Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

  • Total voters
    1,888
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Honest question, those who are so strongly against booing adam goodes, would you ever boo anyone now? Say ballantyne or hodge in a grand final? If you would arent you being hypocritical? If that isnt hypocritical why not? I can tell you my motivation for booing goodes has nothing to do with race , so why shouldnt i boo him if you are going to boo someone else??
It doesn't matter if the booing isn't intended to racial. Adams Goodes and Lewis Jetta are taking it as racial, so for that reason alone it has to stop and can't be compared to booing other players.
 

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Son, we booed at goodes because he was a flog and not because he is aboriginal, pretty simple really.
Sorry Dad, that just doesn't add up.

You might well be booing for that reason, but you're joining in with others who are racially motivated. You know many people feel it's racially motivated, so if you continue to do it, you're saying that you're OK with racism.

Maybe give it a rest for a while.
 

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That's the point... the "issue" is this ever morphing/moving goalpost towards.... what?
I don't think the goal posts have moved at all - acknowledgement that aboriginal people are the traditional land owners and should be acknowledged as such in the constitution, that injustices have occurred and continue occurring and that this needs to be acknowledged and with that, accepting that due to these injustices that it's going to take time for aboriginal people to heal and trust again. Just a small example - are you aware that there was a 6pm curfew in Perth for aboriginal people and if they were caught they were risked being locked up - this was in the 1970's. We learnt all about apartheid in South Africa but very few people know it was based on the White Australian policy.

This is not the thread for it but maybe if people were more aware of little bits of info like this and believe me there are many of them, then maybe they would have a better understanding of Adam Goodes acceptance speech at the AOTY ceremony and not see it as an attack but just part of his story
 
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I went to the 2014 GF and yes I booed him everytime he touched the ball and I don't normally boo any AFL players . I feel privileged to live in an age where we are witness to the skills and the athletisism of AFL players of today so I normally sit quietly and take it all in ,didn't even boo Buddy even though he left the hawks ,but I am one non -indigenous Australian who is proud of my country and i'm sick of the likes of Adam Goodes telling me I don't have a right to be and should be ashamed of my past as he did in his AOTY speech . My dad fought the Japanese in New Guinea in WW2 his dad in France in WW1 why should I be ashamed of where I came from .If the AFL want the booing to stop then get him to apologise for humiliating a naïve 13yr old girl on national TV and in front of 40000 people and for his insulting AOTY speech and his off field comments in general . Non indigenous Australians have a right to make a stand too because the majority of us have done nothing wrong and at the end of the day we pay the bills .
I think you meant to post that here http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/
 

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It is still booing. Those who went past it and yelled racial abuses were rightfully thrown out.
No, it's now vitriol, hatred, nastiness and pure spite.

And that's what people here are both defending and also defending the right to do personally.

What makes it worse is now those people know it actually affecting the player concerned, they have dug their heels in even more.

So they really want to rub his nose in the dirt and they want to make him suffer and hurt as much as possible.

What nasty, compassionless people. Anyone with a shred of decency would back off.

It's all becoming very sad.
 

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This is now well past the effect on Adam Goodes. He is now taking leave because it has gotten to him (though a few idiots on BF have claimed this as a stunt). It has upset his mother. His family. Jetta, for example, sick of a fellow teammate and aboriginal man being treated like AG has been. Jetta's family, no doubt, affected as the searchlight has moved to him. Look at the responses on Twitter etc from Aboriginal players in all AFL teams. They find it affecting. Look at the commercial released by the Bulldogs (which is excellent, btw) and ask what environment that team would like to play in. Look at Jordan Lewis and Brendon's Goddard. They want this stopped. Look at the discussions from the players association. Unanimous in wanting this to stop. AFL players don't want this.

So if you are considering the 'I won't be told what to do by Goodes, or Gil, or whatever, I'll boo Goodes if I feel like it, think of how it could affect lots of people. Think what this could mean to a sports gifted little kid in NT and his life decisions, to see an aboriginal sporting great treated in this manner.

I don't see why it is so hard to say - know what? I'm not going to join in this crazy booing every time Goodes is within a foot of the ball. It doesn't matter any more why you were doing it. It truly doesn't matter if you were doing it because you don't like him, or because it felt like a fun crowd thing to do, or because you are racist. The important thing to consider now is what impact this has on a large group of people who have good reason to be distressed. It can't be hard to stop surely? It's not a compulsive reflex. You can just choose not to.
 

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Like most things there are always a combination of factors. But racism is definitely a component for some of the boo-ers.
It may be for some. For others it may have nothing to do with it. Certainly painting all booers with a broad stroke of being racist isn't the answer. I don't boo any player. Never have. Just don't get it. But sadly, I now find myself hoping that people keep booing Goodes only for the simple reason that I'd hate to see this propaganda campaign actually have an effect on people. This is the stuff of thought-police and I think it's far scarier than people booing a footy player.
 

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I think you are misreading the situation then. I see the increase in boos as being from people like myself being told they cant boo him and if they do that they are racist.
Yeah this.

