Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

  • Total voters
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JohnnyFontane90

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To people who think booing him is OK ... ignore the race issue. How do you feel about making someone feel like shit? Do you think it's acceptable to do this? Bullying is terrible and serious. Doesn't matter if you think someone should be able to handle it. If they are upset, then that's all that is relevant. You would think grown adults with any decency would cease their actions when they realise that it is genuinely causing someone distress.
no tall poppy syndrome. famous people have a perceived superior status in society so they're fair game. actors, singers, politicians all get terrible things said about them everyday. they're sort of expected to just brush it off because everybody having an opinion of you is baggage to your million dollar paycheck and enviable lifestyle. if goodes didn't like publicity he shouldn't have jumped into the spotlight.
 

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Watched fat slobbo and fawning whately on AFL 360 and they called everyone booing Goodes a racist . They either simply have no idea or just a pair of tossers who love the sound of their own voice .
I dislike Goodes because of his attitude..it has nothing to do with his skin colour.
It's rather amusing that you can dislike any person you want ...unless they are a minority ..then you are either a bigot or a racist.
 

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No, it's now vitriol, hatred, nastiness and pure spite.

And that's what people here are both defending and also defending the right to do personally.

What makes it worse is now those people know it actually affecting the player concerned, they have dug their heels in even more.

So they really want to rub his nose in the dirt and they want to make him suffer and hurt as much as possible.

What nasty, compassionless people. Anyone with a shred of decency would back off.

It's all becoming very sad.

Actual Goodes, Jetta, Oloughlin and Rebecca Wilson and the Swans boss is very swans related is it not?
 

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There's a difference between racism and bigotry.

Racism is the intolerance of an entire race.
Bigotry is the intolerance of those with a different opinion.

I believe most people booing Goodes are not racists but bigots. They do not have anything against aboriginal people in general, but they do have something against the opinions of Goodes and the way he expresses his opinions. There is a big difference.

You can argue all you like about whether bigotry is right. Similar intolerances were shown towards Julia Gillard for her feminism, Martin Luther King for his civil rights movement and Pauline Hanson for her nativism. However it is distinctly different from racism.



Furthermore, he incited the crowd through the war dance this year.

Some may liken it to the All Blacks' Haka, but the Haka is used before the match to intimidate their opponents. It is aimed at the opponent! Which makes perfect sense in a sporting match and is acceptable to both the crowd and sporting body. Some teams have taken exception to it and reacted but it is now accepted and seen as traditional.

Adam's war dance however was targeted at the crowd, not the opposition. Trying to intimidate a crowd is not a great idea, remember when Ben Cousins gave the bird to the TV camera? War dances incite a response, often fear, and the crowd's response to this is the only form they have, booing. Add to that the aptly named 'crowd mentality' which ensures that successive crowds sympathize with each other, and he has effectively incited the whole footballing public.

He performed a war dance and then wonders why it started a war. :rolleyes:
 

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That's my pleasure.

The bottom line is that you know something you are doing is causing grief to someone else, so you continue to do it.

I'm not surprised you don't like having it pointed out.
The bottom line is this. Every action has a consequence, and they arent always pleasant ones. Sometimes your actions draw negative attention. If you act in a way that displeases your target audience you're going to get negative attention. Its the way things always have been.
 

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Contemplating immediate retirement apparently.
Jeeze I hope he doesn't retire because of this. It would be such an awful way to leave the game.

I think it would be great that in his next game, that any person that is against the booing of Adam Goodes cheers for him as loud as they can as anytime he touches the ball (regardless of who they support), just to show that the majority of people are against what is happening.
 

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Goodes says the booing gets under his skin... Any player says that the opposition supporter will boo him to get under his skin and therefore help their team.
 

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As I said, I've never been one to boo any player, so I'm hardly an advocate for Goodes being booed by anyone. However the booing for me now is just a byline; it could be wearing scarves with beanies for all I care at this point. I'd just hate to see this scare campaign that's being waged actually succeed. Some of the comments driving the campaign are nothing more than manipulative propaganda.

