Sorry, I meant where is this definition of a growing baby inside the mother's womb a "non-living" entity that you mentioned. It's seems completely counterintuitive.The “life begins at conception” definition.
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Sorry, I meant where is this definition of a growing baby inside the mother's womb a "non-living" entity that you mentioned. It's seems completely counterintuitive.The “life begins at conception” definition.
I don't know what senator you're talking about or what the context of those comments are. It seems I am talking about abortion in general and others are referring specifically to Alabama. I don't like what they've done in Alabama. It doesn't make much pragmatic sense.When asked, the senator said “it’s exempt, it’s not in the woman. She is not pregnant”
But it is, according to those anti-choice people a life, is it not?.
That sounds like seeking to control reproductive rights and women.
Effectively the same. What are the substantial differences that necessitate removing a terminated but viable foetus over a live viable one, in the sole interests of a mother’s health, but not at a risk to her life?
I never said they were exactly the same.The procedures are not the same
The frequency of doing them is not the same
They are not equivalent
I never said they were exactly the same.
Do they both involve surgery? What risks to a mother’s health are alleviated by one form of surgery over another. Are these risks worth the cost of a viable human?
Numerous. Why do you jump to the most malevolent of possible motivations as the likely culprit? This thinking is a major part of why discussion of anything difficult becomes s**t so quickly and so often - assign the worse of possible motivations on your adversary and make not only their argument but them the bad guy. It's crap.Can you find a more likely motivation with more evidence behind it?
Because I can’t find any other motivation.Numerous. Why do you jump to the most malevolent of possible motivations as the likely culprit? This thinking is a major part of why discussion of anything difficult becomes **** so quickly and so often - assign the worse of possible motivations on your adversary and make not only their argument but them the bad guy. It's crap.
You don't want to. The reality is that not everyone who is against abortion is male for starters. Do the females against it want to control women's reproduction? To what end and why? Some attribute their position to religion, sure. Others just pure principle.Because I can’t find any other motivation.
Saving lives? Treating each life as sacred? Even if you call a mass of cells “life”, they execute people in Alabama.
It’s about control.
I’m talking about Alabama.You don't want to. The reality is that not everyone who is against abortion is male for starters. Do the females against it want to control women's reproduction? To what end and why? Some attribute their position to religion, sure. Others just pure principle.
Anyone who supports the death penalty and is pro-life is a hypocrite IMO. Won't argue there.
Ok, so what are these legislators in Alabama trying to achieve and where is the evidence?I’m talking about Alabama.
These don't mean anything. It's Mabo. It's... The vibe....Going back -
* Control.
* Over women.
* As evidenced by the disregard for fertilized embryos.
* As evidenced by the death penalty.
It wouldn't stray from any scientific definition. I think if we're being honest with ourselves, you can't argue that as soon as a fertilised egg starts splitting the cells and multiplying that isn't life. It's just reality.What is your definition of life?
Well I don't know what to tell ya Chief. They are vague and accusatory without any rationale or endstate provided.They’re clear as day to me.
I know those surgeries aren’t the same, but you’re not telling what is the difference between two that both involve removing a body from another larger body.An arthroscopy is not the same as a C-Section is not the same as open heart surgery.
Not all surgery is the same. So no they shouldn't be compared.
There is the chance they aren't internally consistent through sheer ignorance. In fact I'd say it's the most likely scenario. But regardless, the point I'm making is that controlling women (or controlling reproduction) is a massive accusation that requires similarly big evidence. Is the mandatory draft registration in the US some big conspiracy to control men too? People jump to the most nefarious of possible explanations too often as I said before. Especially when there's no attempt to articulate what the conspiracy is with any sort of detail.The evidence is right there.
Conservative religious people claiming it’s about the sanctity of life when it clearly isn’t given their other actions.
Yes mandatory draft was aimed at making men do what the government wanted them to do. Controlling their labour.There is the chance they aren't internally consistent through sheer ignorance. In fact I'd say it's the most likely scenario. But regardless, the point I'm making is that controlling women (or controlling reproduction) is a massive accusation that requires similarly big evidence. Is the mandatory draft registration in the US some big conspiracy to control men too? People jump to the most nefarious of possible explanations too often as I said before. Especially when there's no attempt to articulate what the conspiracy is with any sort of detail.
Going back -
* Control.
* Over women.
* As evidenced by the disregard for fertilized embryos.
* As evidenced by the death penalty.
You have a problem when the argument is framed as:How does a State having the death penalty have anything to do with abortion? Executing an unborn child doesn't seem comparable to executing someone who has had a fair chance at life and has committed egregious crimes against other innocent people. You want to make other arguments in favour of abortion, sure go ahead, but you can't argue with a straight face that killing an unborn child is the same as executing a violent and dangerous criminal.
You have a problem when the argument is framed as:
“The Legislature has spoken,” she said. “It underscores the sanctity of life the people of Alabama value so highly.”
http://time.com/5592944/alabama-governor-abortion-ban-comments/