Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

  • Total voters
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When 50,000 years of culture is destroyed in less than 200 years, there is no clear game book to work from.

Right now, the aboriginal community is pursuing a principal of Respect.

In Adam's case, it simply means understanding the context behind his reaction to Eddie McGuire, the girl in the crowd and the celebratory dance.

And perhaps the Respect to NOT boo one of the greatest aboriginal players ever. Is that too much to ask?

exactly - great post - shame it will be lost on most on here....
 

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A true racist would boo every single aboriginal player not just Goodes... Narrow minded media outlets and like minded people conforming to political correctness.
No. Most racists are cowards and would never admit they are racists. In this case, they can cling/hide behind the "Goodes is a dickhead" excuse and mob mentality, and pretend they are not racist. When the reality is they can't handle his opinions on indigenous matters.
 

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Well I'm not going to stop just because a bunch of PC do-gooders say it's not right. My reasons for booing Goodes and other players are perfectly valid. You can't tell people who and who not to cheer for or boo.
You may as well stop whining for being called out as a racist then. Free speech and all that.
 

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No one answered my last serious question, i guess they cant. So i will try a different one..

In the future are we supposed to just not boo any aboriginal players? How are we to know how our booing is going to be interpreted? Doesnt that lead to more division and walking around on egg shells? Wouldnt the fact that i feel comfortable enough to boo adam goodes the way i would boo anyone else mean we are in a better place now than if i were to stop booing him just because he is aboriginal even tho my boos had nothing to do with race in the first place?
I suppose the question you need to ask is:

Are the supporters of every other club going to boo Sam Mitchell every time he goes near the ball for his hit on Tex Walker for the rest of the season
 

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The way I see it, Goodes heard something, saw this kid that at the time looked older than she really was, and singled her out. Perhaps handled a bit poorly, but that clouds the real issue - which is a player being racially abused at a game.
See this is the problem you might not be seeing. People arent booing over his stance on racism, they are booing because they percieve that he handled it poorly. Yes, it does cloud the issue - we can see that clearly in this thread and in previous incarnations.

The objection for many isnt race, its the way it was handled. Likewise the objection in the carlton game wasnt to the dance - no one has ever objected to goal celebrations or pre game events like the haka - it was the way it was aimed at the crowd - see also jetta.
 

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At every game? Nope. To the extent Goodes is? Nope.
That's not what you said though is it. You just said he wasn't booed. Looking passed that though, yes, for a while there it was every game. Definitely though the booing of Goodes has reached a crescendo that it hasn't against others. Why has it built up the way it has? I don't think racism is the answer just quietly.
 

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No one answered my last serious question, i guess they cant. So i will try a different one..

In the future are we supposed to just not boo any aboriginal players? How are we to know how our booing is going to be interpreted? Doesnt that lead to more division and walking around on egg shells? Wouldnt the fact that i feel comfortable enough to boo adam goodes the way i would boo anyone else mean we are in a better place now than if i were to stop booing him just because he is aboriginal even tho my boos had nothing to do with race in the first place?
I don't know why don't you ask an aboriginal person how they feel?

Personally, I use empathy and context to guide my actions in this case. That leads me to a feeling of Respect for Adam and what he has done.
 
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That's not what you said though is it. You just said he wasn't booed. Looking passed that though, yes, for a while there it was every game. Definitely though the booing of Goodes has reached a crescendo that it hasn't against others. Why has it built up the way it has? I don't think racism is the answer just quietly.
He was booed the same way other great players are. Occasionally, by scattered groups of flogs. My point was guys like Judd, and Hall, and Lloyd, and Williams, were never booed the way Goodes is. It's completely different.
 

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If he didn't think he had an audience for the "joke" he wouldn't have said it. That means it goes well past being just him.
Thats a big assumption. If I had a dollar for every time someone said something on radio that was poorly recieved and that later had to be withdrawn or apologised for later, Id be a rich man.
 

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Come on mate, surely you cannot be that delusional? Goodes has been called dirty for about six years now since it crept into his game. The boos were barely audible. Compare that to this year. Heck, even compare last years booing to this year. Watch a game from last year and then watch last weeks game and it has grown by about 80%. Those people are racists and there is no two ways about it.
I think you are misreading the situation then. I see the increase in boos as being from people like myself being told they cant boo him and if they do that they are racist.
 

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A true racist would boo every single aboriginal player not just Goodes... Narrow minded media outlets and like minded people conforming to political correctness.
I've never actually come across someone who has admitted to being a racist.

Either they are too ashamed/cowardly to admit it, or too ignorant/stupid to admit it.

