People can like V8s, but it doesn't mean you revolve a whole motor racing community/industry around it.
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Given the Mustang is the visual equivalent of the original Cristiano Ronaldo tribute bust, I think this is a false statement. The Commodore is nice but unremarkable and the Nissan is a ghost car - no one ever sees it.
The Honda, Subi, Audi and Astra all look at least as good as anything in Supercars to my eyes, maybe the Renault too. The Alpha and Hyundai are a bit boring but that may be more to do with livery.
Show the casual fan (ie. not already invested/rusted on fan) the very best 10 laps/3 races, whatever, from this year and I think you'll find these statements to be false also.
I think in terms of popularity, it's all about time. V8s, whilst largely irrelevant now outside of the Mustang, is still the currently ingrained preference. But clearly the emerging generation is smaller car racing, there will be a transition and fans will move on from the past, sooner or later.
You know what would've been good?
Create a car racing version of motorbike GP or wsbk. 2-3 tier of engine capacities. But unlike the smaller classes being a stepping stone to the big class (How I view motorbike racing), it's an egalitarian scene (How Klyntonious has pointed out motorbike racing was).
Create a car racing version of motorbike GP or wsbk. 2-3 tier of engine capacities. But unlike the smaller classes being a stepping stone to the big class (How I view motorbike racing), it's an egalitarian scene (How Klyntonious has pointed out motorbike racing was).
Why not make it a V6 sedan championship?
The Mustang looks like a car crushed into something not at all like what it was meant to be, because it is.
But other than the Audi, there's nothing there that matches the look of the Ambrose BA Falcon or Skaife VY Commodore.
V8s are dead, but sedans are not.
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Which in turn don't hold a candle to Brock's A9X or Moffatt's '69 Mustang. But comparing current cars for racing to ancient ones is irrelevant.
Large sedans are as dead as v8s.
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What exciting v6 sedans are going to fill out this series, capturing the imagination of the Australian public?
Because it's not 1999.
Unlike back then, when a 2ltr 4 cyl was a smaller car, that type of car is now a bigger motor nowadays.
It is a crime that the Kia Stinger is not racing right now.
And yet in Australia there are still at least 11 manufacturers selling V6, 4 door sedans, none of which run in any other series that I'm aware of.
I don't know if a Kia Stinger not racing is that big a deal.
Can you help me out and list the 11 manufacturers selling a V6 and their models?
Why not? Could probably help Kia sell a few more of them as well, seeing as they're not doing a very good job of it so far.
I can, although I have to say I'm somewhat surprised you can't think of them yourself.
Please.
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Agreed, yet a field of Kia Stingers does not a compelling series make.
Can you think of them yourself? Curious minds want to know.
Nup.
I will take you at your word. Picking just one from manufacturers that have more than that, and I may even have missed some:
Audi S4
BMW M3
Holden Commodore
Infiniti Q50
Kia Stinger
Lexus IS
Maserati Ghibli
Mercedes-Benz CLS
Porsche Panemera
Subaru Liberty
Toyota Camry
Genesis G70 (on its way in)
Honda Accord (due to be phased out next year)
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Can't see a workable series made out of this.
a) You wouldn't need all of them
b) I seem to recall two cars that did not have V8s running in the series with V8 engines not too long ago. In fact, one is still going, and has been joined by another which was meant to have a V6 twin turbo, which you have listed as NA.
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Bathurst 6hr ?
Only the A2 class, which had five cars running, from two manufacturers.
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a) True, but you'd need to get some of them.
b) So the plan would basically be the current supercars but with v6's?
Isn't that what a V6 sedan championship would imply? There are a bunch of problems with the way the championship is run at the moment, but as long as these sedans are being sold in Australia, they should be racing. Moving to V6 would solve one problem.
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V6s are already open to them in Supercars and they're not interested.
Triple Eight were pretty serious about it with the ZB, tested the engine and then at the last minute claimed that they pulled out of it because they were worried they couldn't make it competitive with the V8s. That doesn't like a lack of interest to me, that sounds like the V8s are clinging on and potentially costing the series by preventing a move to V6s.
