Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

  • Total voters
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Thanks for telling us all how we, the hive mind that forms the anti Goodes club - think. My own primary objection to this current edition of the Goodes story is the notion that you, the media, the AFL and christ knows who else can tell us how our own minds work. We boo for our own reasons, and they dont necessarily fit the agenda of others.
That's my pleasure.

The bottom line is that you know something you are doing is causing grief to someone else, so you continue to do it.

I'm not surprised you don't like having it pointed out.
 

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No, it's now vitriol, hatred, nastiness and pure spite.

Ant that's what people here are both defending and also defending the right to do.

What makes it worse is now those people know it actually affecting the player concerned, they have dug their heels in even more.

So they really want to rub his nose in the dirt and they want to make him suffer and hurt as much as possible.

What nasty, compassionless people. Anyone with a shred of decency would back off.

It's all becoming very sad.
I agree that personally that I won't be booing Goodes anymore because he is obviously affected by it beyond the sporting arena. However I think there should be a clearer line as to what's acceptable behaviour and what's not. Either booing is acceptable or it's not. You don't change what's acceptable depending how many other people are booing or how frequently they are booing.
 

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Not to the same extent, or for as long, as this Goodes thing though. Lloyd got booed by Hawks fans after he killed Thurgood. But again, that's different to this.
I think the " war dance" exacerbated the situation
And I think the flip flopping on the " traditional" and " cultural" descriptions of it didn't help either and the fact that it was directed at the crowd when other things - like Cornes flipping the bird - get fined

If Goodes perceives something as racist, why then can not a fan perceive having a spear thrown at them as threatening?
 

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Sorry Dad, that just doesn't add up.

You might well be booing for that reason, but you're joining in with others who are racially motivated. You know many people feel it's racially motivated, so if you continue to do it, you're saying that you're OK with racism.

Maybe give it a rest for a while.
Mate I don't actually boo and agree that people may as well stop as it is clearly a bigger issue than what it was. It would be poor to see him go out like this.

But the media has made a mockery of this in that they have labelled anyone who boos as racist. They don't look at the reasons and go for the easy way out and make it a story to sell papers etc.

Look at the reasons and I believe the major one is his speech as Australian of the year when he basically accused everyone's grand parents/great grand parents of rape/murder of aboriginal people. A lot of people were offended and as he is a public figure speaking to a nation he is going to get backlash for offending people. And in a lot of people's eyes (not mine, I don't boo) the easiest way to show their displeasure is to boo him.

It is the same as tony abbott getting booed by people who don't agree with things he has done.

I and a lot of people I know find him to be a flog for this reason and other grand standing. He comes across as someone who makes it more about him than genuinely the cause he is fighting for.
 

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To people who think booing him is OK ... ignore the race issue. How do you feel about making someone feel like shit? Do you think it's acceptable to do this? Bullying is terrible and serious. Doesn't matter if you think someone should be able to handle it. If they are upset, then that's all that is relevant. You would think grown adults with any decency would cease their actions when they realise that it is genuinely causing someone distress.
 

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Goodes and Jetta (amongst others) perceive the booing as racist. Would you really hate to see that be stopped?
As I said, I've never been one to boo any player, so I'm hardly an advocate for Goodes being booed by anyone. However the booing for me now is just a byline; it could be wearing scarves with beanies for all I care at this point. I'd just hate to see this scare campaign that's being waged actually succeed. Some of the comments driving the campaign are nothing more than manipulative propaganda.

As for how Goodes and Jetta perceive being booed, I say the idea that you have the right to bend others to the will of your own perceptions is not something I support.
 

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There needs to be a ground swell of media/ public opinion that promotes cheering by both Sydney and opposition fans every time Goodes has a touch. That way the booing will be drowned out and the positive energy will put this matter to bed.
#cheergoodes!
 

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I agree that personally that I won't be booing Goodes anymore because he is obviously affected by it beyond the sporting arena. However I think there should be a clearer line as to what's acceptable behaviour and what's not. Either booing is acceptable or it's not. You don't change what's acceptable depending how many other people are booing or how frequently they are booing.
He should be fairly sure he wouldn't get booed this week - if he doesn't play then I think thats quite weak
 

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How dare Adam Goodes speak out about Aboriginal issues. He called out a supporter who was abusing him for his race. Eddie McGuire then had a brain explosion a few days later and just made the situation even worst. People forget, the white man invaded their country, killed thousands of Aborigines and then rub s**t in their face by celebrating Australia Day every year. It is a bit like the Germans celebrating the Bombing of London as an annual holiday, and then showing exasperation when the Poms complain.