So I wouldn't know what a "true racist" would do. How do you know?

Maybe they are clever little buggers who deliberately don't target all aboriginal players so they can't be identified as true racists?
 

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He was booed the same way other great players are. Occasionally, by scattered groups of flogs. My point was guys like Judd, and Hall, and Lloyd, and Williams, were never booed the way Goodes is. It's completely different.
I like how you continue to talk as if you've been to every game played across the country for the last 20 years and meticulously taken notes.
 
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I think you are misreading the situation then. I see the increase in boos as being from people like myself being told they cant boo him and if they do that they are racist.
"There are people who boo him that are racist"
"WHAT? I'm racist if I boo him!? I'll show them! BOOOOOOOO!"
 

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As I say can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

You may as well stop whining for being called out as a racist then. Free speech and all that.
When my booing is not based on racist grounds I have a right to complain. I booed Goodes before it was the "in thing" to do (7-8 years now). I have not and will not change my opinion because of the way he plays the game, unfair and unjust.

I take no issue about the cause he is trying to bring awareness of. By all means do press conference after press conference, but when you are playing a game of football on match day leave the politics out of it.
 
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Because of the very public way in which they do it. People get evicted from sporting events all the time for being drunk, abusive or whatever. Number of times I've seen a player evict a fan: one. Again, there are better ways to do things.
how is there are better way to do things at that point? try and seek her out after the game or qtr time? yeah right? Unless you have been through what Adam and his family have been through i don't believe anyone has a right to question how he should react in such a situation.
 

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When Goodes squealed about that young Collingwood fan he lost me. There was better ways to deal with that but he knows damn well being Aboriginal no one would question him because the issue is such a political hot potato.
Do not agree with this at all.

I was at the game when that incident happened.
He clearly heard the 'ape' comment from over the fence.
He is a leader of the aboriginal community. It was the opening game of the 'Indigenous Round'. What was he supposed to do -ignore it?? He'd be a poor leader if he did that -just accepting and soaking up another racist comment. If they all did that, the comments would just keep coming. Goodes took a stand in a week when we were supposedly celebrating aboriginal footballers, not racially abusing them.
He pointed out the person that said the comment. The fact that it was a young girl wasn't Goodes fault. She made the comment.
The girl apologised. Goodes accepted the apology. It was a big story at the time and the media played it up with newspaper and TV interviews.
It was a racist comment -she didn't call Mike Pyke an ape, even though he's bigger than Goodes. The girl learned a hard lesson, but I'll bet she never makes another racist comment at the footy -plus many others (although not all) would have stopped their racist comments -all due to Goodes bringing the issue to a head.

Why have an 'Indigenous Round' if we can't accept an indigenous leader speaking out. We don't have to agree with him, but he has the right to speak out.
 

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Lyndsay Thomas broke Gary Rohan's leg and has a history of playing for frees. But when Norths played the Swans, it was Adam Goodes that was booed.

There are many 'reasons' for the booing, but the feeling driving it is racism.
Interesting thing to say, seeming lyndsay Thomas is also aboriginal, so it makes your accusation wrong.
 

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He was called a Gorilla on radio by the biggest power broker in the game. He is constantly the subject of racist taunts. His Wikipedia page is vandalized by monkeys. He is booed in every game he plays and slandered in the media and online.

And your suggestion is he should start praising people for how far they have come?
Well if goodes is hoping to live in a world filled with lolly pops and rainbows he is wasting his time. Everyone cops something in life by wankers. Most choose to accept the positive praise of 98 percent of people and ignore the 2%. Goodes does the opposite then includes the 98% with the other fools
 
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I like how you continue to talk as if you've been to every game played across the country for the last 20 years and meticulously taken notes.
Well I've been to 200+ of Lloyd's games. Probably ~50 of Judd's. Watched countless more of Judd's on TV, same with Hall and Williams. So yes, I think I'm fairly qualified to give this opinion. Notice how nobody's arguing that any of them WERE booed like Goodes is? Perhaps, just perhaps, because I'm right?
 

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That's not what you said though is it. You just said he wasn't booed. Looking passed that though, yes, for a while there it was every game. Definitely though the booing of Goodes has reached a crescendo that it hasn't against others. Why has it built up the way it has? I don't think racism is the answer just quietly.
Like most things there are always a combination of factors. But racism is definitely a component for some of the boo-ers.

I don't think Hayden Ballantyne has ever been booed this loudly or for such an extended period before. It was like Goodes announced he was joining ISIS on the Domain Stadium big screen.
 
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