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I will commend Buckley for the finally stopping cheap goals over the top (albeit 3 years too late), i haven't seen that the last couple of weeks so there has certainly been a change in our defensive structure.

My issue with him is he is so steadfast with his approach over the last few years and not willing to try things, we finally caught a glimpse of him trying something new against GWS, switching Reid forward (pre-meditated) and even throwing Darcy in the ruck in the Final quarter (spontaneous, which i loved), and although Reid didn't set the world on fire it free'd up Darcy, and equaled his career best marks again.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in selection because at times it just makes zero sense to me. (don't get me started on why Gary Pert is on the selection committee)

Playing Cox over White on Anzac Day when it was going to be wet.

Fasolo at CHF this week.

The non Selection of Schaz, even though i think he may be a late inclusion.

Just really odd.

Blair has been deplorable this year, has 1 good game at VFL level and comes straight back into the senior side, has 10 touches and kicks 2, but was playing much higher up the ground so his possession count is a glaringly obvious black mark against his game last week (on top of that ridiculous free kick that allowed GWS the inside 50 and subsequent winning goal). Holds his spot, while Callum Brown tears up the VFL, gets the stock standard, well done young fella.. we'll name you as an emergency just like Daicos. That's not good enough imo.

We were 1 of 3 clubs not to play any debutantes 19 or younger this year. Adelaide were one of those 3 clubs and they have named Jordan Galluci to debut as well as ex Perth Wildcat Hugh Greenwood to play his first Senior AFL game.

Fact is we are 2 and 6, teams don't play finals from that position. It's counterproductive to play Goldsack (as much as i love him) and Blair, when you have Scharenberg and Brown/Daicos in the reserves.

Buckley is a part of the issue in my eyes, but he's not alone in shouldering the blame. We need a ruthless review at the end of this season from top to bottom.

Our list management to allow a depth chart of KPP stock below.

DEFENCE

Reid
Schade
Dunn

FORWARD

Moore
Cox
White

Now we have addressed it slightly in the last draft picking up McClarty/Lynch/McCarthy, only McClarty looks to be a player at this stage.

This should have been addressed 2-3 seasons ago, and the coach has a very active role in this. Usually the process is, Coach says i want this type of player.. Recruiter then goes out and gets the best available or advises otherwise.

I would really like to see less Collingwood people in power positions at the club, i think this mentality of looking after our own is crippling our club. They see everything through Black and White tinted glasses.

We are so far from being a finals contender, so whether Buckley can't devise a game plan that suits our playing group, or whether he doesn't motivate our players or inspire them, or it's just that the planets haven't cosmically aligned for Bucks to have success with the club he has dedicated much of his life to, i really hope he has the testicular fortitude to step forward and say.. This hasn't and isn't working, i'm stepping aside instead of getting a begrudging tap on the shoulder from Eddie and Pert.

Ultimately the Buck stops with the Coach (pardon the pun)

It's sad to see a club legend fail, but he isn't the first and won't be the last. I do think clubs will be a little gun shy on recruiting high profile former players in the wake of Voss, Hird and Bucks.
Very little to disagree with you here, especially where Shaz is concerned but Blair is not like for like. Further Blair is not our long term option, I would like Broomhead to be given more opportunities. However I cannot accept that the free kick against him cost us the game, that to me is just Blair hate.

Yep, recruiting in the first three years was a head scratcher although I should also point out that I don't have any regrets with those we let go.
Beams, Thomas and Shaw were all unique situations.

Also agree we do need to refresh top management even football manager, we seem to go back to the tried before scenario, no advertising, just appointments.
(Not that I have a problem with Walsh but not sure what he brings to the table in terms of new ideas).
 

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I will commend Buckley for the finally stopping cheap goals over the top (albeit 3 years too late), i haven't seen that the last couple of weeks so there has certainly been a change in our defensive structure.

My issue with him is he is so steadfast with his approach over the last few years and not willing to try things, we finally caught a glimpse of him trying something new against GWS, switching Reid forward (pre-meditated) and even throwing Darcy in the ruck in the Final quarter (spontaneous, which i loved), and although Reid didn't set the world on fire it free'd up Darcy, and equaled his career best marks again.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in selection because at times it just makes zero sense to me. (don't get me started on why Gary Pert is on the selection committee)

Playing Cox over White on Anzac Day when it was going to be wet.

Fasolo at CHF this week.

The non Selection of Schaz, even though i think he may be a late inclusion.

Just really odd.

