Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

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Should beat Essendon. They are iffy imo.

After that we will inevitably beat Geelong using tactics that for some reason match up well and work against them. Hopefully that is the fillet Buckley needs to scrap the crap game plan of the first 4 weeks and let the Geelong game plan loose. All or nothing.

IMO Buckley not only needs to make finals but win 1 to keep the job.
 
Scodog10 said:
Sorry for the further interjection, but I got thinking about a post from a couple of days ago from someone that had "seen it all before". I believe it was either Countrypie or left at home, apologies if it wasn't either of you.

What it got me thinking on was have you really? The reason I say that is come round 22 if Buckley hangs on he will hold the record at Collingwood for the most games coached consecutively without a final (shared with Tony Shaw). In that instance whilst on the surface yes you have seen it before, but that POV doesn't take in mind what was done to right the ship previously.

Going further back I doubt anyone on here was born pre WW2? Therefore I'll stick to the 4 lowest ebbs since then to highlight how low we were and what was done as a result. Weideman 75-76 with a record of 19-26 and our first ever wooden spoon sacked after that season Hafey has us play in 5 GF's over the next five years. Shaw 96-99 with a record of 30-58 sacked post the wooden spoon MM comes in and within three seasons coaches us to 2 GF's. MM 05-06 with a record of 12-32 survives by the skin of his teeth when his results over the preceding years were quite similar to Buckley's years (really survives on reputation and the injury excuse). Buckley 14-16 with a record of 30-36 survives by the skin of his teeth (again the injury excuse lingers) then goes into 2017 it's a healthy list only to have us 1-3 after the first month.

The lesson for me out of it is that where we would once make the change we are now more prepared to see things out. The issue is that at some point you need to realise you're on the wrong horse and whilst you may believe we've seen it all before past results are never an indicator of future growth. Buckley's record since the bye of 2015 is 12-25 we go back a year further and it's 18-34 so from both those points he has 34-35% winning ratio. The time has come for pre McGuire style decision making we just need to find the right time either immediately or at years end. I'm not going to speculate on a replacement long term I just don't want to see Burns or Sando in the drivers seat because of the temptation to hire them if we see the dead cat bounce. The old regime needs to be stripped clean when it comes the crunch.

Edit: FiloBeddoe Dew was pulled out of roles pre 2015 due to his wife's position as the weather presenter at 7 (like Cronk I think he thought it was crucial to support her career after she had put him first for so long). She than had a child that year and I believe he held back from interviewing for roles following that due to the child being as young as he was.

I think you'll find he'all have his hat in the ring this year and beyond. Is he the right candidate? IDK, but I believe he'll be in the mix for us when the time comes.
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I would say it was both of us, and country pie articulate better than l ever could. You could also say that the team 67-68 was average as well, then there was also some pretty ordinary admin changes thrown in over that time period leading to finally Eddie getting control over the club
I know you think that l am totally pro Buckley, but l am not. People say he has had five years plus and that's true, but we made finals in the first two, then the club changed tact and that's were l have looked at it from.
This year is the year for me if we don't play finals l believe at the end of the year he will be gone or should be as bucks himself has put it out there.
The season is still young yet and teams have turnd it around, but the olds of it are against it
If we have a new coach next year, l like the idea of a dew type for next year , but after due process is followed. A young coach rather than one that's Just filling in.
I just don't believe sacking any one early or mid season helps a club long term.
 
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None of our Coaches be good enough to Coach AusKick
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They all have to coach to the senior coaches game plan Dave. That is why we get the same results. Can't score & easy goals conceded. Both VFL & AFL.
It seems Bucks has tweaked the game plan this year & managed to make us even worse & far more boring.
We could have Buddy, Lynch & Betts in our forward line & still couldn't kick a winning score.

Because the current coach still believes his game plan is the correct one, we wont be seeing change until 2018.

