Analysis The Ablett Effect
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It is front loader and averages out according to reports at 800k a season over six years. So not exactly the full story. His contract will be heavily reduced the latter years.
happy to wait and see, but I doubt tassie offer anything similar when they come in
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It won't be tassie doing the offering.
It still made more sense than a sober well thought out meteoric rise post.
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Crawf captained the club from 99-04. He quit after that broken arm season.
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Yeah, I mangled that badly. I meant to say having him captain was a mess and we needed a genuine leader not just our best player.
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The right guy for that role at the time was Nick Riewoldt. Inspirational key forward in his physical prime (27) who was a Gold Coast junior (Broadbeach/Southport), 4x All Australian, 1x league MVP, 5x club best and fairest and had captained the Saints to 2x Grand Final appearances. Riewoldt himself even admitted that the closest he ever came to leaving St Kilda was when Gold Coast presented him a godfather offer in 2010, but he turned it down because the Saints were in the middle of a premiership window at the time and he wanted to win a flag.
No doubt in my mind he was the right leader for the club at the time. A proven high quality leader who had just come off a season that included 78 goals and a genuine 'local hero returns home' marketing story akin to Darren Jarman joining the Crows or Gavin Wanganeen joining Port Adelaide when those clubs entered the league. Unfortunately, the Saints lost both the 2009 & 2010 GFs and their premiership window shut a year later when the opportunity to come home was no longer available. So both parties lost in the end.
Riewoldt would have been both the best player and the best leader at the club if he had joined in 2011 (assuming Ablett didn't go).
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Gaz did want to play out his career at Geelong, turned down the Gold Coast a few times before the offer was just to good to refuse, and in the end being able to help his family financially was the ultimate deal breaker.
His intentions were always to return to Geelong though, pushed at the end of 2016 but a deal couldn’t be done.
GC sought a superstar who would attract the supporters but also be the leader to galvanize the club. Not many fit that bill. They needed a Luke Hodge type captain. Gaz was inspirational via his individual efforts. A superlative player. Had he need been injured he would’ve carried them to their first ever finals campaign. Presumably at the very least his presence would’ve lifted training standards and expectations - something that Judd did at Carlton.
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Just because it's extremely relevant to the comparison made in the OP, 2019 pick 3 RJ Barrett just got traded home to the Toronto Raptors and could not stop gushing about how happy he was to be home and playing for the team he grew up supporting. This is a full circle moment for Toronto as a top draft product of The Carter Effect has now come home to play for the Raptors. For context, Barrett's father Rowan used to play pick up games with Vince Carter while he was a Raptor so there is a strong connection there. It must be stressed that basketball had a very small following in Canada prior to Vince Carter being drafted. Likewise, the Aussie rules following on the Gold Coast was certainly niche when Ablett arrived and now we see top draft prospects saying in pre-draft interviews that they grew up supporting the Suns, are excited to play for their hometown team and idolised Ablett in the years he wore the red and gold.
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Good OP from GC2015
Thankfully no posters gave Shane Heard any airtime & Im glad Hairy0 & Runsv were called out for their made up lies, they were really starting to embarrass themselves which meteoric rise is also succeeding in doing.
I’ve got to say it’s good to see a few GC kids now being drafted & drafted high.
Let’s hope it continues.
IMO, there will be more Qlders drafted than WA kids in the near future, partly due to WAFC stuffing up jnr footy over here, but that’s for a different thread, but possibly also thanks to the effort the 2 Qld clubs go to investing in their academies & maybe The GA effect
Thankfully no posters gave Shane Heard any airtime & Im glad Hairy0 & Runsv were called out for their made up lies, they were really starting to embarrass themselves which meteoric rise is also succeeding in doing.
I’ve got to say it’s good to see a few GC kids now being drafted & drafted high.
Let’s hope it continues.
IMO, there will be more Qlders drafted than WA kids in the near future, partly due to WAFC stuffing up jnr footy over here, but that’s for a different thread, but possibly also thanks to the effort the 2 Qld clubs go to investing in their academies & maybe The GA effect
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Seems that Dimma has also drawn the comparisons between the Suns and Raptors. When you really think about it, there's so many similarities between the two teams prior to the Raptors' championship run.
Falls down a bit when there's a more established, successful team further north than you though.
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Not really. The Suns are a northern club based in an expansion market - that's undeniable. It's not a question of how far north, but rather if you are north. Granted the Suns could/should be more successful on the field and that would help, but Brisbane aren't making the same kind of inroads into grassroots male footy that the Suns are. The two rugby codes have a much stronger grip on the Brisbane market than they do on the Gold Coast. For all the success the Lions have had in recent years, their academy hasn't produced a top 10 pick to date. Eric Hipwood (pick 14, 2015) and Jaspa Fletcher (pick 12, 2022) are the only first round picks their academy has produced so far and even then, Hipwood isn't from Brisbane (grew up on the Sunshine Coast) and Fletcher was a father-son pick so that's not a great indication of market penetration either.
The true goal of the northern teams is to expand the game's footprint at the grassroots level and I believe the Gold Coast is achieving this at a faster rate than both the Brisbane and Sydney markets. This is going to the extreme but think about it this way, would you rather your academy zone encompass the 250k people who live in Geelong OR the 2 million people that live in western Sydney? I think most would choose Geelong given the amount/quality of players that are produced by both markets.
Apply that to Queensland footy - would you rather have a local academy zone of approximately 800k people which encompasses 30-40% of junior athletes that play/are interested in Aussie rules and your sport is legitimately competing with the most popular sport for supremecy (with very little stopping it from growing further) OR would you choose a local academy zone of 2.5 million where 5-10% of junior athletes play/are interested in Aussie rules and you're a long way off being the most popular code.
10% of the Brisbane market is approx 250k and 30% of the Gold Coast market is approx 240k so you're probably looking at a similar amount of male juniors playing the game in both markets. It's just one has a far greater appetite for it and it's showing in the quality of draftees that are being produced by both academies. If Brisbane wasn't tied down by these historical/cultural links to the rugby codes then it would be a no brainer due to population size and the potential of the Brisbane market is really shown in the female game where the rugby codes don't have a grip on the girls in the same the way that they do for the boys.
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Absolutely spot on.Well, this thread took an unexpected twist. It was intended to spark conversation about the generational change of sporting preferences we're now seeing come to the fore on the Gold Coast and how Ablett played a big role in that. Instead everyone just wants to discuss Ablett's leadership, contract and religious beliefs.
Go figure
Almost impossible to have a decent discussion with any topic on this board unfortunately.
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I like this thread, people are 100% right. He was awful at GC and they would take back that trade in a heartbeat.
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Cash, you know just like in the real world.
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Yeah, I'm sure he knew when he signed his contract that his sister would die. He was lucky being born with the Ablett / Tuck genes but unlucky that his strand of the family were leeches who he needed money to support.
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Gold Coast is an intriguing market
So many attempts have been made by various sporting codes to establish a team there with middling success
So many attempts have been made by various sporting codes to establish a team there with middling success
Campbell Brown went up there as well for some experience in the team. That worked out well didn't it
Brown as captian would have been interesting
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Jesus didn't fart, apparently, but may have liked a bit of reefa, kane, kannebis. It may explain certain of his beliefs and and his followers poor memories, for example, forgetting where he was buried, and perhaps explains some of their visions, and if the practice was maintained, may also explain the failure to maintain narrative form in parts of the gospels. With the victory of Paul over James and Peter, a terrible asceticism descended on the new cult which resulted in bizarre hang ups, guilt, self laceration and in turn led to an over compensation in wearing long colourful flowing gowns, and stockings.
