The Academies - 2016

[Dogsman16]

If they take away the academy's then we will just go back to cherry picking the best Victorians, South and west Australians.

Thanks for the next batch of Jeremy Cameron's and Dylan shiels!

I'm betting that you'll continue to draft household names like O'Rourke, Plowman, Sumner, Buntine etc and continue to sell players of that ilk for a bag of chips. lol

 

[dlanod]

We had Weller for 4 years not 8 months unlike GWS

Maybe 4 years ago when we signed him up it was all legit and the rules got changed? No idea

Nope. Rules haven't changed - Weller was never eligible for nominating by GC, but in their academy anyway. Brisbane has Himmelberg (brother to the GWS player) and a Lambert son in their academy this year. Neither are eligible for academy nominations due to the residency requirements. These generally get glossed over in the academy hatred.

So GWS academy boys who have boarded at private schools for the past 3-4 years in Melbourne..
Isn't that there place of residence..?
Or it it just where there parents supposably live?

It's their registered address, so generally where their parents are given we're talking about kids here. I doubt many kids in boarding school consider it home.

 

[jjami15]

Todd Marshall and Max lynch recently signed up this year.
Eligible for the 20% discount supposably.

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news...-come-under-new-scrutiny-20160419-goa8se.html


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...m/news-story/8f0c11b65b9c7561d5bf134055e4d6f8

This is not right and can understand other clubs sentiments. I personally would allow just three academy kids to be picked no matter where they fall with others having to understand that if they all fall in the first round that club would have had to trade players out to have enough points to get them. Five years is what is required and should be in the academy for this duration of time to be eligible. I don't think that academy players should be made to choose between education and football and this should not come into it.

 

[dlanod]

Do you know the qualification requirements? Might of well not had one. Same for Port.
If we compare what consessions GWS got with what the Cries got when we started up then you might realize what a real struggle is. For one we were not even allowed to draft players outside of SA.

Adelaide had a real struggle, where they won a premiership in six years after entry. Nine 100+ game players in their inaugural team. Bears had one player that went on to play 100+ games. Fremantle had five (not counting Bell, who left after the first year). Port had 12. The SA teams seem really hard-done by with rules on introduction.

 

[dlanod]

I'm betting that you'll continue to draft household names like O'Rourke, Plowman, Sumner, Buntine etc and continue to sell players of that ilk for a bag of chips. lol

Nah, take that theory to the SOS supporters club.

 

[Colonial]

I'm betting that you'll continue to draft household names like O'Rourke, Plowman, Sumner, Buntine etc and continue to sell players of that ilk for a bag of chips. lol

If the blues wanna keep on paying, who are we to say no.

 

[isamedthegiants]

Like GWS are only taking kids from their academy. If another Cameron is there in the draft and you have an academy player who isn't quite as good your gonna take another Cameron.
Please.

Well we did last year.

And will again this year.

We have no scouts in the Western states, so we're not interested in WA or SA talent...

 

[Colonial]

Like GWS are only taking kids from their academy. If another Cameron is there in the draft and you have an academy player who isn't quite as good your gonna take another Cameron.
Please.

You really should research.

 

[george2]

I like the academies as it is keeping young kids from NSW and QLD in the AFL system, there is a few concerns though as the amount of quality players that are being produced at the moment is astounding. I think that the teams who run the academies should be restricted to having rights to one player a year in the main draft and then if they aren't picked in the main draft they have rights to them for the rookie draft.

 

[coniglio_number1]

I like the academies as it is keeping young kids from NSW and QLD in the AFL system, there is a few concerns though as the amount of quality players that are being produced at the moment is astounding. I think that the teams who run the academies should be restricted to having rights to one player a year in the main draft and then if they aren't picked in the main draft they have rights to them for the rookie draft.

i prefer the choice of open draft or academy. if you draft academy players then you cant take any players from outside the academy.

 

[george2]

i prefer the choice of open draft or academy. if you draft academy players then you cant take any players from outside the academy.