Heck even sitting at home I've probably booed Goodes and it's still nothing to do with race. That doesn't even cross my mind, it's because of a few of the reasons already outlined in the poll.

To flat-out say ANYONE who boos Goodes is a racist is just wrong. No doubt some actual class-less racist folk out there join in, but those of us who aren't don't exactly feel like being labeled racist and censored just because we don't like his diving/sliding antics, ego or whatever.
 

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Not desperate, just tired of your pontifficating.
So discuss the issue. Stop exaggerating. Stop shifting the goal posts. Stop launching personal attacks. I put forward an opinion that none of those players were booed like Goodes. Rather than say "Actually I think they were because..." you bitched and moaned. If you think I'm wrong, say so and why.
 

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Note to Aboriginal players: check people's ID in triplicate before pointing them out for comparing you to a monkey.

And people accuse Goodes of being overly sensitive. Wow.
Yes, in the heat of the moment on the field, the players must go through a "process", like the public service.

:rolleyes:
 
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It may be for some. For others it may have nothing to do with it. Certainly painting all booers with a broad stroke of being racist isn't the answer. I don't boo any player. Never have. Just don't get it. But sadly, I now find myself hoping that people keep booing Goodes only for the simple reason that I'd hate to see this propaganda campaign actually have an effect on people. This is the stuff of thought-police and I think it's far scarier than people booing a footy player.
Goodes and Jetta (amongst others) perceive the booing as racist. Would you really hate to see that be stopped?
 

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I don't see why it is so hard to say - know what? I'm not going to join in this crazy booing every time Goodes is within a foot of the ball. It doesn't matter any more why you were doing it. It truly doesn't matter if you were doing it because you don't like him, or because it felt like a fun crowd thing to do, or because you are racist. The important thing to consider now is what impact this has on a large group of people who have good reason to be distressed. It can't be hard to stop surely? It's not a compulsive reflex. You can just choose not to.
Great post! I think everyone could read this bold section a few times and we could stop having circular arguments about the reason for the booing and instead move to how to progress away from it.
 
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You may as well stop whining for being called out as a racist then. Free speech and all that.
You don't think assuming and then calling someone racist is slanderous?

Imagine someone come up to you and accuse you of pedophilia when you speak to a kid. Jump straight from "bit creepy", which is sadly the modern day assumption, all the way to "hey..get away from that child you pervert, what you are a effing pedo?".

They have "free speech" to call you out for being a pedo for going near a kid if they're inclined to use baseless assumptions to judge you.
 

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So he has he retired yet?

Con: Disappointing to see a champion player leave the game in that fashion
Pro: Goes from over the hill has been who played on 1 year too many to proud black man run out of game by pack of racists - good for book sales?

Con: No proper farewell on the field
Pro: Everyone avoids nauseating Lenny Hayes style 'farewell tour'. Less guards of honour probably means less chance of being booed off the ground too.
 

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No it's not at all.

But respect is intangible, and if the goal is to get 100% respect/understanding from 100% of people, it will never happen.

I just want to know what will satisfy or placate the aboriginal people as a whole, enough so that we can move on.
It doesn't work like that.
In The Middle East they are fighting wars whose roots go back to biblical times.

There will never be an absolute - this issue is complete - moment. We can however improve the situation by showing empathy and respect.

The aboriginal community have giving us respect for centuries, it's now our turn to give it to them.
 

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No, it's now vitriol, hatred, nastiness and pure spite.

Ant that's what people here are both defending and also defending the right to do.

What makes it worse is now those people know it actually affecting the player concerned, they have dug their heels in even more.

So they really want to rub his nose in the dirt and they want to make him suffer and hurt as much as possible.

What nasty, compassionless people. Anyone with a shred of decency would back off.

It's all becoming very sad.
Thanks for telling us all how we, the hive mind that forms the anti Goodes club - think. My own primary objection to this current edition of the Goodes story is the notion that you, the media, the AFL and christ knows who else can tell us how our own minds work. We boo for our own reasons, and they dont necessarily fit the agenda of others.
 

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Now this i find disappointing as a non anglo saxon australian. To suggest the pride a person feels about his country is less valid because his "white" is insulting to all those who fought to preserve the rights we all have as australians. In case you didn't know many people from different nationalities like my family fought for this country and just as anyone else i would be disgusted at any person who shows disrespect to all the fallen men. I think there is the right time and place for all things to be discussed but the address to the nation after receiving an award was not one of them. I wont be booeing goodes anymore because my right to express myself is not mine anymore or so im told. Just my opinion of course if i'm still allowed to have one.
I never said anything about whiteness or national pride. The poster admitted that he hated Adam Goodes for standing up against racism and telling a few uncomfortable home truths (FACTS) about this country's history and current state.

It's not a contradiction to think this is a great country while admitting that there are troubling moments in our past that continue to reverberate and need addressing. Perhaps you struggle to hold two views at once but I don't.
 
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