Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

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Maybe it's something to do with him being the most outspoken and public face of many indigenous issues? It doesn't actually matter either way.

The reason for the booing is no longer important. The reason for stopping the booing is significant.
Sorry, but you miss the point entirely.

It is not Goodes nor any other players place, to dictate to a crowd how to support or voice disapproval.
 

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Maybe it's something to do with him being the most outspoken and public face of many indigenous issues? It doesn't actually matter either way.

The reason for the booing is no longer important. The reason for stopping the booing is significant.
And maybe its not. If it doesnt matter either way you best be writting your President and ask him to stop being a wanka and withdraw his stupid statement. He should be asking people nicely to stop booing, not inflamming the situation by calling everyone a racist.
 

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Pssst it's not hatred ..its booing at a footy game ..happens on a weekly basis ...most players just get on with it. your blind defending of a swans player is rather pathetic.
not every time a person goes near the ball, that's childish schoolyard behaviour which probably wouldn't even be tolerated in a schoolyard...
 

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And maybe its not. If it doesnt matter either way you best be writting your President and ask him to stop being a wanka and withdraw his stupid statement. He should be asking people nicely to stop booing, not inflamming the situation by calling everyone a racist.
Alternatively, human decency kicks in and we make our own decisions to stop booing for now?
 

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Booing is an expression of disapproval. Universally so, whether you are Mr.Burns or Adam Goodes. Public figures who offend the public tend to get public expressions of such disapproval. End of story.

And just way to generalise and stereotype people you dont know and have never met.
In this case, which you fully support, it is now a process to cause more grief to an AFL player.

As for the bolded, you think I've never been to the football? I've met plenty of them.

Oh, and if "meeting someone" is so important in this dicussion, I look forward to you now calling out all having a field day slighting Goodes who have never met him. That should keep you busy.
 
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I recall that was how some reported it, but I watched the footage and never saw a throwing motion. He had an arm up, but didn't thrust it forward. If people are being threatened by an imaginary spear being held aloft, I'd wonder how they'd ever leave their homes.
Same argument applies. If grown men feel threatened by a child calling them a name, I'd wonder how they'd ever leave their homes.
 

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I am interested in what Buddy thinks.

He has referred to some being campaigners in the past I think.

Well there have been a lot with Swans connections that have down a lot of campaigning lately!!!
 

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They would simply need to apologise about threatening the crowd I would have thought.

You can't have your cake and eat it to.

there should be give and take for harmony
So the booing isn't racist but you prefer to make the blanketing assumption that the booing is because of the dance?

Wow...
 

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If Adam Goodes ends up in politics, it will probably be because you and your ilk helped put him there.
Ends up? He's been in politics for years, he just hasn't been elected yet. But if a bit of a song and dance and an orchestrated media shit storm earns your vote, more power to you. I'm sure having an Indigenous PM is a heart-warmingly progressive thing to do.
 

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*What bullshit that it's not race related!
*And guess what, you precious little gooses
*There are so many sad shits in Australia
*But the bogan-Bolt-readers
*The apologists for the booing are complete campaigners.
Firstly mate, this sort of language is both counter productive and and shows complete disregard to others point of view. You may have your stance/opinion and that is fine, but to start debating like a 13yr is not a good look. You certainly have worth while points to discuss but to sprinkler that crap through it is pointless to me

What bullshit that it's not race related!

Many players stage for frees, yet none are booed every time they play.
Many players have entered a pack on the odd occasion with knees, yet none are booed every time they play.
Many players stage for free kicks, yet none are booed every time they play.
Totally agree this is not the sole reason behind it all. Mere that Goodes prior to this blow up was booed at about the level of AKA and the likes who were disliked by many. I think people are kidding themself if they think this is all just about on field footy stuff. A factor, yeah probably but not the core of the issue

The excuses don't stand up. And they certainly don't stand up now that the issue has intensified, and has become explicitly about race.

Goodes is booed because he is is 'too political', 'too proud', 'too vocal' about his indigenous heritage.
Goodes is booed because he had the gall to state a fact: that Australia's colonial past was inherently racist.
Goodes is booed because he had the gall to call a teenager out for calling him an ape: a term long associated with racism.
This is the issue and people who have taken a dislike to Adam Goodes feel that he has campaigned against racism the wrong way be inadvertently implying sections of the crowd were racists with his "War Dance". Lets get one thing straight, that War dance has nothing to do with Aboriginal heritage, and it was aimed at White people. The Racism was a sensitive issue leading into indigenous led largely by Goodes. So did he not think before or after that doing a aggressive "War Dance" towards innocent people in the crowd would be seen as anything else other then his response to racism? Well the AFL certainly did and had security questioning supporters on live TV with surely millions around Australia wondering what the next allegation towards Goodes was. But it was nothing and Goodes just replied with it was a War Dance.

