The 2nd level at Etihad - a blight on the game

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I know when we went to Etihad for the Doggies game last year we also had to sit right at the top while the seats we wanted to sit in ( and were quite prepared to pay whatever price they asked for them) were empty.

Very frustrating.
 

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No I want a bunch of the EMPTY best seats to be filled. Make them 5 dollars more than third level seats or 10, not 20 or 30.

Is there not a simple way to redistribute these to fill them. I paid $25 general admin last night. MCC gives me access one second level for $43, that's not worth it for me. Other second level for non MCC are more.
Denies that all he wants is to pay fk all for the best seats, suggests $5 as the fee to upgrade to Level 2. Haha yeah alright mate.
 

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Only the broadcast side is Medallion Club. The city side wing is the Axcess one seating and the higher priced home team members reserved seating. There isn't too many bays on L2 that are available to the public.
 

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Denies that all he wants is to pay fk all for the best seats, suggests $5 as the fee to upgrade to Level 2. Haha yeah alright mate.
If you're happy getting shafted so be it. The best thing for Melbourne would be the dogs, saints or North folding.

If I had to go week in week out to Etihad and sit on the 3rd level because the gap between 3rd and 2nd level ticket prices is about $40 I'd be pretty sick of it. It sounds to me like you are just conditioned like a good little bulldogs to getting screwed by a stadium.

I'm not talking big games where it's full but small games where there are seats galore. I'd probably get 10 or so mates and just go sit in those seats after quarter time and test the mettle of the stadium staff in wanting to kick us out.

I'm suggesting something like 1000 or 2000 of the level 2 seats are freed up for general admission to the same price as 1st or just more than 3rd level as start and are then filled with passionate fans. It will be first in best dressed and therefore people will get to the game earlier and spend more on food and drink = Etihad makes the money back anyway. Atmosphere at the game then improves as more people are closer to the play. Less people sit high on the third level (low third level seats are good, high ones not so much). More people enjoy seeing the intimate sights of a footy match and more importantly hearing the intimate sounds - the whistles, the body contact plus the crowd noise.

I'm talking small changes that are good for the clubs involved, good for Etihad and good for the game in general. The second level shows up on TV. At least filling a section of it and you'd pick a strategic area also helps the TV broadcast. Nothing worse than a dull game and whatever crowd is there doesn't even show up on TV.
 

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If you're happy getting shafted so be it. The best thing for Melbourne would be the dogs, saints or North folding.

If I had to go week in week out to Etihad and sit on the 3rd level because the gap between 3rd and 2nd level ticket prices is about $40 I'd be pretty sick of it. It sounds to me like you are just conditioned like a good little bulldogs to getting screwed by a stadium.

I'm not talking big games where it's full but small games where there are seats galore. I'd probably get 10 or so mates and just go sit in those seats after quarter time and test the mettle of the stadium staff in wanting to kick us out.

I'm suggesting something like 1000 or 2000 of the level 2 seats are freed up for general admission to the same price as 1st or just more than 3rd level as start and are then filled with passionate fans. It will be first in best dressed and therefore people will get to the game earlier and spend more on food and drink = Etihad makes the money back anyway. Atmosphere at the game then improves as more people are closer to the play. Less people sit high on the third level (low third level seats are good, high ones not so much). More people enjoy seeing the intimate sights of a footy match and more importantly hearing the intimate sounds - the whistles, the body contact plus the crowd noise.

I'm talking small changes that are good for the clubs involved, good for Etihad and good for the game in general. The second level shows up on TV. At least filling a section of it and you'd pick a strategic area also helps the TV broadcast. Nothing worse than a dull game and whatever crowd is there doesn't even show up on TV.
You say you're an MCC member, why don't they let anybody in and sit in front of the long room on lev2, if there are some spare seats?
 

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No I want a bunch of the EMPTY best seats to be filled. Make them 5 dollars more than third level seats or 10, not 20 or 30.

These seats are EMPTY people. You got the movies it's first in best dressed whoever booked. You get on a plane it's 80% economy with only a few business seats and first class seats, they don't fill half the plain with first class seats no one will buy. Etihad has an abundance, I'd say last night at least 5,000 maybe even 8,000 odd seats that were vacant on the second level.

Is there not a simple way to redistribute these to fill them. I paid $25 general admin last night. MCC gives me access one second level for $43, that's not worth it for me. Other second level for non MCC are more.

I'm not suggesting a way to screw Etihad, I just think it's bad for business and really bad for clubs who play there to have all the best seats vacant. I'm surprised more people don't at least agree with that.

