Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

  • Total voters
    1,888
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have you read any of the posts in this thread apart from your own. His speech has been posted countless times.......have you read it?
It's obvious he hasn't.

I hadn't read it before today... and hearing the furore regarding it I read it earlier expecting something slightly inflammatory.

I was shocked when I read it. There was nothing. He even wishes everyone a happy Aus day (or words that that effect).

If that's what they're hiding behind, well we've certainly got a long way to go as a country.
 

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Who is censoring Goodes? Just a lot of people exercising their freedom of speech. Much like Adam has done.

He should have been advised, that if you step into the political spotlight, which he did with his Australian of the year speach, that most likely 50% of the population will disagree with what you say.
A stadium full of people boo-Ing the AOTY is a very ugly form of censoring. What's more, it not only censors Adam but also the next generation of aboriginal players.

I hate to say this - and yes I accept it is racist - but this is such a typical white thing to do. Why are we such a frightened race??
 

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Yesterday commentators were saying that even though it may not be proven to be racist it is considered extreme bullying and should stop. My point is where wee these commentators defending someone like Milne who spent his whole career under more extreme bullying?

Everyone wonders why soccer is making ground on AFL in this country. Maybe it's because fans aren't allowed to do anything these days at AFL matches......if it was monkey chanting or racial, sexual or religious chanting I could cop it. But it's not, it's booing for **** sake.
So because people didn't stand up for someone in the past, they shouldn't do it at all?
 

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Or you haven't read anything because you swallowed the AFL/Media rhetoric
The posting style of people like you has already been addressed.

Post information as fact and then when asked to back it up you can't.

Why? Because you can't back up lies and/or misinformation.

Which is all good, I just wanted to see if Goodes indeed did what you said he did.

Which it would seem he didn't.

Carry on.
 

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Not everyone agree's with Blainey. But lets discuss this: Firstly, prior to colonization, Aboriginal people would have had tribal conflict, similar to all countries. These were often law related, as Aborigial people had a powerful law structure and territorial boundaries. Second: To say life was hell on earth really makes little sense...How does a population survive for 40,000+ years in hell?? Thirdly: Yes, life expectancy for men was estimated to be 25. But, to put this into context, prior to 1800, the life expectancy of any man living anywhere was below 40. The average was 29. Fourth: Infanticide was practiced at times, but it was not "extremely" common. It was sometimes used as a form of population control during drought or famines. Also for "sickly" infants. What you dont point out is that infanticide was not just an Aboriginal thing. It was reasonably common in all peoples in all countries. "Infanticide has been practiced on every continent and by people on every level of cultural complexity, from hunters and gatherers to high civilization, including our own ancestors. Rather than being an exception, then, it has been the rule" (http://www.infanticide.org/history.htm).
You last comment about admitting their terrible pasts is not entirely relevant to reconcilliation. Do you think Aboriginal history prior to settlement has any relevance to reconcilliation?
I agree that Aboriginal people did kill white people and this is relevant to reconcilliation, but needs to be considered in context: If your people and land was invaded would you have fought back? If you saw white men rape, steal and kill you women would you have fought back?
Do you have a source to suggest it was related to a law structure? Certainly the narrative suggests it was eye-for-an-eye revenge.

Hell on earth is my personal label based on their regular state of fear. I would find that unimaginably awful. I don't necessarily link hell on earth to extinction. They survived because they were widespread and had high birth rates to compensate for short lives.

Agree about infanticide as a common thing but wanted to show how it was still an awful aspect.

25 years is still terribly young compared to all data I've seen historically on the topic (which I admit my knowledge on that isn't comprehensive).

I think my last point is relevant to reconciliation because as a gorgeous white man, I feel my people are made to feel like our ancestors made it worse when in fact there's more to the story that most people don't even know about - the history of Australia's people.
 

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Interesting.
It sounds like 1788 should be called deliverance day, but I'm not sure that any indigenous people from around the world feel they are better off since colonization.
I have met one group of people who kind of do - some Maoris. It's completely unique and interesting
 

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I'd hardly say people think Bolt is racist because he has a differing opinion. They think he's racist because 99% of his comments about indigenous people or those with a brown complexion are negative. And he denies the Stolen Generations happened. And he faced court for writing sarcastic columns full of mistruths claiming that indigenous people were only claiming aboriginal heritage because it got them arts grants...
Go back a post. I said I don't agree with most of what he says. I do however defend his right to say it as long as it is not racist
 

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“There was a lot of anger, a lot of sorrow, for this day and very much the feeling of invasion day,”


FFS WAS. He is saying that he is willing to move past it, only Blind Freddy couldn't see that. It's basic reading comprehension. Sorry to be blunt, but it's been said so many times.

This is further reinforced by the next part of the speech.

"But in the last five years, I’ve really changed my perception of what is Australia Day, of what it is to be Australian and for me, it’s about celebrating the positives, that we are still here as indigenous people, our culture is one of the longest surviving cultures in the world, over 40,000 years.

“That is something we need to celebrate and all Australians need to celebrate.

“There are people out there thinking that today is a great day for Australia — well, it is.

“It’s a day we celebrate over 225 years of European settlement and right now, that’s who we are as a nation but we also need to acknowledge our fantastic Aboriginal history of over 40,000 years and just know that some Aboriginal people out there today are feeling a little bit angry, a little bit soft in the heart today because of that, and that’s OK as well.”


 
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It's obvious he hasn't.

I hadn't read it before today... and hearing the furore regarding it I read it earlier expecting something slightly inflammatory.

I was shocked when I read it. There was nothing. He even wishes everyone a happy Aus day (or words that that effect).

If that's what they're hiding behind, well we've certainly got a long way to go as a country.
So pretty much u can say the people who boo him saying they do it because of his Aoty speech are racist!
 

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A stadium full of people boo-Ing the AOTY is a very ugly form of censoring. What's more, it not only censors Adam but also the next generation of aboriginal players.

I hate to say this - and yes I accept it is racist - but this is such a typical white thing to do. Why are we such a frightened race??
What is a typical white thing to do?
 

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Andrew bolt was one the 7.30 report expressed some good point. Especially why did Goodes do the war dance, which incites violence, when instead he could have done something like the lizard crawl which gerrad inglis does.
Adam needs Andrew Bolts approval for how he celebrates??

Wtf??
 

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“There was a lot of anger, a lot of sorrow, for this day and very much the feeling of invasion day,”
Hey mate, go and ask Josh Hill if he celebrates Australia Day. It's being aware of this countries history, not the garbage you call it. Why the **** would an indigenous person celebrate Australia day. Give me a reason, I beg you.
 

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A speech intended to divide by a person hand picked to win an award that he didn't and still doesn't deserve
And still didn't answer my question, and said it was meant to divide when it clearly says "The ultimate reward is when all Australians see each other as equals and treat each other as equals. To me, everything is about people and the choices we make. I believe it’s the people and the interactions between us that makes this country so special. Thank you so much and have a great Australia Day."

Anyway - I'm done with a troll like you.
 
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