Blair has been deplorable this year, has 1 good game at VFL level and comes straight back into the senior side, has 10 touches and kicks 2, but was playing much higher up the ground so his possession count is a glaringly obvious black mark against his game last week (on top of that ridiculous free kick that allowed GWS the inside 50 and subsequent winning goal). Holds his spot, while Callum Brown tears up the VFL, gets the stock standard, well done young fella.. we'll name you as an emergency just like Daicos. That's not good enough imo.

We were 1 of 3 clubs not to play any debutantes 19 or younger this year. Adelaide were one of those 3 clubs and they have named Jordan Galluci to debut as well as ex Perth Wildcat Hugh Greenwood to play his first Senior AFL game.

Fact is we are 2 and 6, teams don't play finals from that position. It's counterproductive to play Goldsack (as much as i love him) and Blair, when you have Scharenberg and Brown/Daicos in the reserves.

Buckley is a part of the issue in my eyes, but he's not alone in shouldering the blame. We need a ruthless review at the end of this season from top to bottom.

Our list management to allow a depth chart of KPP stock below.

DEFENCE

Reid
Schade
Dunn

FORWARD

Moore
Cox
White

Now we have addressed it slightly in the last draft picking up McClarty/Lynch/McCarthy, only McClarty looks to be a player at this stage.

This should have been addressed 2-3 seasons ago, and the coach has a very active role in this. Usually the process is, Coach says i want this type of player.. Recruiter then goes out and gets the best available or advises otherwise.

I would really like to see less Collingwood people in power positions at the club, i think this mentality of looking after our own is crippling our club. They see everything through Black and White tinted glasses.

We are so far from being a finals contender, so whether Buckley can't devise a game plan that suits our playing group, or whether he doesn't motivate our players or inspire them, or it's just that the planets haven't cosmically aligned for Bucks to have success with the club he has dedicated much of his life to, i really hope he has the testicular fortitude to step forward and say.. This hasn't and isn't working, i'm stepping aside instead of getting a begrudging tap on the shoulder from Eddie and Pert.

Ultimately the Buck stops with the Coach (pardon the pun)

It's sad to see a club legend fail, but he isn't the first and won't be the last. I do think clubs will be a little gun shy on recruiting high profile former players in the wake of Voss, Hird and Bucks.
We have debuted, more players than most team in the last 3 years, so its now time for developing team cohesion and minimising changes so we get a core group building confidence in each other.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing: 2-3 years ago we had talls that we believed would make it, and rightly prioritised recruiting for clear deficiencies.

Only in hindsight does depth in talls now seem poor. But I would hazard a guess that had we recruited for talls (at the expense of mids), we would now be lamenting that we should have built our midfield first, because the priority in todays game is first use.

I think we will persist with the free flowing game plan which is a marked shift from the high pressure tackling focus that is unsustainable over an entire season.
This is a major change this year and given it stacks up against the best as we saw with GWS, it has the potential to markedly improve W/L, if we can also improve efficiency inside 50.
So we're left with inconsistency as the last challenge in my view - the less taxing game plan and maturity in the list will help this, but the remainder of the season will reveal a great deal about all of the above.
 

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Very little to disagree with you here, especially where Shaz is concerned but Blair is not like for like. Further Blair is not our long term option, I would like Broomhead to be given more opportunities. However I cannot accept that the free kick against him cost us the game, that to me is just Blair hate.

Yep, recruiting in the first three years was a head scratcher although I should also point out that I don't have any regrets with those we let go.
Beams, Thomas and Shaw were all unique situations.

Also agree we do need to refresh top management even football manager, we seem to go back to the tried before scenario, no advertising, just appointments.
(Not that I have a problem with Walsh but not sure what he brings to the table in terms of new ideas).
I don't think Berg should have come in for Blair, think Callum Brown should of. 31 and 10 clearances is an epic game from an 18 year old.

Berg for Reid (injured), Brown for Blair and Treloar for Phillips imo would have been ideal.

Are you saying it wasn't a free kick?

It was pretty silly on his behalf, just need to keep his feet and pick the ball up instead of Under 9's footy dive on the pill. Players have had long enough to adjust to this rule.

Yeah i have no issues with Beams, Heater and Thomas.
Thomas was clearly cooked, Beams we got fair compensation and i genuinely think Adams will captain the club post Pendlebury.

Walsh doesn't really bother me either way, but you're right.. we seem to go with the comfortable option, there needs to be an independent panel conducting interviews for candidates because you could have Alistair Clarkson and Scott Burns as the final 2 candidates for senior coach and you can bet your bottom dollar we would pick Burnsy.
 