As a compromise, have we ever suggested a National holiday to celebrate Aboriginal culture? No we still celebrate the Birthday's of the Monarchy. And we call ourselves progressive.

We do not even recognise Aborigines in the Constitution. Not surprising since we are ruled by a Monarchy who lives in the UK. We want our Aborigines to shut up and do as they are told and play football for our entertainment.

To all these so called supporters who have talked themselves into believing that they are not racist, have a long hard look at yourself in the mirror. Adam Goodes has reached the pinnacle of his profession; A dual brownlow medallist and premiership player. He is a proud Aborigine and has done all possible to help his people, and that sometimes involves highlighting the ugly side of Australia.

All Aboriginal players in the AFL/VFL and the Interstate equivalent should simply make themselves unavailable for this week or even consider walking out for the rest of the season, if Goodes is forced out of the game.
Spot on... I think this is much more a bullying problem than a racial one though, but undeniable that racists use it as a cloak...

Can you imagine how fast it would stop if the indigenous players did refuse to play! :rolleyes:
 

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Why do we have a Swans associate Oloughlin posting some want the indigenous to sit in a corner and be humble?

Seriously, everybody needs to be humble.


The elite pushing this agenda are just laughing at the dollars they are making repressing main street including the indigenous through unfair markets while the masses fight between themselves!
 

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Mate I don't actually boo and agree that people may as well stop as it is clearly a bigger issue than what it was. It would be poor to see him go out like this.

But the media has made a mockery of this in that they have labelled anyone who boos as racist. They don't look at the reasons and go for the easy way out and make it a story to sell papers etc.

Look at the reasons and I believe the major one is his speech as Australian of the year when he basically accused everyone's grand parents/great grand parents of rape/murder of aboriginal people. A lot of people were offended and as he is a public figure speaking to a nation he is going to get backlash for offending people. And in a lot of people's eyes (not mine, I don't boo) the easiest way to show their displeasure is to boo him.

It is the same as tony abbott getting booed by people who don't agree with things he has done.

I and a lot of people I know find him to be a flog for this reason and other grand standing. He comes across as someone who makes it more about him than genuinely the cause he is fighting for.
That's a fair enough opinion! People who are outspoken will always be divisive.
 

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To people who think booing him is OK ... ignore the race issue. How do you feel about making someone feel like shit? Do you think it's acceptable to do this? Bullying is terrible and serious. Doesn't matter if you think someone should be able to handle it. If they are upset, then that's all that is relevant. You would think grown adults with any decency would cease their actions when they realise that it is genuinely causing someone distress.
So putting any race issue aside it's easy...

He's a professional sportsman. The crowd, good and bad, is part of that.

If he can't handle that, maybe he should either retire or play exclusively in front of his home crowd.
 

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To people who think booing him is OK ... ignore the race issue. How do you feel about making someone feel like shit? Do you think it's acceptable to do this? Bullying is terrible and serious. Doesn't matter if you think someone should be able to handle it. If they are upset, then that's all that is relevant. You would think grown adults with any decency would cease their actions when they realise that it is genuinely causing someone distress.
I would suggest that at a footy game if they believe it will put him off his game they'll go harder.
 

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There needs to be a ground swell of media/ public opinion that promotes cheering by both Sydney and opposition fans every time Goodes has a touch. That way the booing will be drowned out and the positive energy will put this matter to bed.
#cheergoodes!
Will they then complain that he is only getting cheered because they are racist? Then we can outlaw cheering at games, great atmosphere
 

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To people who think booing him is OK ... ignore the race issue. How do you feel about making someone feel like shit? Do you think it's acceptable to do this? Bullying is terrible and serious. Doesn't matter if you think someone should be able to handle it. If they are upset, then that's all that is relevant. You would think grown adults with any decency would cease their actions when they realise that it is genuinely causing someone distress.
As Brendan Goddard said, it is 'extreme bullying'.
 

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It may be for some. For others it may have nothing to do with it. Certainly painting all booers with a broad stroke of being racist isn't the answer. I don't boo any player. Never have. Just don't get it. But sadly, I now find myself hoping that people keep booing Goodes only for the simple reason that I'd hate to see this propaganda campaign actually have an effect on people. This is the stuff of thought-police and I think it's far scarier than people booing a footy player.
Damn it, guys. He's on to us. I'll inform the brownshirts to shut down the re-education camps.
 

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What's your point? Your son had a bad experience with some aboriginals, ergo booing Goodes is okay?
I've had many positive experiences with aboriginal people. Because, you know, they are like other groups of people all over the world - there are good ones and not so good ones.

