Star Wars The Acolyte

[SM]

I'm not unhappy, again you've misunderstood. I was saying that no more acolyte meaning no plagueis show, isn't what I consider a huge loss.

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Bloody hell.

 

[JackOutback]

Plagueis is one of those ideas that people say they want but is probably better in theory than action. He’s intriguing because he’s only hinted at in the movies and sounds badass, plus there’s a generally well liked book that runs off the reader’s imagination. I’m not convinced any kind of TV show or movie would be able to get the tone right or deliver a satisfying story. Could end up a real Book of Boba Fett rather than an Andor.

As for original ideas, absolutely they should be looking for more original ideas rather than constantly leaning on characters we liked from earlier movies. edgie is not wrong there. Of course, there’s room for both. Ideally, movies should be original ideas that hint at familiar events or times, while legacy characters and ideas could be streaming events.

 

[SM]

Plagueis is one of those ideas that people say they want but is probably better in theory than action. He’s intriguing because he’s only hinted at in the movies and sounds badass, plus there’s a generally well liked book that runs off the reader’s imagination. I’m not convinced any kind of TV show or movie would be able to get the tone right or deliver a satisfying story. Could end up a real Book of Boba Fett rather than an Andor.

As for original ideas, absolutely they should be looking for more original ideas rather than constantly leaning on characters we liked from earlier movies. edgie is not wrong there. Of course, there’s room for both. Ideally, movies should be original ideas that hint at familiar events or times, while legacy characters and ideas could be streaming events.

Cutting out all characters created by Lucas arbitrarily is ****ing dumb if it's done without nuance or reason. It's just as dumb as having characters constantly cameo in each other's shows when they don't need to. There's such a thing as a balanced approach.

 

[Royces Hart]

Plagueis is one of those ideas that people say they want but is probably better in theory than action. He’s intriguing because he’s only hinted at in the movies and sounds badass, plus there’s a generally well liked book that runs off the reader’s imagination. I’m not convinced any kind of TV show or movie would be able to get the tone right or deliver a satisfying story. Could end up a real Book of Boba Fett rather than an Andor.

As for original ideas, absolutely they should be looking for more original ideas rather than constantly leaning on characters we liked from earlier movies. edgie is not wrong there. Of course, there’s room for both. Ideally, movies should be original ideas that hint at familiar events or times, while legacy characters and ideas could be streaming events.

That’s why I never want to see a Yoda origin story or exploration of his species/homeworld.

I don’t need to know that they live in pineapples under the sea.

 

[Gasometer]

That’s why I never want to see a Yoda origin story or exploration of his species/homeworld.

I don’t need to know that they live in pineapples under the sea.

I would see a Skeleton Crew II made of teenage Yodas

 

[JackOutback]

Cutting out all characters created by Lucas arbitrarily is ****ing dumb if it's done without nuance or reason. It's just as dumb as having characters constantly cameo in each other's shows when they don't need to. There's such a thing as a balanced approach.

That seems like an extreme interpretation of Edgie’s point of view. He just said we don’t need a movie or show for every character referenced in earlier films. Which is fair. I remember at the beginning, when it seemed like there were origin films in place for Yoda, Boba Fett, Lando, Solo etc. It seemed like too much. I was against the Solo movie because I thought the role was too iconic to recast, at least at that time. Some could work, but you have to be judicious about which characters you lean in on. Maybe Plagueis is one of those that would work, maybe not.

 

[SM]

That seems like an extreme interpretation of Edgie’s point of view. He just said we don’t need a movie or show for every character referenced in earlier films. Which is fair. I remember at the beginning, when it seemed like there were origin films in place for Yoda, Boba Fett, Lando, Solo etc. It seemed like too much. I was against the Solo movie because I thought the role was too iconic to recast, at least at that time. Some could work, but you have to be judicious about which characters you lean in on. Maybe Plagueis is one of those that would work, maybe not.

Thats not what he said. I clarified and he said we don't need shows of any Lucas characters, whether seen or unseen.

 

[manureid]

Lucas characters or not Lucas characters argument i care not. This show was just shit. Bad story telling bad acting. Terrible.

More Andor, less of this crap please.

 

[SM]

I tend to find with a lot of this stuff that if people like a product - e.g. Andor - then 'woke nonsense' is ignored (Andor is heavily political, has openly gay characters and a non-white lead), but if people don't engage with a product, then they blame their dislike of it on 'wokeness' rather than critically assessing why they don't like something. Essentially something like Andor was facing an uphill battle for the start, and such was its appeal that it overcame this issue.

Something like Skeleton Crew, by contrast, has a white male lead and somehow I suspect it won't be viewed quite so critically.

Interesting take SM.

 

[edgie]

Cutting out all characters created by Lucas arbitrarily is ****ing dumb if it's done without nuance or reason. It's just as dumb as having characters constantly cameo in each other's shows when they don't need to. There's such a thing as a balanced approach.