So your saying that if you have your academies you can only draft from them? and not from any other state?

 

[Suma Magic]

If an Academy is so fruitful that it's clearly preferential to participating in the draft then it's no wonder that clubs are concerned.

The advantages should only be marginal over those clubs not afforded academies.

 

[Colonial]

If an Academy is so fruitful that it's clearly preferential to participating in the draft then it's no wonder that clubs are concerned.

The advantages should only be marginal over those clubs not afforded academies.

They are beneficial because they are players from our own state. We still have to pay for them

 

[Suma Magic]

They are beneficial because they are players from our own state. We still have to pay for them

I was referring to the Academy or open draft choice comment.

But in regards to your comment, I agree but would add that they are beneficial as you can access players at a discount.

 

[CallumMills2020]

I think Eddie and his mates want to have a bit of a think about this latest knee jerk reaction to the Riverina.

As it stands GWS has 3 1st round selections in the 2016 Draft which for all intents and purposes will be used on Academy kids. For this they will pay a heavy price particularly if all 3 kids are bid on in the first round which appears likely.

If the Riverina zone is removed the Giants will have no choice but to use these 3 picks on the best available talent aka Bowes, McCluggage, Petrevski-Seton etc and not have to pay a cent!!

They can then parlay this into the 2017 superdraft by trading McCarthy, Tomlinson, Patton, Stewart, Marchbank, Steele and again get a bunch of 1st and 2nd rounders which will be used without paying a cent.

If the Riverina Zone remains in place yes GWS will secure Macreadie, Setterfield and perhaps Mutch and maybe Brander and Spargo in 17'. For that they will forego higher rated talent and will pay through the nose.

I think the Riverina whilst providing closer to home grown talent could potentially be a negative for the Giants as they ignore better players and pay heavily for the privilege. As the team continues to get stronger and win more the lure of home will dissipate for those getting a game and the others would be encouraged to move on whilst they have currency.

The more I think of it ole Ed and co may be doing the expansion clubs a favour!!

 

[Suma Magic]

I think Eddie and his mates want to have a bit of a think about this latest knee jerk reaction to the Riverina.

As it stands GWS has 3 1st round selections in the 2016 Draft which for all intents and purposes will be used on Academy kids. For this they will pay a heavy price particularly if all 3 kids are bid on in the first round which appears likely.

If the Riverina zone is removed the Giants will have no choice but to use these 3 picks on the best available talent aka Bowes, McCluggage, Petrevski-Seton etc and not have to pay a cent!!

They can then parlay this into the 2017 superdraft by trading McCarthy, Tomlinson, Patton, Stewart, Marchbank, Steele and again get a bunch of 1st and 2nd rounders which will be used without paying a cent.

If the Riverina Zone remains in place yes GWS will secure Macreadie, Setterfield and perhaps Mutch and maybe Brander and Spargo in 17'. For that they will forego higher rated talent and will pay through the nose.

I think the Riverina whilst providing closer to home grown talent could potentially be a negative for the Giants as they ignore better players and pay heavily for the privilege. As the team continues to get stronger and win more the lure of home will dissipate for those getting a game and the others would be encouraged to move on whilst they have currency.

The more I think of it ole Ed and co may be doing the expansion clubs a favour!!

Can you explain how the Giants could get non-Academy selections without paying a cent?

 

[CallumMills2020]

Can you explain how the Giants could get non-Academy selections without paying a cent?

What I mean is that they will just take them with their selections, they won't have to worry about securing enough points. They will also make uncompromised selections picking the best available per pick.

The Giants have been stung by losing some top end Victorian talent to poachers so are a bit gun shy but at the end of the day they are becoming a powerhouse so a good percentage of their core will want to hang around and be a part of that. When you have a successful program less players seek trades...look at the Swans.

 

[Suma Magic]

What I mean is that they will just take them with their selections, they won't have to worry about securing enough points. They will also make uncompromised selections picking the best available per pick.

