Game Day The 2025 Draft Day Thread

[UseR2006]

And a song to sing as we watch,

Hey Matty Clarke by Kevin (Random260) Wilson :

Hey Matty Clarke you campaigner, where the **** is Sharp
I’ve looked at all these other spuds and there’s no one that I like
I wrote you a ****ing letter and posted about it twice
You dopey ****ing Richmond fart, you forgot my ****ing Sharp

If I wanted a stupid ruckman type, I would’ve bloody asked
And this half back flank and temu mid, you can shove right up your arse
You’ve stuffed the bloody order up, it’s enough to make you spew
But it’s not just me who’s snakey, SGIO is dirty too

Next time I come to see ya, I’m going to punch you in the guts
And I’ll sack the other recruiting knobs and kick Toddy in the nuts
You just wait 'til next year when you go back to the draft
And me and me little GIO come stomping through the door
And we'll say, yeah, you wait for it

Hey Pyke and Woosh you smell his breath
And check his bloodshot eyes
And don't listen to him eagles fans 'cause he tells ****ing lies
He's just a ****ing useless campaigner and he's not even very bright
'Cause the stupid ****in' w***er, forgot me ****in' Sharp

Hey Matty Clarke you campaigner, where the **** is Sharp
I’ve looked at all these other spuds and there’s no one that I like
I wrote you a ****ing letter and posted about it twice
You dopey ****ing Richmond fart, you forgot my ****ing Sharp

A Quick Ai rendition: https://suno.com/s/blQP3cSnulhqYb5g
It's funny how it interrupted the lyrics XD

 

[Shueygod]

Duursma maybe a mid in time ad is the clear number 1 pick, this on potential.
CDT is not a mid, freakish athletic profile with lots to work on, this is on potential.

Cumming and Sharp are the best mids in the draft and we had pick 1 and 2 and 13.
Surely we could have picked 1 of those or traded up from 13 and STK 2nd round for a pick around MEL pick 12 or ESS pick 13 to grab a 1 of the best mids in the 1st round.

Neither are elite mids though.

Wouldn’t be top 10 last year.

 

[boondy]

We have 2 main list spots left
1 rookie spot left
(after the 3 ssp )

1 Cat b rookie

 

[Shueygod]

Yall remember when I said Allan goes before Sharp in this draft which the majority disagreed with.

Not only did Essendon just take Allan-lite before Sharp, Melbourne certainly would have taken him if he was available.

 

[Patron]

After having some time to calm down after blowing up in other places re: our live trade...

I am generally pretty content with this.

Got the 2 I wanted at the top.
Did think we were going to trade in for Sharp but considering the opposing offer was an F1 from Adelaide then thats fine not doing it.
We got Lindsay which I'm happy with despite my reservations about him as a prospect (****ed me well off that we moved an F2 but alas there's competing stories as to why).
Now have 2 of the next 9 picks with no bid on Tylah yet, I am one of the group that wants us to not take him but we will see. I would quite like to just continually move down the board and accrue future assets.

In terms of getting sharp, we should have done better to secure a points pick (e.g Carltons 9 - where Sharp eventually went).

Per zero hanger, this is what Essendon paid.
Carlton receives: Picks 21, 27 and 30
Essendon receives: Picks 9 and 43

Hard to believe pick 13, F2 and 41 isn't a much better offer than that.
We paid 13, F2 just for pick 12.

And that's ignoring the fact we also were the club that bid on dean and theoretically had extra "Leverage" over Carlton.

 

[Keys]

ChatGPT reckons they wound up 967 in deficit matching the bids tonight with their draft hand after all their trades at the opening of the draft.

Done — I ran the point-model using the AFL’s 2025 DVI and the 2025 discount rules (10% discount for bids at picks 1–18; fixed 84-point discount for bids at picks 19–36). Sources: the AFL DVI table and 2025 draft-rule explainer. afl.com.au+1

What the model shows​

• Gold Coast’s picks after their draft-night trades (the set we used): 14, 18, 24, 28, 33, 35, 36, 46, 47, 52, 53.
• Total points Gold Coast had after those trades = 4,345 points.
• Bids matched (and costs using the 2025 rules):
  
  • Zeke Uwland — bid at pick 2: gross 2,481 pts → 10% discount (248) → net 2,233 pts.
  • Dylan Patterson — bid at pick 5: gross 1,795 pts → 10% discount (180) → net 1,615 pts.
  • Jai Murray — bid at pick 18: gross 836 pts → 10% discount (84) → net 752 pts.
  • Beau Addinsall — bid at pick 19: gross 796 pts → fixed 84-pt discount → net 712 pts.
• Total points required to match all four bids = 5,312 points.
• Shortfall after the trades = 4,345 − 5,312 = −967 points.