As for how Goodes and Jetta perceive being booed, I say the idea that you have the right to bend others to the will of your own perceptions is not something I support.
I don't have the right. But they do. Their right to go about their life without being racially abused supercedes your (not you) right to abuse people at the football.
 
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I think the " war dance" exacerbated the situation
And I think the flip flopping on the " traditional" and " cultural" descriptions of it didn't help either and the fact that it was directed at the crowd when other things - like Cornes flipping the bird - get fined

If Goodes perceives something as racist, why then can not a fan perceive having a spear thrown at them as threatening?
When was a spear thrown at a fan?
 

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Well if he wants to really make a lasting impression regarding his feelings then retirement is exactly what he will do. Imagine the outcry. Australian of the Year forced to retire.
Of course to really show how much European settlement has disadvantaged his ethnic group he would undoubtedly return his 1/2 million a year salary, his lovely house, education and health access and return to his bush home.
He could take that imaginary spear with him and go kill some imaginary opponents.
You want your culture back. Then fine, abandon the benefits you have obtained from European settlement. Or would that be too uncomfortable.
 
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I agree that personally that I won't be booing Goodes anymore because he is obviously affected by it beyond the sporting arena. However I think there should be a clearer line as to what's acceptable behaviour and what's not. Either booing is acceptable or it's not. You don't change what's acceptable depending how many other people are booing or how frequently they are booing.
I don't know what the ongoing answer is. I don't pretend to be that clever.

I know that in this particular situation though, now that people know it is started to affect the player it should stop. For the sake of the player.

Men's mental health is becoming a bigger and bigger social issue. Yet here we have people advocating behaviour that they know is directly affecting the mental health of a player. All because they want to defend their right to be mindless simpletons when attending the football.

"Toughen up" has got to be one of the most moronic things I hear being directed at a bloke who isn't coping.
 

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Not sure how anyone could deny that there's a campaign being run to control the actions of others here, but okay.
There's no control. There's no policing. There's no arrests. There's no brain jail being built for your thought crimes. Just people calling a spade a spade using nothing but free speech which is their right. Boo if you want but you don't get to also demand that I don't think you're an asshole for doing it.
 
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If he retires because of this, he will have been hounded out of the game by hate filled bogans.
Had my son ask me a very interesting question about this sort of statement this morning.

"Dad, if I boo Adam Goodes, am I a Bogan or Redneck? Why are people allowed to make labels on me because of my skin color but I'm not allowed to boo someone I don't like because of theirs?".

Glad Mum fielded an answer for me, but raises a good point. Why is it okay to label and name call from people on the Goodes side of the argument? Why do these people make judgement calls and sweeping statements and that's okay? Like Goodes calling the school girl "uneducated". What gives him the right to make assumptions about her lifestyle, upbringing or background? What if she doesn't go to school because of a learning disability? What if her parents were deceased? He's made a statement without knowing the facts and the potential hurt it could cause, exactly like she did. Difference being, he's an adult and role model. Maybe to a 13 year old girl, a big hairy man does actually look like an Ape? Maybe she genuinely didn't understand the racial undertones of calling a black person an Ape and therefore it's Goodes and the media that missed an opportunity to make this a Winmar moment in public education. As an earlier poster said, call the girl (privately), go meet with her and make sure she's okay, her family is okay and see if you can't get her involved as a public face of a No campaign....as long as she's willing. But no, like the spear incident, Goodes' story on the night quickly changed and became about poor Adam, instead of an opportunity for change and education. Much like his Australia of the Year award speech, which instead of being about inclusion and togetherness, became a political statement and divisive. It just seems both sides of this debate are playing by different rules because of skin color and the irony is it's the name callers that are actually displaying the behavior they are so desperately trying to condemn.

Food for thought.
 
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