My god just wait until the Crows get hold of us.
 
jmac70 said:
You know things are going badly when people vent against the senior coach after round 2 of the VFL.
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The fact that that team in the VFL has some serious talent & can only kick 5 goals into the last quarter says we are going bad.
Scraping home against Coburg says we are going bad. Watch any AFL game that should tell you the same story.
What is there to like about where we are as a club right now?
 
frizzle said:
The fact that that team in the VFL has some serious talent & can only kick 5 goals into the last quarter says we are going bad.
Scraping home against Coburg says we are going bad. Watch any AFL game that should tell you the same story.
What is there to like about where we are as a club right now?
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I'll let you know at 7pm on Tuesday.
 
frizzle said:
They all have to coach to the senior coaches game plan Dave. That is why we get the same results. Can't score & easy goals conceded. Both VFL & AFL.
It seems Bucks has tweaked the game plan this year & managed to make us even worse & far more boring.
We could have Buddy, Lynch & Betts in our forward line & still couldn't kick a winning score.

Because the current coach still believes his game plan is the correct one, we wont be seeing change until 2018.

My god just wait until the Crows get hold of us.
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Yes we will.. bye bye Buckley bye bye.
 

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frizzle said:
They all have to coach to the senior coaches game plan Dave. That is why we get the same results. Can't score & easy goals conceded. Both VFL & AFL.
It seems Bucks has tweaked the game plan this year & managed to make us even worse & far more boring.
We could have Buddy, Lynch & Betts in our forward line & still couldn't kick a winning score.

Because the current coach still believes his game plan is the correct one, we wont be seeing change until 2018.

My god just wait until the Crows get hold of us.
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Crows will beat us by 100+ Points.

Agree we not just crap now but Boring to Watch with even more Sideways and Backwards and handball to players under pressure
 
BEEG said:
Pretty much our best team Tuesday, what excuses will the Buckley brigade come up with if we lose?
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What excuse will you come up with if we win?
 
Look I think it has to be obvious to everyone by now. We can't hide from the reality any longer.

People may blame the likes of Davoren, Hine, Pert, Rivers, even Eddie. But one name stands out as the source of our sickness, the deep rooted source of our malaise.

Smally the pony.

Yes, I hear you say, he has gone along with his "master" Clokey. But I keep telling people, you don't just make a pony go away.

Time is of the essence. Time is healing. Also I think time is a battlefield. Or that may be love. You know what? It's not important.

We allowed ourselves to become complacent, to think that the menace could be held in check by making it a "pet". I fear we were planning on taking the same approach to our coaching staff, as evidenced by the Jamie Cassidy-McNamara but he is more companion animal than pet I fear.

But bear with me a moment here I may be stumbling towards a point counterclockwise if a little shabbily thanks to the tequila.

Ahhh yes Smally. The pony...always the pony...

My thesis in a nutshell.

Premier: I think we can agree that pets can have an IMPACT on our health. (see Jamie Cassidy McNamara, for example, who makes me want to kill things with a spork which is definitely not good for someones health).

Duexieme: While most published evidence concentrates on the positive effects of pets, surely the corrollary is also important, i.e. NEGATIVE health effects.

Troisieme: Some misguided souls — lost to all logic and reason, or corrupted by UDL's and cheap credit, consider PONIES to be pets.

Quatrieme: Ponies are in fact PROFOUNDLY AND VIOLENTLY DETRIMENTAL to our health, like radiation, a diet consisting exclusively of burger rings, or those really expensive rocks Gwyneth Paltrow wants you to shove in your arse.

Cinquieme: The best defense is a good offense.

Dernier: It must therefore be the priority of any club sponsored wellness program to eradicate the pony menace in order to protect our club.

And so we come to the reason for Clokey being moved on. Some will tell you it was because of his inability to kick straight from 10 meters out and unwillingness to lay a tackle without express instructions from dad. But no, I tell you, we woke up and smelled the roses. And we realised they smelt like s**t. Davoren could not cope with being blamed for our injury record any longer, and also the willful misspelling of his name. He still gets triggered by mentions of Davros and has to be coaxed out of the cupboard by a pallet of Balme's leftover bread rolls whenever Doctor Who comes on.

Yes, Bill knew. He is smart, is Bill, not like book smart but cunning, like a pony. He can get inside their brain and survive the horrors long enough to see the truth without his spinal cord snapping under the weight of unspeakableness, unlike anyone let loose on the tender mercies of Bill's chosen weight training specialist. There could be no explanation for our catastrophic injury record but the malign influence of a pony, to wit, Smally, on our club.