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Some seem to think that if you're a senior coach who is not getting results.. then you can use every excuse under the sun to sympathize with him.

Part of any senior role is to deal with tough times.. you're not given a senior role if you 'CAN NOT DO THIS'. Buckley has failed dismally in this regard.

And to all the Buckley pro fighters.. time is of the essence in any role!

So kudos too you Doodles..
Actually there are also those here, that want the club gutted, just to satisfy their perverse, and misguided indulgence that massive change solves everything.
 

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I don't think Berg should have come in for Blair, think Callum Brown should of. 31 and 10 clearances is an epic game from an 18 year old.

Berg for Reid (injured), Brown for Blair and Treloar for Phillips imo would have been ideal.

Are you saying it wasn't a free kick?

It was pretty silly on his behalf, just need to keep his feet and pick the ball up instead of Under 9's footy dive on the pill. Players have had long enough to adjust to this rule.

Yeah i have no issues with Beams, Heater and Thomas.
Thomas was clearly cooked, Beams we got fair compensation and i genuinely think Adams will captain the club post Pendlebury.

Walsh doesn't really bother me either way, but you're right.. we seem to go with the comfortable option, there needs to be an independent panel conducting interviews for candidates because you could have Alistair Clarkson and Scott Burns as the final 2 candidates for senior coach and you can bet your bottom dollar we would pick Burnsy.
Not sure that I want to throw in Brown just now, Daicos either though both are going to be very good. (Think that Daicos is ahead of Brown at this stage).
I actually would have dropped Blair, put Goldsack forward and brought Shaz in to replace Reid.

No I thought the free kick was there, but there were many more stupid plays that cost us before that and also no free kick to Wells, delay in score review which allowed GWS to set up against kick-out. Were players aware of time remaining? On the replay and during live watching, didn't see the runner out there. We should have had someone play for time.
We were outnumbered, they ran harder back and I think already had a spare there.
 

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Not sure that I want to throw in Brown just now, Daicos either though both are going to be very good. (Think that Daicos is ahead of Brown at this stage).
I actually would have dropped Blair, put Goldsack forward and brought Shaz in to replace Reid.

No I thought the free kick was there, but there were many more stupid plays that cost us before that and also no free kick to Wells, delay in score review which allowed GWS to set up against kick-out. Were players aware of time remaining? On the replay and during live watching, didn't see the runner out there. We should have had someone play for time.
We were outnumbered, they ran harder back and I think already had a spare there.
Oh don't get me started on that review.
That was horrible.

Howe hit a target and got called back too. :mad:

What's your apprehension in debuting Brown/Daicos.

Players that have or will debut this week from 2016 draft.

McGrath, Taranto, McCluggage, Ainsworth, Petrevski-Seton, Logue, Bowes, Florent, Simpkin, Perryman, Galluci, Berry, Powell-Pepper, Hayward, Ridley, Cox, Long, Parfitt, Fisher, Begley, Darcy, MaCredie, Polson, Williamson, Scheer, Fox.

That's a large sample size of player that have debuted that would be mentally and physically in the same boat as our kids.

I'm a big believer on capitalizing on momentum and confidence.
Of course there needs to be a spot in the senior team with a player/s underperforming, so considering we have this in spades i see no reason why you couldn't give them a taste of Senior Footy.

They might surprise or they might be horribly out of depth, you're not going to know until they are given an opportunity, but considering Berg can't even get picked i don't think we will see any of them until it's mathematically impossible for us to play finals.
 

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Oh don't get me started on that review.
That was horrible.

Howe hit a target and got called back too. :mad:

What's your apprehension in debuting Brown/Daicos.

Players that have or will debut this week from 2016 draft.

McGrath, Taranto, McCluggage, Ainsworth, Petrevski-Seton, Logue, Bowes, Florent, Simpkin, Perryman, Galluci, Berry, Powell-Pepper, Hayward, Ridley, Cox, Long, Parfitt, Fisher, Begley, Darcy, MaCredie, Polson, Williamson, Scheer, Fox.

That's a large sample size of player that have debuted that would be mentally and physically in the same boat as our kids.

I'm a big believer on capitalizing on momentum and confidence.
Of course there needs to be a spot in the senior team with a player/s underperforming, so considering we have this in spades i see no reason why you couldn't give them a taste of Senior Footy.