You bring up all these analogous comparisons to justify your argument but ignore the most relevant one: the MCC. The exact same thing happens at a stadium a couple of kilometres away. 20, 000 seats are locked away to MCC members, many of which provide an excellent viewing experience if you're prepared to commit to an extremely hefty investment (both in terms of time spent on waiting list and financial investment.) The Medallion Club is no different.
 

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Two things master:
  1. Melbourne can pull only 10k bums on seats to a game in Melbourne
  2. MCC, AFL members, Medallion Club versus joining the footy club Melbourne fans chose to join, then the competition is expected to stump up. Equalisation for what, but thats another story.
 

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You bring up all these analogous comparisons to justify your argument but ignore the most relevant one: the MCC. The exact same thing happens at a stadium a couple of kilometres away. 20, 000 seats are locked away to MCC members, many of which provide an excellent viewing experience if you're prepared to commit to an extremely hefty investment (both in terms of time spent on waiting list and financial investment.) The Medallion Club is no different.
$500 a year and the waiting list costs you nothing but time. Majority of games at the MCG have reasonable turn outs in the MCC and it always fills up the bottom 3 levels at big games. Occasional finals or ANZAC day games have around 5,000 seats usually at the very top of the 4th level empty which is disappointing. They have brought in some adjustable fencing to help solve that problem and I hope it's something they continue to do to make those seats accessible to the public if they aren't used.

When there are 30,000 at the G there are even distribution throughout the public stands across levels.
 
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If you're happy getting shafted so be it. The best thing for Melbourne would be the dogs, saints or North folding.

If I had to go week in week out to Etihad and sit on the 3rd level because the gap between 3rd and 2nd level ticket prices is about $40 I'd be pretty sick of it. It sounds to me like you are just conditioned like a good little bulldogs to getting screwed by a stadium.

I'm not talking big games where it's full but small games where there are seats galore. I'd probably get 10 or so mates and just go sit in those seats after quarter time and test the mettle of the stadium staff in wanting to kick us out.

I'm suggesting something like 1000 or 2000 of the level 2 seats are freed up for general admission to the same price as 1st or just more than 3rd level as start and are then filled with passionate fans. It will be first in best dressed and therefore people will get to the game earlier and spend more on food and drink = Etihad makes the money back anyway. Atmosphere at the game then improves as more people are closer to the play. Less people sit high on the third level (low third level seats are good, high ones not so much). More people enjoy seeing the intimate sights of a footy match and more importantly hearing the intimate sounds - the whistles, the body contact plus the crowd noise.

I'm talking small changes that are good for the clubs involved, good for Etihad and good for the game in general. The second level shows up on TV. At least filling a section of it and you'd pick a strategic area also helps the TV broadcast. Nothing worse than a dull game and whatever crowd is there doesn't even show up on TV.
You'd buy a membership.
 

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If you're happy getting shafted so be it. The best thing for Melbourne would be the dogs, saints or North folding.

If I had to go week in week out to Etihad and sit on the 3rd level because the gap between 3rd and 2nd level ticket prices is about $40 I'd be pretty sick of it. It sounds to me like you are just conditioned like a good little bulldogs to getting screwed by a stadium.
I'm conditioned not to expect something for nothing.

Do you also expect an airline to let Economy passengers sit in Business Class for a nominal fee, just because the seats aren't filled up?
 

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My club is irrelevant. This is about small drawing crowds at Etihad and abysmal use of the available facilities.
We manage to get decent crowds at Etihad. Don't blame the stadium for your fans, amongst others, refusing to go to the venue. The affordable seats are there. People choose not to go to the game anyway. That's on the fans, not the venue.
 

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I'm conditioned not to expect something for nothing.

Do you also expect an airline to let Economy passengers sit in Business Class for a nominal fee, just because the seats aren't filled up?
How many seats on a plain are business and how many are economy?

These small drawing games at Etihad are equivalent to domestic flights. They aren't long haul internation flights on Etihad airways. Short cheap domestic flights have about 4 rows of business max. You can't rip the second level out and lower the third level (although changing configuration for soccer is something they do). So I'm saying lets change the configuration of the second level for small games.

You're paying to go. No one is sitting below you. No one is hurt by a small change in the ticket structures that result in more people attending and enjoying the game. Vision impaired, elderly, kids who don't like being up high, those with dodgy knees, backs or hips. Lots of people go walking straight passed good seats to sit in worse ones because of the cost benefit. Change the cost benefit and everyone can win.
 
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How many seats on a plain are business and how many are economy?

