Regarding drafts and trades. Someone asked this question:
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have long subscribed to the theory that ED and Pert are more the problem than Bux.
And I hope for the good of the club they go, and we can move forward.
However, our list in very unbalanced, we have far too many inside mids, and lack of key forwards, and IMO this has been the difference between 5 wins and 10 wins.
It is obvious we lack outside speed, and a couple of KPP. Who misread the way the game was going, in 2014 and 2015 we went for all inside mids, now our list is full of them?
The way I see it, we get it inside 50 more than enough, but the way our game style is set up due to lack of the right type of player, we get beaten by the well structured teams.
Someone has to take responsibility for this, is it ultimately NB or is it recurring depth?"
The Scout response:
" Well, firstly, whilst i get the chorus of wanting a spine, there have been a few factors at play as to why we haven't ended up with one...
1. KPP are few and far between
2. You probably need early picks to get them in the doors - or you are better off waiting until later in the draft to pick up project types (probably the way DH has seen it)
3. We had other shortfalls in the eyes of those making decisions
4. (This being your point) The club decided that the modern game was more about midfielders playing multiple roles
It is my belief that the list management and game style etc rests with the Football department - but so many faces in key roles have come and gone in a short time, the easiest people to blame are NB and DH. But that would be wrong IMHO.
Some would view it as a miscellany of mismanagement.
I do, as stated though, believe that Nathan has a certain type of player that he prefers to coach/teach."
And some more
" Can I just say that I don't disagree?
Posting on a board like this (and trying to do my day job!) means I have addressed some issues but not all.
I agree totally that NB needs to shoulder his share of the blame, no question.
My observations of Nathan is that his single mindedness extends into inflexibility. He sees the issues on match day, but refuses to adjust and get with the flow of the game. This is the fine line of balancing trust in your players & the game plan 'in theory' & ego & what is happening on the field. Nathan is a believer in 'staying the course' and as such, can be 10 minutes late with crucial manoeuvres IMHO
Like everyone here, I walk the line of backing Nathan in...or wanting a compete sweep out. It is not as easy as simply removing the coach and it being a new place.
As i have said in multiple posts - if Nathan goes, I would think any new coach would be wanting some clear direction of what will change around and above."
On Hine:
" Subject: Let me tell you this about DH
In reply to: Mick 's message, "Why did Hine pass on Wright in 2014 then Scout?" on 14:23 14/07/17 Fri
Even those in the recruiting group have no idea who is going to call out on Draft Day.
Perhaps Matt or Dominic, but few others.
He is known to hold his cards exceptionally tightly.
I have no TRUE idea why he passed or picked any player."
Subject: Types yes
In reply to: Mick 's message, "Surely they have an idea what type they recruit?" on 18:04 14/07/17 Fri
Actual names...no
"
have long subscribed to the theory that ED and Pert are more the problem than Bux.
And I hope for the good of the club they go, and we can move forward.
However, our list in very unbalanced, we have far too many inside mids, and lack of key forwards, and IMO this has been the difference between 5 wins and 10 wins.
It is obvious we lack outside speed, and a couple of KPP. Who misread the way the game was going, in 2014 and 2015 we went for all inside mids, now our list is full of them?
The way I see it, we get it inside 50 more than enough, but the way our game style is set up due to lack of the right type of player, we get beaten by the well structured teams.
Someone has to take responsibility for this, is it ultimately NB or is it recurring depth?"
The Scout response:
" Well, firstly, whilst i get the chorus of wanting a spine, there have been a few factors at play as to why we haven't ended up with one...
1. KPP are few and far between
2. You probably need early picks to get them in the doors - or you are better off waiting until later in the draft to pick up project types (probably the way DH has seen it)
3. We had other shortfalls in the eyes of those making decisions
4. (This being your point) The club decided that the modern game was more about midfielders playing multiple roles
It is my belief that the list management and game style etc rests with the Football department - but so many faces in key roles have come and gone in a short time, the easiest people to blame are NB and DH. But that would be wrong IMHO.
Some would view it as a miscellany of mismanagement.
I do, as stated though, believe that Nathan has a certain type of player that he prefers to coach/teach."
And some more
" Can I just say that I don't disagree?
Posting on a board like this (and trying to do my day job!) means I have addressed some issues but not all.
I agree totally that NB needs to shoulder his share of the blame, no question.
My observations of Nathan is that his single mindedness extends into inflexibility. He sees the issues on match day, but refuses to adjust and get with the flow of the game. This is the fine line of balancing trust in your players & the game plan 'in theory' & ego & what is happening on the field. Nathan is a believer in 'staying the course' and as such, can be 10 minutes late with crucial manoeuvres IMHO
Like everyone here, I walk the line of backing Nathan in...or wanting a compete sweep out. It is not as easy as simply removing the coach and it being a new place.
As i have said in multiple posts - if Nathan goes, I would think any new coach would be wanting some clear direction of what will change around and above."
On Hine:
" Subject: Let me tell you this about DH
In reply to: Mick 's message, "Why did Hine pass on Wright in 2014 then Scout?" on 14:23 14/07/17 Fri
Even those in the recruiting group have no idea who is going to call out on Draft Day.
Perhaps Matt or Dominic, but few others.
He is known to hold his cards exceptionally tightly.
I have no TRUE idea why he passed or picked any player."
Subject: Types yes
In reply to: Mick 's message, "Surely they have an idea what type they recruit?" on 18:04 14/07/17 Fri
Actual names...no
I don't have a problem with the clubs strategy of going for midfielders. I understand the logic that back in 2014 it was obvious that at some point interchanges could go as low as 60 in the future. With those reduced interchanges you can get an advantage by having a lot of midfielders rotating through.
The problem is we recruited the wrong type of midfielders. Average kicks who aren't quick or flexible enough to play multiple roles.