On the surface then, all was well. But surface appearances can be deceptive as we all know, just ask anyone watching our team train versus the feculent sludge dished out in actual games. A pony is not merely a burden on body and sinew. A pony gets into your soul, like a Nigerian scammer into your bank account, and does things even a One Nation supporter would find abhorrent and no I dont mean anal sex I mean the other thing.

And so we have a "healthy" list, but everywhere is sickness. We must rise up. We must rebel. And rebellions are built on hope, as I think we all must know now, as well as Carrie Fisher's CGI bosom. Sorry, I may need a moment...ok back again. Yes, sickness...and the only way to fight this sickness is with force. While any pony remains, anywhere, the curse will remain. There is only one solution, and it doesnt involve switching Dunn in to release Reid forward. That won't deal with the ponies. It wont even deal with Essendon's backline, how the * can it cope with the pony menace?

As a neoliberal my first inclination is to allow the free market to resolve the pony-related scourge for our club, with supporters freely contracting with willing participants to address their particular pony-killing needs. This would recognize that different people have different risk tolerances and danger profiles. For instance, Tasmanian supporters face lower per-capita ponies and the cold tends to make them sluggish and easily harpooned from ox carts and whatnot. The ponies, not the Tasmanians, though now you mention it....

And yet I fear we are likely to experience market failure, with respect to the utter destruction of the pony menace, something almost as terrifying to a neoliberal as the actual ponies. This is owing somewhat to the meretriciousness of our leadership, and our ridiculous adherence to occupational health and safety standards in the face of such a club wide emergency. The cost of everything associated with proper risk assessed pony defense: binoculars, reinforced undergarments, white phosphorous rounds, large bags of quicklime, celebratory bottles of sparkling burgundy — will skyrocket. As always with our club, "process"is overrated. Process will leave the ponies capering about in our entrails like some sick parody of a Dark Mofo event. We need, dare I say it, unity. Side by side, one club, one solid mass against the ponies, armed and ready for sacrifice. We are ready. Buckley shall lead us. It is time for the chosen one to step forth.

The day you look into the terror in a small child's teary eyes — the day you hear the noise of hooves trotting inexorably up your tastefully paved suburban driveway — the day you feel the goodness, the rightness, of the way the rocket launcher fits into your resolute arms as you take your place on the front lines — is the day you'll forget ideological distractions and unite behind our coach and the only gameplan that can force victory. There will be no ponies out the back. No ponies allowed to recover from our forward pressure. Press. Web. Chaos. Ennui. Contested ball, clearances. And by clearances, I mean the sort of clearance that comes from a perfect clearance machine.

My personal favourite would have to be the Carl Gustav 84mm recoilless rifle. In the wise words of Larry Correia (International Lord of Hate), it is the "best thing to come out of Sweden not involving bikinis". High explosive? Check. Armour piercing discarding sabot? Check. Multiple tight knit clusters of ponies? No problem! Flechette is available. And should our Tasmanian friends be concerned, designing a harpoon insert round shouldn't be too hard. But I guess there is no accounting for taste.

Will you help our club fight the pony menace?

If so, please send $399.95 to the "Save Collingwood from Ponies" fund, or if you like, $99.95 monthly for 5 months. Send your credit card details and we will set up a direct debit for you, and automatically renew while sending your renewal notice to a small yurt in Kazakhstan.

You will however receive a welcome letter from Gary Pert spelling your name wrong, a picture of a Carl Gustav M3 84 mm, and instructions on how to buy your own through intermediaries in the Afghani militias or through Viagogo for a small "handling fee".
 
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Bad Horse said:
Look I think it has to be obvious to everyone by now. We can't hide from the reality any longer.

People may blame the likes of Davoren, Hine, Pert, Rivers, even Eddie. But one name stands out as the source of our sickness, the deep rooted source of our malaise.

Smally the pony.

Yes, I hear you say, he has gone along with his "master" Clokey. But I keep telling people, you don't just make a pony go away.

Time is of the essence. Time is healing. Also I think time is a battlefield. Or that may be love. You know what? It's not important.