The 13yr old girl issue was not a good look for many and surely most people can understand why. I dont think the term Ape is as commonly known as a racist term as people think. Obviously to Goodes it is, but a 13yr girl who could have possibly got it from watching the footy show relentlessly target Dunstall with Ape look alike jokes who like Goodes has that scruffy look about him with the bear etc.. Eitherway, Goodes belittled that little girl on national TV and it is not seen well by many, and perhaps more on hindsight when the full story came out.

There are so many sad shits in Australia who can't handle an overtly proud and critical aboriginal man.
I think their have been many proud indigenous people would speak out on issues, and have been well received by majority of the community

And guess what else: every time you boo him you perpetuate that racism.
This is a big statement, and be argued for a while. I would however say "everytime you boo it could be PERCEIVED as racism. And despite what peoples views are on the issue I think it wouldnt hurt if people just took a chill pill on Adam Goodes and if people feel angered by his actions they have surely made their point whether Goodes or Politically correct Media & AFl realize it or not
 

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If this hasn't already been posted on here yet.. I strongly recommend everyone take a few moments to read..
Published by a Aboriginal Blogger who goes by the name of Dallas Scott.

http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/adam-goodes-ensuring-racism-as-sport.html
Interesting point.

As for Adam, well, in the end, I think he got what he really wanted. Before the game, he spoke of Nicky Winmar and his now historic stand against racism. As a man whose days are numbered at the top of his game, he really wants to be remembered like Nicky was. He wants a legacy. And as he inches closer to retirement from football, a job afterwards would be nice – perhaps the victim theatrics were just his way of auditioning for a job in the Industry. Viewing his performance from that angle, I give him an A++.
 

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It's beyond the point of mattering how the booing started. It'd be fair to say some people hate his antics, some people hate him being outspoken, some people boo for the novelty, etc. The fact is that it is now perceived as being racially motivated in response to Goodes' stance on indigenous issues.

Whether we like it or not, the perception is that it's racist. Read any paper, listen to SEN, turn on the TV - they're all running the same story.

Those who continue to boo are doing so with the knowledge that it is perceived as being racist.
The may be a perception in the media that it is because of racism, but there is going to be a growing portion who are doing it because of his personal antics and the way this whole saga has been managed. (AFL recent history is they screw up the management of every saga badly, Essendon, tanking, Sydney trading ban, etc).

The fact the media is running the story is no real shock to me, the media tow the AFL line badly, look back and see how the media handled the claims made by players in the past about wide spread recreational drug use and PED use by players, those who made the claims at the time were shouted down by the AFL and media that it was isolated, Akermanis was called a liar even with his comments about PEDs, yet history has shown us there is plenty of substance behind the claims. The AFL hates bad press more than anything else, they will try and twist anything into some sort of positive at all cost and comment on everything, when often the best thing to do is do nothing.

Whilst there are some who didn't like the war dance in the indigenous round, it had its place in that round and everyone should of moved on.
Move on to the Hawthorn match, firstly we have to accept there is bad blood between both clubs, not firstly over rivalry but over Buddy. Some might not want to boo a two time premiership player, so they look to another target, Goodes. He takes it personally and claims are made about racism, from there it has just got out of control. If nothing was said after the Hawthorn match it would of died down and everyone moved on and the war dance would be just a highlight clip, bit like Greg Inglis goanna crawl.
 
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If people are booing Goodes because, at best, they think he's a bit of a knob, when the guy is clearly suffering as a result of it, to the point he may walk away from his livelihood, and the response from people appears to be "I will boo who I like, don't infringe on my free speech!" then I'm a bit perplexed as to what the endgame they're wanting is.
The endgame is no one man is deserving of special treatment? Adam Goodes is a person, not a race of people. Him feeling abused is no cause for booing (which is a commonly accepted act in football) him to be ostracised as a thing. And at the moment that is what the media is driving. They are saying all booing parties henceforth will be considered racist. It's absurdity. And people are standing up to absurdity. That's how I see it.
 

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Sorry, but you miss the point entirely.

It is not Goodes nor any other players place, to dictate to a crowd how to support or voice disapproval.
Sorry, but you miss the point entirely.

The booing is perceived as being racially motivated. It doesn't matter if that's not why an individual does it; that's how it's perceived.

It's not about telling you how to think or how you can voice your disapproval. It's about human decency and stopping an activity that is regarded as racist.
 

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In this case, which you fully support, it is now a process to cause more grief to an AFL player.
I support the right of people to boo at matches without being called racist. I support the right of people to have their own thoughts without being told they MUST be racist. Im sorry if that causes more grief to an AFL player, but said player may well have done some illadvised things that were part of it too.

As for the bolded, you think I've never been to the football? I've met plenty of them.
Sure you have.

Oh, and if "meeting someone" is so important in this dicussion, I look forward to you now calling out all having a field day slighting Goodes who have never met him. That should keep you busy.
Never said it was important. I just find it fascinating that folks like you can denigrate people on the other side of the argument and think nothing of it.
 