What that means​

With the pick set we used (which matches the club announcements about the swaps they executed), Gold Coast still would have been about 967 points short of the exact total required to match all four bids — if they’d tried to pay for them purely from those listed 2025 picks.

That confirms why reports said the Suns did additional pick manoeuvring on draft night (and why some of the trades involved future picks or live swaps): the club needed extra draft-value to fully cover the 5,312-point bill for the four academy matches. The shortfall here (~967 pts) matches the narrative that Gold Coast executed a few more small trades / swaps to top up their point pool during the live draft.

There’s a problem with those calculations as the picks used to match bids have dynamic values

As each bid is matched all leftover picks change position and change their value so on a night like this draft, all those late picks increase in value over the course of the night

The AFL also does this weird thing when matching bids of taking the first matching pick out, then moving all other picks up one spot and then using the points value of the next matching pick after it’s been moved up

It’s a complicated process but Gold Coast still hold picks 48 and 49 which means they didn’t go into deficit - if they were in deficit they’d have no picks with a points value

 

[DorothyG]

Points deficits, no consequence
Over shooting your alloted time, no consequence
5 mins per pick, 3hr round one, another 25+ round one.
Academy galore for certain clubs
Minute WA representation

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

I'm more or less in the same spot.

Happy with the picks. Would like to know the thought process behind the 2nd round trade and if they genuinely made an error with their calculations in regards to the bid.

It's all done now but still curious.

There was also no reason to have it be such a close call. Remember, there was a lot of mystery around who Richmond would pick whereas practically every phantom draft the last couple of days had us going for Addinsall. If that’s the plan then you sure could stand to do a better job of keeping it under wraps, and then spring the trap on GCS when it comes time.

There’s also no scenario in which GCS don’t match bids on top 5 talents and keep their pig pile of mediocre late first and second round picks, so if you’re guaranteed the two guys you want (Duursma and CDT) and your goal with 13 is Addinsall, you have to put the squeeze on GCS as early as possible and just launch bids on Uwland and Patterson straight out of the gate.

Ending up with Lindsay is fine, if you like the player, and sure there’s every chance that with Hawthorn wanting to trade down that the Dogs or Cats would have traded up and grabbed him, but that doesn’t really excuse the tactical blunders that the Eagles made which resulted them missing out on the player they clearly wanted to pick.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

We have 2 main list spots left
1 rookie spot left
(after the 3 ssp )

1 Cat b rookie

I must say, I love when you post, not for the quality of your posts but every time I see your avatar I cant help but laugh.

 

[Bender_]

Duffma looking good

They're legit wearing jumpers with their names on them that fit perfectly. Not sure the whole jumper size melt was justified.

 

[ctwenty1]

In terms of getting sharp, we should have done better to secure a points pick (e.g Carltons 9 - where Sharp eventually went).

Per zero hanger, this is what Essendon paid.
Carlton receives: Picks 21, 27 and 30
Essendon receives: Picks 9 and 43

Hard to believe pick 13, F2 and 41 isn't a much better offer than that.
We paid 13, F2 just for pick 12.

And that's ignoring the fact we also were the club that bid on dean and theoretically had extra "Leverage" over Carlton.

If that’s what offered I would like to think we would’ve taken that. Maybe you used that leverage to try to hold on to f2?

Did you get hawthorn’s f2 in return?

 

[maverick001]

In isolation I’m fine with taking Lindsay at 19 rather than a second tier mid. We need first tier mids.
What annoys me tho is we missed our chance to trade up and take first tier mid Sharp using Saints F2 and 13 and perhaps change. Perhaps we just didn’t rate him very highly

 

[bzparkes]

Duursma maybe a mid in time ad is the clear number 1 pick, this on potential.
CDT is not a mid, freakish athletic profile with lots to work on, this is on potential.

Cumming and Sharp are the best mids in the draft and we had pick 1 and 2 and 13.
Surely we could have picked 1 of those or traded up from 13 and STK 2nd round for a pick around MEL pick 12 or ESS pick 13 to grab a 1 of the best mids in the 1st round.

Neither of those 2 are close to being pick 2 worthy. You're taking a step top from high end potential to address a need that can be done in any other way over the next 2 years(Warner FA/trade/draft next year/organic growth of our players/etc).

Sharp went at pick 13, he wasn't remotely close to worth spending pick 2 on.

We also tried to trade up from pick 13 and there were no takers.

You don't ignore better players at pick 2 to pick for 'needs'.

 

[bzparkes]

Points deficits, no consequence
Over shooting your alloted time, no consequence
5 mins per pick, 3hr round one, another 25+ round one.
Academy galore for certain clubs
Minute WA representation

You forgot "How do you feel about moving to the other side of the country!?" being asked for all 3 of our players but never the other way.