We allowed ourselves to become complacent, to think that the menace could be held in check by making it a "pet". I fear we were planning on taking the same approach to our coaching staff, as evidenced by the Jamie Cassidy-McNamara but he is more companion animal than pet I fear.

But bear with me a moment here I may be stumbling towards a point counterclockwise if a little shabbily thanks to the tequila.

Ahhh yes Smally. The pony...always the pony...

My thesis in a nutshell.

Premier: I think we can agree that pets can have an IMPACT on our health. (see Jamie Cassidy McNamara, for example, who makes me want to kill things with a spork which is definitely not good for someones health).

Duexieme: While most published evidence concentrates on the positive effects of pets, surely the corrollary is also important, i.e. NEGATIVE health effects.

Troisieme: Some misguided souls — lost to all logic and reason, or corrupted by UDL's and cheap credit, consider PONIES to be pets.

Quatrieme: Ponies are in fact PROFOUNDLY AND VIOLENTLY DETRIMENTAL to our health, like radiation, a diet consisting exclusively of burger rings, or those really expensive rocks Gwyneth Paltrow wants you to shove in your arse.

Cinquieme: The best defense is a good offense.

Dernier: It must therefore be the priority of any club sponsored wellness program to eradicate the pony menace in order to protect our club.

And so we come to the reason for Clokey being moved on. Some will tell you it was because of his inability to kick straight from 10 meters out and unwillingness to lay a tackle without express instructions from dad. But no, I tell you, we woke up and smelled the roses. And we realised they smelt like s**t. Davoren could not cope with being blamed for our injury record any longer, and also the willful misspelling of his name. He still gets triggered by mentions of Davros and has to be coaxed out of the cupboard by a pallet of Balme's leftover bread rolls.

Yes, Bill knew. He is smart, is Bill, not like book smart but cunning, like a pony. He can get inside their brain and survive the horrors long enough to see the truth without his spinal cord snapping under the weight of unspeakableness, unlike anyone let loose on the tender mercies of Bill's chosen weight training specialist. There could be no explanation for our catastrophic injury record but the malign influence of a pony, to wit, Smally, on our club.

On the surface then, all was well. But surface appearances can be deceptive as we all know, just ask anyone watching our team train versus the feculent sludge dished out in actual games. A pony is not merely a burden on body and sinew. A pony gets into your soul, and does things even a One Nation supporter would find abhorrent and no I dont mean anal sex I mean the other thing.

And so we have a "healthy" list, but everywhere is sickness. We must rise up. We must rebel. And rebellions are built on hope, as I think we all must know now, as well as Carrie Fisher's CGI bosom. Sorry, I may need a moment...ok back again. Yes, sickness...and the only way to fight this sickness is with force. While any pony remains, anywhere, the curse will remain. There is only one solution, and it doesnt involve switching Dunn in to release Reid forward. That won't deal with the ponies. It wont even deal with Essendon's backline, how the **** can it cope with the pony menace?

As a neoliberal my first inclination is to allow the free market to resolve the pony-related scourge for our club, with supporters freely contracting with willing participants to address their particular pony-killing needs. This would recognize that different people have different risk tolerances and danger profiles. For instance, Tasmanian supporters face lower per-capita ponies and the cold tends to make them sluggish and easily harpooned from ox carts and whatnot. The ponies, not the Tasmanians, though now you mention it....

And yet I fear we are likely to experience market failure, with respect to the utter destruction of the pony menace, something almost as terrifying to a neoliberal as the actual ponies. This is owing somewhat to the meretriciousness of our leadership, and our ridiculous adherence to occupational health and safety standards in the face of such a club wide emergency. The cost of everything associated with proper risk assessed pony defense: binoculars, reinforced undergarments, white phosphorous rounds, large bags of quicklime, celebratory bottles of sparkling burgundy — will skyrocket. As always with our club, "process"is overrated. Process will leave the ponies capering about in our entrails like some sick parody of a Dark Mofo event. We need, dare I say it, unity. Side by side, one club, one solid mass against the ponies, armed and ready for sacrifice. We are ready. Buckley shall lead us. It is time for the chosen one to step forth.

