Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

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No it doesn't. People aren't going "I hate Goodes because he's an aboriginal". They're booing because he's standing up for his people in a big, visible way.

It's not as simple as "because he's aboriginal".
Nope, if you listen to the AFL and their talking heads its all due to race. Nothing else. Nadda.
 
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It may be for some. For others it may have nothing to do with it. Certainly painting all booers with a broad stroke of being racist isn't the answer. I don't boo any player. Never have. Just don't get it. But sadly, I now find myself hoping that people keep booing Goodes only for the simple reason that I'd hate to see this propaganda campaign actually have an effect on people. This is the stuff of thought-police and I think it's far scarier than people booing a footy player.
May... I go far as to say for the majority his skin colour absolutely has nothing to do with it. Couldn't agree more on your post. Thought policing :thumbsdown:

I can understand people wanting it to stop. But if this ultra PC pleading and attempted labeling campaign to stop booing of one player alone, if that sees segments of crowds being considered racist by the broader public and in the footy community, that is just a really sad state of affairs and with crowd figures already waning you may drive even more people away who fund the industry.

I find it really disingenuous how people are using other indigenous players as a shield too. Saying if you boo Adam Goodes you are booing players on your own team. That's some manipulating nonsense and arguably racist in itself to lump them all together. Indigenous people aren't a hive mind even if some do vocally support Adam Goodes not being bood.

If Michael Walters were to get on TV and says its racial whats happening and it must stop, even if he says he takes personal offence, I'll consider him to be as wrong about the situation, and as irrational about it as anyone else asserting such a fallacy.
 

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I made the point earlier.

Even the most intelligent supporter can turn his/her brain off at the turnstiles, reverting to tribalism when he/she enters the ground.

Booing is herd behaviour. It's fuelled by negativity, which in this case has turned plain nasty. It's simplistic, unintelligent and has little basis in consistency or considered reasoning. "He's a flog, I don't like him". (Forget you have flogs in your own team you don't boo). "He's dirty" (never mind all the other dirty players running around). "He says/does things I don't like". Or the doozy - "I've been told I can't boo him, so I'm gonna boo him". And so on.

The booing in the Goodes case is coming from the most unsophisticated, uneducated and unpleasant part of the supporters in question.

I think my statement is pretty spot on.
Absolutely. You can see the same behaviour on message boards when some people don't like something and decide everyone doing it must be racist.
 

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The idea that it can't possibly be racist because not every indigenous player is booed is just ridiculous.

If I racially abuse one black man, but not all the other black men, it's OK? It can't be racist because I didn't abuse all of them, right?
So if Goodes is treated differently to every other aboriginal player, maybe its something to do with him and not his race? Maybe he might have done something to receive treatment different to every other black player? Hmmm..
 

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So no matter what they do on the field, they cannot be booed in case they perceive it as racist?.
In this particular instance we know that Lewis Jetta and Adam Goodes are perceiving it as racism. So for that reason alone it should stop.

If a player is feeling racially vilified regardless of the intent, it is not ok.
 

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Are you trying to relate this to the girl or Goodes?
If people are booing Goodes because, at best, they think he's a bit of a knob, when the guy is clearly suffering as a result of it, to the point he may walk away from his livelihood, and the response from people appears to be "I will boo who I like, don't infringe on my free speech!" then I'm a bit perplexed as to what the endgame they're wanting is.

Maybe Adam Goodes is indeed a knob, but if the above applies to anyone reading this I'd suggest you look in the mirror when trying to figure out which poor bastard you want to boo next.
 

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Yes because support for what? Support for being not white? Why do Aussies need support for that, there is a lot of us who are not white. I say we are all the same, we are Aussies, we should be treated the same, we are all 1 people doesn't matter where the hell you where originally from be it this land or other lands whether you parents or you were born in Iran, Israel, Istanbul or Ingham. Let's all be brothers of Australia. People like you and Goodes want A&TSI to be treated differently, I say we should all be treated the same.

We can't be treated the same because as much as you want it to be we aren't all the same but we should all be entitled to equal basic human rights regardless of gender, religion, culture or ethnicity
 

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What if people just don't like adam goodes ?
As I have pointed out, as it is now having an effect on the player, people should back off. For the sake of the player. Whether you like him or not.

Anyone with most basic knowledge of mental health know's that "harden up" or "toughen up" are ignorant and useless responses.
 

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So if Goodes is treated differently to every other aboriginal player, maybe its something to do with him and not his race? Maybe he might have done something to receive treatment different to every other black player? Hmmm..
Maybe it's something to do with him being the most outspoken and public face of many indigenous issues? It doesn't actually matter either way.

The reason for the booing is no longer important. The reason for stopping the booing is significant.
 

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I made the point earlier.

Even the most intelligent supporter can turn his/her brain off at the turnstiles, reverting to tribalism when he/she enters the ground.

Booing is herd behaviour. It's fuelled by negativity, which in this case has turned plain nasty. It's simplistic, unintelligent and has little basis in consistency or considered reasoning. "He's a flog, I don't like him". (Forget you have flogs in your own team you don't boo). "He's dirty" (never mind all the other dirty players running around). "He says/does things I don't like". Or the doozy - "I've been told I can't boo him, so I'm gonna boo him". And so on.

The booing in the Goodes case is coming from the most unsophisticated, uneducated and unpleasant part of the supporters in question.

I think my statement is pretty spot on.
Booing is an expression of disapproval. Universally so, whether you are Mr.Burns or Adam Goodes. Public figures who offend the public tend to get public expressions of such disapproval. End of story.

And just way to generalise and stereotype people you dont know and have never met.
 

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And was abused by opposition supporters and called a ****** for doing said goal celebration.
Not to Goodes levels, but rinse repeat argument about media influence and effect on player.
Hes not special there. How many players have been called a f*wit by the crowd for acting the fool on a football field? So Mark Williams was treated the same as everyone else, yet Goodes is treated differently. Differently to every other black player in the AFL. At what point will you start to see that its not about colour? I know that goes against you desire to claim everyones a racist, but facts are facts.
 

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As I have pointed out, as it is now having an effect on the player, people should back off. For the sake of the player. Whether you like him or not.

Anyone with most basic knowledge of mental health know's that "harden up" or "toughen up" are ignorant and useless responses.
He's a public figure. It comes with the territory of being an outspoken public figure. The onus is on him to cope with the territory or quit for his own mental health if thats the issue.
 

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The propaganda campaign is in full swing. Now if you boo, you're a racist. If that's not manipulation and control, then blow me down.

I don't have the right. But they do.
Why them but not you? Nah I don't agree one little bit. No one has the right to demand that all must bend to their perceptions.
 

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I for saying this because I normally hate what she has to say but Rita Panahi's article in the herald sun today is brilliant. Really takes aim at the media in this situation and looks for the real reasons rather than labelling everyone a racist.

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As I have pointed out, as it is now having an effect on the player, people should back off. For the sake of the player. Whether you like him or not.

Anyone with most basic knowledge of mental health know's that "harden up" or "toughen up" are ignorant and useless responses.
Yes most with empathy would..but you can't make everyone the same as you. Greg Williams played most of his career getting booed..it's a part of the Game.
 
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