List Mgmt. The 2017 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals Thread (cont. in Part II)

[doona]

This might be a bit blunt... but anyone complaining about the trading period not being entertaining is an idiot.

The point of this period is for the club and players to make decisions on who is playing where next year. It is a practical exercise that for the most part needs to be nutted out behind closed doors. For the most part these negotiations are pretty mundane and take into account a lot of information that isn't (and shouldn't) be publicly available. It simply doesn't exist for your entertainment. The idea that another sport does trading "better" or that this has any sort of significance on the quality of the sport is ridiculous. That you are getting disappointed because there isn't enough action is your problem, not the AFL's, the player's or the club's.

The problem is is that the AFL market Trade Week as entertainment so that they have a lot more media coverage, sell papers, are in the news, etc.....

So the AFL has created a serious practical exersize into the media monster it is, hence the debate about what would make it more exciting.

 

[McRobie]

This might be a bit blunt... but anyone complaining about the trading period not being entertaining is an idiot.

The point of this period is for the club and players to make decisions on who is playing where next year. It is a practical exercise that for the most part needs to be nutted out behind closed doors. For the most part these negotiations are pretty mundane and take into account a lot of information that isn't (and shouldn't) be publicly available. It simply doesn't exist for your entertainment. The idea that another sport does trading "better" or that this has any sort of significance on the quality of the sport is ridiculous. That you are getting disappointed because there isn't enough action is your problem, not the AFL's, the player's or the club's.

Yeah tbh you clearly have no idea champ. Have a look at USA sports work. It's a business, AFL runs it fairly poorly.


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[Heeney2Franklin]

Yeah tbh you clearly have no idea champ. Have a look at USA sports work. It's a business, AFL runs it fairly poorly.


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AFL runs a lot of stuff poorly.

 

[RobbieK]

Yeah tbh you clearly have no idea champ. Have a look at USA sports work. It's a business, AFL runs it fairly poorly.
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The business is the game. This is a sideshow, a distraction. There is no need or benefit from oversaturating the media with football 24/7 outside of competition time. The problem isn't that the AFL doesn't do enough to promote it, it is that it does too much. Non stop "trade radio" for weeks? Totally ridiculous. There isn't enough to be said and so you get pointless, asinine conversation and speculation.

 

[RobbieK]

The problem is is that the AFL market Trade Week as entertainment so that they have a lot more media coverage, sell papers, are in the news, etc.....

So the AFL has created a serious practical exersize into the media monster it is, hence the debate about what would make it more exciting.

As I just said in the other post, I agree with you, the AFL has contributed to this, but it is a bit of a chicken and egg situation - fans want entertainment, the media wants the clicks and advertising dollars, I wouldn't just blame the AFL for the situation as it stands.

The answer isn't about working to make it more entertaining. It is to accept that this isn't about entertainment.

 

[sataris]

Yeah because the season starts in 6 months so there is a massive rush to get trades done in 1 week rather than 2

Don't forget as a player, you have 1 week/less to make a decision to move interstate.

 

[McRobie]

The business is the game. This is a sideshow, a distraction. There is no need or benefit from oversaturating the media with football 24/7 outside of competition time. The problem isn't that the AFL doesn't do enough to promote it, it is that it does too much. Non stop "trade radio" for weeks? Totally ridiculous. There isn't enough to be said and so you get pointless, asinine conversation and speculation.

Trade period should be shortened and be a huge event. As it is in all well run sports. There is way to much conservatism and old school full thinking in AFL. It's becoming a contrived mess which will push fans away eventually.


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[doona]

It is to accept that this isn't about entertainment.

I beg to differ because It is for the AFL for the reasons I posted.

If it was more about the business, they would just open up a trade period straight after the GF and have it run through to the start of pre-season training/december etc..... But the AFL want it as entertainment so that will never happen.

 

[Cadsky]

Pretty sure I just walked in on purple saying Watts has chosen port.