The day you look into the terror in a small child's teary eyes — the day you hear the noise of hooves trotting inexorably up your tastefully paved suburban driveway — the day you feel the goodness, the rightness, of the way the rocket launcher fits into your resolute arms as you take your place on the front lines — is the day you'll forget ideological distractions and unite behind our coach and the only gameplan that can force victory. There will be no ponies out the back. No ponies allowed to recover from our forward pressure. Press. Web. Chaos. Ennui. Contested ball, clearances. And by clearances, I mean the sort of clearance that comes from a perfect clearance machine.

My personal favourite would have to be the Carl Gustav 84mm recoilless rifle. In the wise words of Larry Correia (International Lord of Hate), it is the "best thing to come out of Sweden not involving bikinis". High explosive? Check. Armour piercing discarding sabot? Check. Multiple tight knit clusters of ponies? No problem! Flechette is available. And should our Tasmanian friends be concerned, designing a harpoon insert round shouldn't be too hard. But I guess there is no accounting for taste.

Will you help me fight the pony menace?
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We don't deserve you.
 
Bad Horse said:
Look I think it has to be obvious to everyone by now. We can't hide from the reality any longer.

People may blame the likes of Davoren, Hine, Pert, Rivers, even Eddie. But one name stands out as the source of our sickness, the deep rooted source of our malaise.

Smally the pony.

Yes, I hear you say, he has gone along with his "master" Clokey. But I keep telling people, you don't just make a pony go away.

Time is of the essence. Time is healing. Also I think time is a battlefield. Or that may be love. You know what? It's not important.

We allowed ourselves to become complacent, to think that the menace could be held in check by making it a "pet". I fear we were planning on taking the same approach to our coaching staff, as evidenced by the Jamie Cassidy-McNamara but he is more companion animal than pet I fear.

But bear with me a moment here I may be stumbling towards a point counterclockwise if a little shabbily thanks to the tequila.

Ahhh yes Smally. The pony...always the pony...

My thesis in a nutshell.

Premier: I think we can agree that pets can have an IMPACT on our health. (see Jamie Cassidy McNamara, for example, who makes me want to kill things with a spork which is definitely not good for someones health).

Duexieme: While most published evidence concentrates on the positive effects of pets, surely the corrollary is also important, i.e. NEGATIVE health effects.

Troisieme: Some misguided souls — lost to all logic and reason, or corrupted by UDL's and cheap credit, consider PONIES to be pets.

Quatrieme: Ponies are in fact PROFOUNDLY AND VIOLENTLY DETRIMENTAL to our health, like radiation, a diet consisting exclusively of burger rings, or those really expensive rocks Gwyneth Paltrow wants you to shove in your arse.

Cinquieme: The best defense is a good offense.

Dernier: It must therefore be the priority of any club sponsored wellness program to eradicate the pony menace in order to protect our club.

And so we come to the reason for Clokey being moved on. Some will tell you it was because of his inability to kick straight from 10 meters out and unwillingness to lay a tackle without express instructions from dad. But no, I tell you, we woke up and smelled the roses. And we realised they smelt like s**t. Davoren could not cope with being blamed for our injury record any longer, and also the willful misspelling of his name. He still gets triggered by mentions of Davros and has to be coaxed out of the cupboard by a pallet of Balme's leftover bread rolls whenever Doctor Who comes on.

Yes, Bill knew. He is smart, is Bill, not like book smart but cunning, like a pony. He can get inside their brain and survive the horrors long enough to see the truth without his spinal cord snapping under the weight of unspeakableness, unlike anyone let loose on the tender mercies of Bill's chosen weight training specialist. There could be no explanation for our catastrophic injury record but the malign influence of a pony, to wit, Smally, on our club.

On the surface then, all was well. But surface appearances can be deceptive as we all know, just ask anyone watching our team train versus the feculent sludge dished out in actual games. A pony is not merely a burden on body and sinew. A pony gets into your soul, like a Nigerian scammer into your bank account, and does things even a One Nation supporter would find abhorrent and no I dont mean anal sex I mean the other thing.

