melbourne Cricket Ground 91,828 24 September 2005
2006 West Coast (3) Sydney (10) 12.13 (85) d. 12.12 (84) Melbourne Cricket Ground 97,431 30 September 2006

10 in a 15 year period interstate, 7 against Vic opposition.

Call the army!
Better still, call Balmey!

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

No one give two shiny shits about your 'flags' from 100+ years ago. You weren't alive to see them so they mean nothing to you (beyond you trying to use them in a tiny knob measuring contest), and especially not to us.

The real count in the AFL-era has you at 1. Enjoy it, but your 'history riddled' club has to triple that count to be even with WCE.

I wasn't old enough to remember 92 or 94. As far as your logic goes it's Richmond 1, West Coast 1. That's how it works right? Who gives a s**t about stuff that happened when I was 3.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Lost to the dogs - lost to geelong.

You beat 5th 14th 15th 17th 18th away from the g

You lost to 1st 2nd 4th 10th 11th away from the g

Compare that to a real premiership side like the hawks and it looks really poor.

Compare it to how dominant interstate an interstate side has to be to win a granny and it looks like an 8th placed team

Sorry mate, but Richmond's premiership is every bit as real as Hawthorn's. I know it might take few weeks or even months to adjust to, but Richmond are the current premiers.

 

[tigerwill]

1 flag to 3. Yep you definitely have more than us you flog.

Re-read what was written numb nuts. Obviously comprehension isn't your strong point.