 

[Cadsky]

Actually think it might have been Rockliff they were talking about

 

[Cadsky]

If Watts chooses "you can have everyone" Geelong I'll lose my shit.

 

[Tedeski]

I don't think we want Watts.
We should just leave him be.
Good luck to the Cats or Port with him.

 

[RobbieK]

Trade period should be shortened and be a huge event. As it is in all well run sports.

Why should it be short and a huge event? What is gained from that?

The priority should be to design a trade and draft period that works best for clubs and players to work things out in preparation for the next year. How does creating an arbitrarily short window for decision making, months and months ahead of a season, do that?

This isn't a fantasy football league. We are talking about decisions that are having a major impact on the lives of real people. We do not treat players like indentured labourers to be traded against their will across the country on a moments notice, and nor should we.

 

[McRobie]

If Watts chooses "you can have everyone" Geelong I'll lose my shit.

Who cares they will never threaten for a flag.


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[Cadsky]

Also if we miss out on Watts because we can't fit him in the cap then poor form on the list managers for signing McVeigh for another year.

 

[Tedeski]

I think we need to get something straight here.
Stringer & Watts have been pushed out by their clubs.
They are both high profile talented players & both contracted.

They will go to their new club as damaged goods & that club needs to be able to deal with them.

It reminds me so much of Mitch Clarke who left Brisbane for Melbourne & then to Geelong & he was pretty much too much trouble for the Cats to handle.
Sylvia falls into the same category. He was done before he went to Freo.
Not many clubs have the capacity to deal with such players.

I have cooled on him the last few days.
AVOID.

 

[BigAnton]

Watts touring Geelong's facilities as we speak

 

[brad cooper]

Also if we miss out on Watts because we can't fit him in the cap then poor form on the list managers for signing McVeigh for another year.

Would prefer mcveigh for 1 season than watts for 3

 

[SSwans2011]

I think we need to get something straight here.
Stringer & Watts have been pushed out by their clubs.
They are both high profile talented players & both contracted.

They will go to their new club as damaged goods & that club needs to be able to deal with them.

It reminds me so much of Mitch Clarke who left Brisbane for Melbourne & then to Geelong & he was pretty much too much trouble for the Cats to handle.
Sylvia falls into the same category. He was done before he went to Freo.
Not many clubs have the capacity to deal with such players.

I have cooled on him the last few days.
AVOID.

Clark is not a fair comparison. Showed good form at the Dees, but couldn't stay fit. Everyone knew he had baggage when he went to the Cats.

 

[Cadsky]

Would prefer mcveigh for 1 season than watts for 3

McVeigh is not going to be the difference next year in us winning a GF. Watts could contribute to that over the next 4-5 seasons.

 

[TradeDraft]

Watts touring Geelong's facilities as we speak

Media has no Idea about Watts

 

[brad cooper]

McVeigh is not going to be the difference next year in us winning a GF. Watts could contribute to that over the next 4-5 seasons.

Just like hes contributed so much over the course of his career. He's one of the biggest busts in draft history, he's lazy and soft. He does not improve our team one bit. Would much rather see hayward, florent and aliir come in and replace the likes of Cunningham.

 

[tombomb]

There is really nothing at all that gets me excited for us in this trade period.

There are a few players that create a little bit of interest (watts and motlop), but they all have their drawbacks and would cost alot (by way of trade or money) and not offer enormous return.

Other than something coming up that hasnt been discussed or speculated on, if we do trade someone out, Id like to see us just get more picks in the draft - next years version especially.

The one bloke I wouldn't be upset to sign would be Sam Gibson from the Kangaroos as a free agent. Like most I don't watch a lot of North games, but if he could be signed to a low wage, he seems to be someone who would add some defensive/mid depth. Especially if someone like Smith was to get injured.

 

[RW]

Watts could contribute to that over the next 4-5 seasons.

He could, but he seems like a high risk high reward kind of player. Not sure if it is worth the gamble for us, we have a good list that just needs strengthening in certain areas.

 

[Punts]

We must not be that keen if we didn't even get him up to Sydney

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