 

[amazingjoshy]

In terms of getting sharp, we should have done better to secure a points pick (e.g Carltons 9 - where Sharp eventually went).

Per zero hanger, this is what Essendon paid.
Carlton receives: Picks 21, 27 and 30
Essendon receives: Picks 9 and 43

Hard to believe pick 13, F2 and 41 isn't a much better offer than that.
We paid 13, F2 just for pick 12.

And that's ignoring the fact we also were the club that bid on dean and theoretically had extra "Leverage" over Carlton.

Didn't Carlton want points for this year though?

 

[amazingjoshy]

Get around the new lads!

Perhaps next year we have a bit of a bounce and that pick blows out, probably doesn't, but in the age of high 20s 1st rounds, that pick is a swing in the dark.

We traded the Saints F2 not ours

 

[Obeanie1]

The second half of last years draft made i

In terms of getting sharp, we should have done better to secure a points pick (e.g Carltons 9 - where Sharp eventually went).

Per zero hanger, this is what Essendon paid.
Carlton receives: Picks 21, 27 and 30
Essendon receives: Picks 9 and 43

Hard to believe pick 13, F2 and 41 isn't a much better offer than that.
We paid 13, F2 just for pick 12.

And that's ignoring the fact we also were the club that bid on dean and theoretically had extra "Leverage" over Carlton.

Maybe we did offer something and the Blues said no thanks.

So we gave them one back with that early bid.

 

[DorothyG]

We traded the Saints F2 not ours

Even less meltworthy then
Most would have Saints top 8 next year so

 

[Corn69]

Can't help but lol at the fact that despite trying to get him added to their NGA, Hawks overlooked Greeves.

Something seriously wrong there.

I'd personally take Frod and Curtin with the next 2 picks.

 

[KERRPOW]

A bit of a **** up by west coast...we essentially gave up the saints F2 for no reason at all.

I thought we got the hawks F2 back but i dont think we do.

 

[Wce17]

How do we know it was just the bulldogs after Lindsay. Could have been Geelong or any other team after us.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

 

[bzparkes]

A bit of a **** up by west coast...we essentially gave up the saints F2 for no reason at all.

I thought we got the hawks F2 back but i dont think we do.

Meh, tomorrow's problem.

 

[Godfather32]

Yall remember when I said Allan goes before Sharp in this draft which the majority disagreed with.

Not only did Essendon just take Allan-lite before Sharp, Melbourne certainly would have taken him if he was available.

 

[beatlesmith]

Some random musings while I wait an eternity for my flight home:

• I’m tipping Lindsay to be an early debutant. He has a reasonably well developed frame and his advanced skills/decision making should allow him to adapt to senior footy quickly.
• I’m really confident that Lindsay will be a long term AFL player. He might not be a massive difference maker but I think he will be an important contributor. That’s as much as you can ask for with pick 19 in a weak draft.
• Our backline is really starting to look good. Starcevich, Ginbey and Hough are an iron curtain. McCarthy and Lindsay offer real skill and dare. Just need to sort out the talls.
• Positionally I like where having these additional backmen takes us. Allan can now (hopefully) be developed as a mid or wingman. Baker can shift forward and bring more turnovers and pressure. Dewar and Maric can compete for wing and HFF spots.
• As mentioned above: Duursma, Lindsay and CDT are all mates. We also have recent Vic draftees like Reid, Reid, Shanahan, HJ and Gross. This will make their adjustment easier.
• CDT and A.Reid has the potential to be a really effective one-two punch in the ruck.
• I posted earlier in the year that we ought to be wary of drafting too many mids, so as not to create a glut that robs the young players of opportunity. I stand by that. Drafting three mids along with Evans, Banfield, Dev, Macrae and Schoenberg would have been too much. I prefer the idea of seeing what we have in a year’s time and then drafting accordingly. We will have a much better idea of whether Hall, Gross, Davis and Allan will make the grade, whether McCarthy is a better midfield option and whether the mature recruits improve our 23.
• Unfortunately I think JWill’s card is marked. I think there is a good player there but he is going to be starved of opportunities between Reid and CDT, who are going to get preferential treatment.
• I highly doubt that the recruiting team bungled the numbers for the GC bids. I suspect that they rated Addinsall and Lindsay relatively evenly and tried to test GC’s resolve knowing that they had Lindsay to fall back on. That’s the only reasonable explanation for why they traded up - because Lindsay wouldn’t have been available as a fall-back if they didn’t.

 

[Shueygod]

Why are people on here set on FRod, there’s far better talents available.

If we manage to grab one of NHH/Phillipou that is a very very good draft.