It's not cutting out ffs, it's just not making them the centrepiece of an unnecessary 'fill in the gaps' show.

Something like Mon Mothma in Andor is totally fine. Luke showing up in Mando 2 was fine. A new show with someone like Plagueis is not needed, and probably won't be good either. If something is gonna be mediocre or worse, do it to original characters and concepts. If something is gonna be good, then it's also better for the future of Star Wars for it to be original characters and concepts.

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[edgie]

Thats not what he said. I clarified and he said we don't need shows of any Lucas characters, whether seen or unseen.

Nah man, Jack has definitely understood more clearly than you did.

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[Royces Hart]

Interesting take SM.

Quoting oneself, cringe.

 

[SM]

It's not cutting out ffs, it's just not making them the centrepiece of an unnecessary 'fill in the gaps' show.

Something like Mon Mothma in Andor is totally fine. Luke showing up in Mando 2 was fine. A new show with someone like Plagueis is not needed, and probably won't be good either. If something is gonna be mediocre or worse, do it to original characters and concepts. If something is gonna be good, then it's also better for the future of Star Wars for it to be original characters and concepts.

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How the **** was Plagueis the centrepiece of The Acolyte?

 

[SM]

Quoting oneself, cringe.

Yes, it's called bumping a take that has proven to be correct. Unironically using cringe is, well..

 

[SM]

Nah man, Jack has definitely understood more clearly than you did.

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You said you didn't want stories about Lucas characters, not even ones mentioned in his work. So I presume you won't be watching Ahsoka season 2, since that's a show literally devoted to a Lucas created character.

 

[edgie]

How the **** was Plagueis the centrepiece of The Acolyte?

Omfg

He wasn't

The argument was that acolyte being cancelled is bad because now we won't get more Darth plagueis or Darth plagueis series.

I was totally ok with no Darth plagueis series.

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[edgie]

You said you didn't want stories about Lucas characters, not even ones mentioned in his work. So I presume you won't be watching Ahsoka season 2, since that's a show literally devoted to a Lucas created character.

Depends what direction it takes. If it's gonna get made then it's gonna get made regardless of my opinion believe it or not.

If they focus primarily on the new galaxy with Baylan, Ahsoka, and hot chick, then I would be interested as even with Ahsoka, it's a fresh start.

If they bring it back to normal galaxy with Erza and Sabine then interest will be low.

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[SM]

Depends what direction it takes. If it's gonna get made then it's gonna get made regardless of my opinion believe it or not.

If they focus primarily on the new galaxy with Baylan, Ahsoka, and hot chick, then I would be interested as even with Ahsoka, it's a fresh start.

If they bring it back to normal galaxy with Erza and Sabine then interest will be low.

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What do you mean if it gets made?

 

[SM]

Omfg

He wasn't

The argument was that acolyte being cancelled is bad because now we won't get more Darth plagueis or Darth plagueis series.

I was totally ok with no Darth plagueis series.

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Dear God this is painful. I'll just circle back to weird hill and leave it there.

 

[edgie]

What do you mean if it gets made?

What I mean is, depends which direction it takes, and whatever direction that is, it will have nothing to do with me.

Ffs you're taking everything so literal, even Jack understood me but you insist on being deliberately obtuse.

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[SM]

What I mean is, depends which direction it takes, and whatever direction that is, it will have nothing to do with me.

Ffs you're taking everything so literal, even Jack understood me but you insist on being deliberately obtuse.

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You're the one making strange point after strange point. If you didn't mean what you wrote then be clearer.

 

[Beerfish]

Dear God this is painful.

I'll just circle back to weird hill and leave it there.

 

[SM]

The Plageuis line of discussion.

Nice of you to drive, er I mean pop, by.

 

[edgie]

You're the one making strange point after strange point. If you didn't mean what you wrote then be clearer.

I mean the fact that others understood it should say something that it was clear enough for most.

It's utterly bizarre you're trying to tell me what I actually mean time and time again, and when I consistently clarify it to you, you can't even just throw out a customary 'agree to disagree' or discuss on point rather than get personal.

I've made one point, several times over, and all of those times it has gone over your head and you've morphed it in to some other argument that would want to have instead.

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[SM]

I mean the fact that others understood it should say something that it was clear enough for most.

It's utterly bizarre you're trying to tell me what I actually mean time and time again, and when I consistently clarify it to you, you can't even just throw out a customary 'agree to disagree' or discuss on point rather than get personal.

I've made one point, several times over, and all of those times it has gone over your head and you've morphed it in to some other argument that would want to have instead.

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Nothing's gone over my head, you've made a ridiculous point to justify not enjoying a show. You thought seeing Plageuis made it less enjoyable because he was a character you didn't want to learn about, and suggested you didn't want to see any Lucas characters in shows because you wanted new things. You even considered Mon Mothma as to whether she would count, demonstrating the point you were making.