They might surprise or they might be horribly out of depth, you're not going to know until they are given an opportunity, but considering Berg can't even get picked i don't think we will see any of them until it's mathematically impossible for us to play finals.
Funny thought - in my mind I contradict myself, whilst I agree we should blood, look at their slight body build and am hesitant yet in the VFL they are playing against bigger body players.:$
So in this moment agree that they should get a go soon.

Leaving Blair aside as I think his days are numbered, who would you replace them with?
 
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So therefore your strident belief that Buckley will not win a flag, is as equally unfounded, as the your belief a new coach will deliver a flag.

By inference however, even the 'miracle scenario' of making the 8 precludes Bucks' reappointment in your mind, because we cant win a flag under Bucks.

That's very strange logic given there are no guarantees of flag with a new coach.
Communicating with you is pointless when you completely misrepresent what I say. Where did I say I stridently believe a new coach will deliver a flag? I said the opposite didn't I and acknowledged there are obviously no guarantees.
All our beliefs are just that, our beliefs. Including yours. So if mine are unfounded based on 6 years evidence, what are yours?

If a miracle happens the remainder of the season then my hope and interest could be reignited. It'd have to be an amazing change! ,.. and I would still have serious doubts it wasn't just a bounce and a false dawn.
 

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Actually there are also those here, that want the club gutted, just to satisfy their perverse, and misguided indulgence that massive change solves everything.
True, but those people don't have a solution, so they attempt to appear to be relevant to the discussion with their "sack everyone and burn the place to the ground" mentality.
If you take that away from them they would be mute
 

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Communicating with you is pointless when you completely misrepresent what I say. Where did I say I stridently believe a new coach will deliver a flag? I said the opposite didn't I and acknowledged there are obviously no guarantees.
All our beliefs are just that, our beliefs. Including yours. So if mine are unfounded based on 6 years evidence, what are yours?

If a miracle happens the remainder of the season then my hope and interest could be reignited. It'd have to be an amazing change! ,.. and I would still have serious doubts it wasn't just a bounce and a false dawn.
Please read my post again, I said "strident" in respect of Buckley not a new coach - so I did not completely misrepresent you.
 

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Funny thought - in my mind I contradict myself, whilst I agree we should blood, look at their slight body build and am hesitant yet in the VFL they are playing against bigger body players.:$
So in this moment agree that they should get a go soon.

Leaving Blair aside as I think his days are numbered, who would you replace them with?
Aish and Phillips the 2 candidates.

Phillips has his limitations and will be a foot soldier, nothing more.

Aish i'm completely confused as to the standard of footy he could play to against men at the age of 16 and 17 but just looks completely out of his depth at AFL level.

Aish hasn't even put up numbers in the VFL that Callum Brown put up on the weekend.
 

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I don't see the point in a caretaker coach, if bucks is going at the end of the year he needs to develop to young players as much as possible by giving them senior exposure. No point in putting in a interim coach and then having to start again 4 months later.
Yes and no.
He may be doing more harm by staying around. There are so many variables to these things that it is hard to say without actually being within the club. Still, once it is statistically impossible for us to make the 8 I would be asking him to move on.
 

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Yes and no.
He may be doing more harm by staying around. There are so many variables to these things that it is hard to say without actually being within the club. Still, once it is statistically impossible for us to make the 8 I would be asking him to move on.
Has there been a caretaker coach in recent history say dating back to 2000 that has done more harm than good?

I doubt it!
 

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Any one have information on caretaker coaches since 2000.. win/loss ratio.. and player feedback?

Players will always say they would rather the ft senio coach be in charge.. only when a caretaker coach does take over will they say.. 'yeah it's great having a different set of ideas we can work on as a team.. we feel rejuvenated bla bla bla'.

In my experience as a player.. a caretaker coach did lift the ratings of each player.. even something as simple as not cutting corners whilst running laps.. executing skills more precisely rather than being complacent under the old regime.. assisting an mentoring other players.. the ratings do lift. It's more of an even playing field.. players feel inclined to prove themselves a hell of a lot more.
 

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A coach needs to be a people's person like me.

Someone who doesn't deliberately like someone's post to get a like in return.
Someone that challenges the status quo.
Someone who doesn't deal with politics.
Someone who likes someone's post even when they're at loggerheads.
Someone who favours posts based on quality.

Someone that just says it how it is.. honesty and integrity.

Respect!
 

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Why didn't I get a respect!
By the way I was saying Bucks could be doing more harm than good.

Respect!
Sometimes i forget to write it. Yes i know.

The reason why i end every post with 'respect'.. it's one of my pet hates.. when someone asks you to respect someone. Just trying to illustrate how annoying it is.
 
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