And so we have a "healthy" list, but everywhere is sickness. We must rise up. We must rebel. And rebellions are built on hope, as I think we all must know now, as well as Carrie Fisher's CGI bosom. Sorry, I may need a moment...ok back again. Yes, sickness...and the only way to fight this sickness is with force. While any pony remains, anywhere, the curse will remain. There is only one solution, and it doesnt involve switching Dunn in to release Reid forward. That won't deal with the ponies. It wont even deal with Essendon's backline, how the **** can it cope with the pony menace?

As a neoliberal my first inclination is to allow the free market to resolve the pony-related scourge for our club, with supporters freely contracting with willing participants to address their particular pony-killing needs. This would recognize that different people have different risk tolerances and danger profiles. For instance, Tasmanian supporters face lower per-capita ponies and the cold tends to make them sluggish and easily harpooned from ox carts and whatnot. The ponies, not the Tasmanians, though now you mention it....

And yet I fear we are likely to experience market failure, with respect to the utter destruction of the pony menace, something almost as terrifying to a neoliberal as the actual ponies. This is owing somewhat to the meretriciousness of our leadership, and our ridiculous adherence to occupational health and safety standards in the face of such a club wide emergency. The cost of everything associated with proper risk assessed pony defense: binoculars, reinforced undergarments, white phosphorous rounds, large bags of quicklime, celebratory bottles of sparkling burgundy — will skyrocket. As always with our club, "process"is overrated. Process will leave the ponies capering about in our entrails like some sick parody of a Dark Mofo event. We need, dare I say it, unity. Side by side, one club, one solid mass against the ponies, armed and ready for sacrifice. We are ready. Buckley shall lead us. It is time for the chosen one to step forth.

The day you look into the terror in a small child's teary eyes — the day you hear the noise of hooves trotting inexorably up your tastefully paved suburban driveway — the day you feel the goodness, the rightness, of the way the rocket launcher fits into your resolute arms as you take your place on the front lines — is the day you'll forget ideological distractions and unite behind our coach and the only gameplan that can force victory. There will be no ponies out the back. No ponies allowed to recover from our forward pressure. Press. Web. Chaos. Ennui. Contested ball, clearances. And by clearances, I mean the sort of clearance that comes from a perfect clearance machine.

My personal favourite would have to be the Carl Gustav 84mm recoilless rifle. In the wise words of Larry Correia (International Lord of Hate), it is the "best thing to come out of Sweden not involving bikinis". High explosive? Check. Armour piercing discarding sabot? Check. Multiple tight knit clusters of ponies? No problem! Flechette is available. And should our Tasmanian friends be concerned, designing a harpoon insert round shouldn't be too hard. But I guess there is no accounting for taste.

Will you help our club fight the pony menace?

If so, please send $399.95 to the "Save Collingwood from Ponies" fund, or if you like, $99.95 monthly for 5 months. Send your credit card details and we will set up a direct debit for you, and automatically renew while sending your renewal notice to a small yurt in Kazakhstan.

You will however receive a welcome letter from Gary Pert spelling your name wrong, a picture of a Carl Gustav M3 84 mm, and instructions on how to buy your own through intermediaries in the Afghani militias or through Viagogo for a small "handling fee".
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Gus Fring to the rescue?
Mike Erbentraut?

If not, not.... pity

Matters not, the coach will be there the whole season.
Next season will sort itself out.
No amount of bigfooty echo chamber will change anything.

Besides our own amusement, schadenfreude or whatever, we have zero impact on the decision makers (decision maker singular actually) that's all bigfooty is. But it's ok.

There will always be somebody to support / cheer / blame / harangue.

Whilst in my time there has been only two truly good years, who knows I may get some more good years, then again who knows.

Would be nice to have an "era team" where we dominate and win multiple flags.

But if not, not.

There's always horses running around, and that I've seen more "premierships" than just two.

But more is always good
 
Alexander323bc said:
I have been an avid Buckley fan from the beginning. I have come to the realization that he is effectively Tony Shaw mkII. He should step down now and save face. If not, the board should make that call for him when they meet end of this month.
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Ed said he won't sack Bucks
 
Interesting watching the vfl today. It looks like everyone has worked out our 'game plan.' I think the steak knives will be out Tuesday night.
 
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