But hey, who am I to interrupt: you can justify your bias in whatever way you deem fit.
I have posted on BF awhile ago where I was attacked in a Bi-Lo shop while standing in line to buy some stuff by a drunk aboriginal guy who called me a "white c_nt". All brought on by the fact he was so drunk he couldnt get his keycard to work and decided all those people waiting in line after him deserved a piece of his mind. He tried to beat up a elderly couple in front of me first (would have been in their 70s) and then when they fell down screaming I was next in line. Things didnt go so well for him with me and had to be helped outside to some seats out the front.
So your can turn your bullshit up any way you like. There is massive hatred towards white people from within Aboriginal communities. My cousin who is an adopted Aboriginal girl went to build relationships with Aboriginal people after growing up in a white family in Victoria. She was shocked at how she was treated by alot of people. She thought she would find what she thought was missing in her life but the shit she coped because she didnt hate white people disturbed her.
Ask her which community has more hatred towards the other and without hesistation she will tell you. But people like you just have these so called principles and beliefs that cannot be wrong. But yours are.
 

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Look at the reasons and I believe the major one is his speech as Australian of the year when he basically accused everyone's grand parents/great grand parents of rape/murder of aboriginal people. A lot of people were offended and as he is a public figure speaking to a nation he is going to get backlash for offending people. And in a lot of people's eyes (not mine, I don't boo) the easiest way to show their displeasure is to boo him.
Speaks the truth. People get offended.

I wonder which side should be changing their views...
 

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This thread makes my brain hurt.

Goodes wasn't booed on a mass scale after he did something dirty or got suspended. Goodes wasn't booed after a run of dubious free kicks. Goodes wasn't booed after his brownlow win. Can we dispense with the ducking and weaving and at least agree that there are a few clear incidents that kicked the whole thing off?

Goodes was booed after being racially abused by a young girl, and subsequently, after years of work with the indigenous communities around Australia, winning the Australian of the Year award and opening up some very serious, yet uncomfortable conversations about race.

People have this moronic idea that racism is about wearing the Australian flag as a cape and screaming "**** the abos!" It's a lot more subtle than that, it's systemic, it's ingrained in our culture. No one, including Goodes, is saying that any individual or collective needs to feel 'guilt' or 'shame' for past atrocities perpetuated against aboriginal Australians. What Goodes and others are doing is trying to get people to recognise that most people living in this country indirectly benefit from the theft, rape and massacre of an entire group of people. This has lasting impacts and the wounds are still fresh. Aboriginals still weren't counted as people in the census less than 50 years ago. I still find it hard to wrap my head around that. Indigenous heads were sent back on ships to England. Tasmanian aboriginal people were wiped off the face of the planet.

None of this implies any sort of culpability for any one white Australian, including myself. It's not my fault that I benefit from the past slaughtering of indigenous people and I'm not going to apologise to anyone for it. But I DO. And that's the important thing. That's the conversation Goodes was trying to have. Realising that maybe young Travis being in jail or having too much drink isn't just a result of loose morals or poor character, but at least partly because of systemic injustices past and present that put him in a position that you couldn't possibly pretend to fully empathise with.

Unfortunately a large proportion of the Australian population wasn't mature or intelligent enough to have this conversation. They heard terms like 'genocide', 'theft', 'invasion' and 'race problems' and quickly jumped on the defensive. They couldn't spurt out 'but I don't hate aboriginals' quick enough. And unfortunately, this is how real racism is perpetuated. Not because your old fashioned uncle (believe me, I have several) openly said 'you can't trust them' but through the failure of everyday Australians to recognise and own the role they inadvertently play in systemic injustice. So then Goodes is a 'flog', a 'grandstander', 'divisive' and other such nonsense.

This is the reason Goodes was initially booed. Maybe a tiny percentage of Hawthorn supporters (and now seemingly every other club's supporters) that booed him are openly distrusting and resentful towards aboriginal Australians. But mainly because they couldn't handle or understand a conversation that while uncomfortable for them, is a tragic and real necessity for someone like Goodes. Then tribalism kicked in people started booing him because everyone else was and retrospectively performed mental gymnastics to come up with reasons why they did join in.

Like other people have said, the booing stemmed from racial elements, still has a dark racial undertone and is deeply upsetting for the indigenous AFL community as well as Goodes and his family. Initially I'm willing to give many a free pass for getting caught up in the tribalism. That's a lot of what footy is about. But at this point, if you join in, you're overtly racist, subtly racist, or just not very bright. The latter contingent probably constitutes the majority, but why would you even want to be associated with it at this point?
I'm posting this again because the thread is moving so quickly, there may be some who didn't see it.

Sensational post.
 
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