These small drawing games at Etihad are equivalent to domestic flights. They aren't long haul internation flights on Etihad airways. Short cheap domestic flights have about 4 rows of business max. You can't rip the second level out and lower the third level (although changing configuration for soccer is something they do). So I'm saying lets change the configuration of the second level for small games.

You're paying to go. No one is sitting below you. No one is hurt by a small change in the ticket structures that result in more people attending and enjoying the game. Vision impaired, elderly, kids who don't like being up high, those with dodgy knees, backs or hips. Lots of people go walking straight passed good seats to sit in worse ones because of the cost benefit. Change the cost benefit and everyone can win.
So the stadium should break even, or run at a loss, for the benefit of a small minority?
 

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So the stadium should break even, or run at a loss, for the benefit of a small minority?
Does it cost more money for someone to sit on the second level than third? I think it would actually cost less as you'd cart less food, drink, cleaning materials etc up an extra level, only a small difference but still counts.

4 tickets at 25 for third level plus 2 at 50 for second level = 200. 6 tickets at 33 for second level costs 200. I'd pay $8 more for a second level ticket but not $25 more. Make it only a small amount of tickets so axcess one, medallion club and reserved seats retain their value. Plus it's only for small games so it makes little difference for a lot of games. Make them on sale only at the ground and as they'll sell out quickly people will turn up for these 2,000 good seats. They'll buy more food and drink to contribute more to Etihad's bank balance.

I don't understand why people are against it. It's a way for everyone to benefit.

Have you been to an Etihad game with a crowd of 30,000 or less? It really is like going to the movies with a giant lot of empty seats right where everyone would like to sit.
 
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Does it cost more money for someone to sit on the second level than third? I think it would actually cost less as you'd cart less food, drink, cleaning materials etc up an extra level, only a small difference but still counts.

4 tickets at 25 for third level plus 2 at 50 for second level = 200. 6 tickets at 33 for second level costs 200. I'd pay $8 more for a second level ticket but not $25 more. Make it only a small amount of tickets so axcess one, medallion club and reserved seats retain their value. Plus it's only for small games so it makes little difference for a lot of games. Make them on sale only at the ground and as they'll sell out quickly people will turn up for these 2,000 good seats. They'll buy more food and drink to contribute more to Etihad's bank balance.

I don't understand why people are against it. It's a way for everyone to benefit.

Have you been to an Etihad game with a crowd of 30,000 or less? It really is like going to the movies with a giant lot of empty seats right where everyone would like to sit.
What about half full Gold Class sessions? Should they sell those cheap?

And unsold Ferrari's? Why not sell them for $10k?
 

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I'd wager you could have purchased Medallion Club tickets for last nights game on eBay for no more than $20 each, including a car park.
 

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Good on you hero. It's funny seeing all the angry WA people in this thread just because there government can't manage to build a stadium even half as troubled as Etihad.
lol. You are the angry one having a sook expecting sympathy because you are too stingy to pay for a prime viewing ticket at the footy.
 

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No I want a bunch of the EMPTY best seats to be filled. Make them 5 dollars more than third level seats or 10, not 20 or 30.

These seats are EMPTY people. You got the movies it's first in best dressed whoever booked. You get on a plane it's 80% economy with only a few business seats and first class seats, they don't fill half the plain with first class seats no one will buy. Etihad has an abundance, I'd say last night at least 5,000 maybe even 8,000 odd seats that were vacant on the second level.

Is there not a simple way to redistribute these to fill them. I paid $25 general admin last night. MCC gives me access one second level for $43, that's not worth it for me. Other second level for non MCC are more.

I'm not suggesting a way to screw Etihad, I just think it's bad for business and really bad for clubs who play there to have all the best seats vacant. I'm surprised more people don't at least agree with that.
I know what you're saying about the look of the place, but that doesn't mean that's economically sensible. You're suggesting that they charge a nominal fee to sit there, and of course that means that everyone that currently pays an extra $35 (I believe they're $60 atm) for that seat will also now pay $5. There's a fair chunk of money you're losing right there, and how will they make up the dollars? They aren't going to get many more (if any) people through the gates, but they might get a few paying the extra $5. But if we say there are 3000 there now that pay the extra $35, you'd need to get an extra 18,000 paying the $5 to just break even. Not happening, and that's not good for business.
 

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So the stadium should break even, or run at a loss, for the benefit of a small minority?
How would it lose money by charging less than current level 2 BUt charging more than what is paid for level 3. These small games currently have near zero level 2 attendance, if they charged 10 and got 1000 who would've sat level 3 they 10000 better off. And possibly some who might not have gone as level 3 too hard might attend level 2
 
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