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No one, including Goodes, is saying that any individual or collective needs to feel 'guilt' or 'shame' for past atrocities perpetuated against aboriginal Australians. What Goodes and others are doing is trying to get people to recognise that most people living in this country indirectly benefit from the theft, rape and massacre of an entire group of people.
Welcome to human history. I'd say everyone alive on the planet today indirectly benefits from history's atrocities.

Unfortunately a large proportion of the Australian population wasn't mature or intelligent enough to have this conversation. They heard terms like 'genocide', 'theft', 'invasion' and 'race problems' and quickly jumped on the defensive.
I posted in another thread that I find Goodes approach to be divisive and provocative, so it's no surprise for me to see people provoked and divided.

In that thread, I used the example of Andrew McLeod's call for constitutional amendment compared to Goodes'.

McLeod - "... our country’s constitution hasn’t yet recognised the 40,000-plus years of Australia’s history and the people who forged that impressive part of our shared story"

Goodes - "Aboriginal people have been here a lot longer than anybody else, so just remember whose lands you are on and maybe pay a little bit more respect to that".

Some may not like the man, some may not like the message, some may not like the way the man delivers his message. Personally, I think Goodes lacks diplomatic skills and thus puts people offside. And I think the above is a great example of how his approach fails him.
 

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Nor can you.

Shouldn't the crowd just "toughen up"?

:rolleyes:

True but the AFL HQ and other elites have provided no relief to the crowd in regard to spear acts directed towards them.

If its such a non-issue do the spear act to the opposition players and Swans supporters.

It is as if the spectators are expected to be slaves to AFL HQ, the media and other spokespeople without a point of view of their own!!
 

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I’ve been going back and forth on this issue a fair bit. I know that as a Swans fan I am biased in my judgement, and if I remove that I can see how his reaction to being called an ‘ape’ could be perceived as an over-reaction. I agree that it could have been handled better, and I don’t have an issue with people who think that. In regards to his war dance against Carlton, I can also see how that can be seen as designed to deliberately taunt and tease the crowd to only intensify the booing. Based off that, some people might think that him being a ‘flog’ is justification enough for their booing. I don’t want to get into whether that is right or wrong. I also don’t think that it’s fair to label entire supporter groups as racist because of it.

However all of that being said, I don’t think the booing is really acceptable even if it’s beyond anyone’s control. It would be naïve to think that the booing isn’t race-related given how much it has intensified not only post Collingwood game, but post-AOTY, or post-Carlton war dance. I don’t pretend to know why every single person boos, but I think it’s clear that it has gained traction as a response to the media and because of the sheep mentality. As with a lot of schoolyard bullying, it’s perceived by the perpetrator as harmless and mindless entertainment. It’s funny because everyone else is doing it.

I don’t really think the whole concept of ‘they deserve to be booed because they are a flog’ comes into – that to me just seems like an afterthought as justification for their actions. I don’t think anyone prior to booing would make the conscious thought process of ‘Adam Goodes is a flog so I will just boo him.’ It’s more that you hear the noise and decide to join in, whether because of humour or because everyone else is doing it. I personally believe that is harmful because it is no different to the bullying you see in the playground or on the net – people who aren’t intending to hurt others but moreso doing it to prevent it being done to them or thinking it’s funny and harmless.

I think that the level of criticism he has received is unfair. People wish to label him as a sook but fail to see how manipulated they are by the media. It’s clear as day in the post-game press conferences how many questions are poised to Longmire regarding the boo-ing, whether it is racial vilification, how Adam Goodes feels about it and so on and so forth. What bothers me more than the actual booing itself is the media seeing this as a profitable opportunity and the vast majority lapping it up. Even in light of the other personal scandals that we have seen erupt over the years, I don’t think that any have received the same level of scrutiny and judgement.

The media want to portray him as the saviour for the minority, whilst knowingly pushing him under the bus to be hated. It’s clear as hell that they’ve made a mountain out of a molehill to sell a story, and it’s sad to see someone who is merely just a footballer on the end of it. He could have done things differently, but at the end of the day he didn’t. Maybe he privately regrets publically highlighting the girl at the football game, maybe he doesn’t. I don’t think people can say that they’ve never made a mistake, but they’ve never had to deal with the consequences as publically as Adam has.

As for the people who want to say that life isn’t easy, racism exists, stop being a sook etc. all I can say is I hope you never have a child grow up in an environment where it’s okay to be bullied because of differences you cannot change.

As a Swans fan, it will be a very sad day if he retires. From a pure footballing sense, hate him all you like but he is a legend of the game. Dual premiership player, brownlow medallist, multiple AAs, etc. Off the field, I have met Adam and he is beyond polite and easy-going. He is someone who I personally respect for his ability to bring light to controversial issues, and it is a shame that his exit may potentially be forced because of this. I don’t ever want to see someone forced out of doing something they love because of the actions of others – and I hope that doesn’t happen.
 
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