The Giants have been stung by losing some top end Victorian talent to poachers so are a bit gun shy but at the end of the day they are becoming a powerhouse so a good percentage of their core will want to hang around and be a part of that. When you have a successful program less players seek trades...look at the Swans.

So you are arguing that securing draft picks at the market rate is cheaper than securing them at a discounted rate?

I'm beginning to think that you are an anti-Academy troll.

 

[CallumMills2020]

So you are arguing that securing draft picks at the market rate is cheaper than securing them at a discounted rate?

I'm beginning to think that you are an anti-Academy troll.

No it is cheaper to get the discount but that doesn't mean you are getting the best available player.

The Riverina does not have a mortgage on the best players, they come from everywhere so GWS can source them from outside.

The horse has already bolted, the depth is off the charts and will be used to solidify the position over the next 5-10 years.

Things like future trading which some (Collingwood) were so keen to bring in will only lengthen the strong period for the Giants.

The currency is there no matter what and will either be used on Academy players or the best available.

 

[Suma Magic]

Your claims that they pay more "a heavy price" for academy selections than draft choices "not a cent" are not true. If the non-academy options are preferable at any selection in the draft then they will select them.

They always get the best available player (as they alone make every selection). And often they get them at a discount to what other clubs can pay.

 

[CallumMills2020]

Do you think they had Himmelberg rated the 16 best player? Do you think they had Flynn that high??

Absolutely not but they had to match bids. This is not to say they are not nice players but if there was no incentive would they have reached? I'm not sure they would.

With 3 early picks this year will they overlook a jet without an incentive, what if the key is in a needed position.

I just think the real issue was the stuff that happened earlier and this reaction is more sour grapes.

 

[Cleric]

Adelaide had a real struggle, where they won a premiership in six years after entry. Nine 100+ game players in their inaugural team. Bears had one player that went on to play 100+ games. Fremantle had five (not counting Bell, who left after the first year). Port had 12. The SA teams seem really hard-done by with rules on introduction.

That was due to a well ran football club. One that came from the history of the SANFL.
We were not allowed to draft players from outside SA. We were only allowed to get one ex- SA player from each team (couldnt poach players who came from other states). We had no mini drafts to auction off. We had no prelisting of the best u17s in the land.
Seriously, GWS and GC have been given such a leg up it is crazy. And if that wasnt enough giving GWS the first pick at the Riverina kids for a discount is even more crazy.
How did Freo go with their consessions?

 

[coniglio_number1]

That was due to a well ran football club. One that came from the history of the SANFL.
We were not allowed to draft players from outside SA. We were only allowed to get one ex- SA player from each team (couldnt poach players who came from other states). We had no mini drafts to auction off. We had no prelisting of the best u17s in the land.
Seriously, GWS and GC have been given such a leg up it is crazy. And if that wasnt enough giving GWS the first pick at the Riverina kids for a discount is even more crazy.
How did Freo go with their consessions?

given how painful the entry of brisbane and freo went it makes sense that the league learnt from the past and made changes

 

[go_the_dockers]

given how painful the entry of brisbane and freo went it makes sense that the league learnt from the past and made changes

I think they have gone too far the other way.

And the GWS academy with 5 top 30 picks is too much. This is more players than WA had last year and probably this year as well.

Picks is based on Young Talent Time draft, which has 6 GWS players before pick 35.

The zone needs to be rained in very quickly.

 

[coniglio_number1]

I think they have gone too far the other way.

And the GWS academy with 5 top 30 picks is too much. This is more players than WA had last year and probably this year as well.

Picks is based on Young Talent Time draft, which has 6 GWS players before pick 35.

The zone needs to be rained in very quickly.

That just proves how well the academy is working and what happens when effort is poured into the region. I don't doubt the Riverina will be phased out but will probably not happen for a minimum of 2-3 years I imagine. Helps having a hopper available when player the caliber of treloar walks out of the club