Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

  • Total voters
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It wasn't a goal celebration, using that dance as a goal celebration was inappropriate and Goodes should have know that.
He didn't do it as a goal celebration. He did it as a celebration of his culture.

As per the man:


Speaking at the team's recovery session on Saturday, Goodes said the dance was inspired by the AFL's under-16 indigenous side called the Boomerangs.

"I haven't had the opportunity to do the war cry... and show that passion and pride about being a warrior and representing my people," Goodes said.

"It wasn't something that was pre-meditated. Lewis Jetta and myself had a chat on Thursday that we wanted to represent on Friday night, we wanted to do a dance.

"It's a shame that Lewis couldn't get on the board because he had something planned as well.




"There was nothing untoward to the Carlton supporters.

"[But] for me it had to be towards opposition and say here I am, take me as I am.

"Guys can cheer, boo, whatever. Take it as it is."
 

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Yes, and? Do you hear me making baseless, defamatory claims?

Again, if you claim anyone who boos is a racist, you yourself are an obnoxious bigot. You have absolutely no way of knowing why people are booing.
Except their are many people claiming that it is definitely not racist so how can they claim that then?
 
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He knows and every aboriginal understands that if they put their head up too high they will get abused.

I and hundreds of others on here are just curious about why.

It seems so mean spirited to abuse a man who is trying to help a very downtrodden community.
Why aren't Noel Pearson, Mick Dodson or David Wirrpanda scolded in this way? Because they are well-educated and respected individuals in their fields - law, academia, society etc. Their standing and experience equips them with the necessary hardware to approach the issue like men that live in the real world that, like it or not, is run by the White Man in this country. Adam is like a little boy that is angry at this world and doesn't know how to express himself. Had he directed his War Dance towards his adversaries (the Carlton players) and not the fans, I don't think anyone would have had a problem with it because they coveted the same thing - victory on the battlefield that was the SCG. His post-game justification of being "proud to represent" was just nonsense. That was no celebration; it was provocative and a call to arms. "You want my land? Come and take it". I thought Pemulwuy died 200+ years ago. In all of this, I think Adam's War Dance is emblematic of his mindset; he loathes the White Man.

He is ill-equipped to handle the ramifications of his behaviour because he is an athlete and not a politician. We love you for the way you glide across the 'G effortlessly, but this doesn't give you the right to regularly demonstrate your bitterness towards the White Man. What exactly do you want today's White Man to do, Adam? He is decades removed from the White Men you have a problem with. This is why you should leave the crusading to the likes of Pearson, Dodson and Wirrpanda to a certain extent - be realistic.

There is no doubt we have a dark, shameful history - the murder of 100,000 Aboriginals in the Frontier Wars, the lack of voting rights until the late 1960s and the "Stolen Generation" to name a few - and most White Men of today would readily admit that, perhaps best exemplified by the successful referendum re those voting rights. But, to echo the sentiments of many other posters, we don't go to the football to be lectured by someone that, in all fairness, isn't exactly "across the field" in an academic sense in what he is standing up for.

We should boycott the abomination that is the AFL in the 21st century until they get their act together. Enough is enough. Granted we all love our clubs and the game, but the essence of the game is dead in the cities. Embers of Australian Rules exist at grassroots level but they are slowly fading. This attempt to put the clamps on our freedom of speech is just PC gone mental. Cop the eggs from the Sydney fans and cop the ejection from Big Brother if you feel the need to boo Adam Goodes. People power will speak louder than the spin-doctored words of some ass-kissing AFL captains. Furthermore, the lack of a spectacle augments the undercurrent of fan discontent. The issue of 'fan engagement' is far deeper than the superficiality of "Make Some Noise" signs and cheaper food. Switch off Channel 7, can Fox Footy and stop clicking on Fairfax/News Corp AFL pages. Up yours Oakley, Andrew, Gillon, Fitzpatrick and Kielty. These men are so far detached from the typical Australian football fan it is not funny. Rhodes Scholars, pigs with political influence and a polo playing management consultant with a diamond-encrusted bed have been running this asylum for too long. I acknowledge the need for a robust business model (as we all acknowledged was needed in the late 80s), but it has gone too far.

Call me racist. Ban me. Hurl eggs at me. I can't be the only one that feels this way.
 

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He only did the war dance because he would've gotten fined had he flipped the bird.
His explanation was that he was going to use it playing for the indigenous all stars to show his pride in his culture and for the under 16 kids (WHO CAME UP WITH THE DANCE) but didn't get a chance to do so because he missed that game in the off season. So he did it after kicking a goal on indigenous round. It was slightly provocative but geez...Most "dances" of this ilk have some kind of this "tribal nature" with a bit of warrior element and we are in a sports theatre, I mean what were you expecting a dance to be some kind of Michael Jackson moonwalk or something???
 

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Garbage. I'm prepared to give some people the doubt in the past. There are many foolish sheep that just blindly, maniacally follow the crowd. But after all the commentary and discussion this week it cannot be anything other than racism if you boo Goodes.

Give me another explanation?
Care to elaborate on that bubs? How are you able to conclusively evaluate the thoughts and motivations of thousands of people booing? Do you happen to own a satellite that can read everyone's mind?
 

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Is that an average Tasmanian IQ? C if it is

Mate Jets didn't kick a goal in that game. He did against WC and celebrated accordingly in support of his mate. This getting too difficult
Celebrated accordingly = racist up yours gesture towards crowd but wait hes a minority so its not racist
 
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The IOC doesn't allow acts of or political statements. Obviously the AFL has a different Agenda.
EFA

The AFL has lost the plot entirely....Sport/politics should never co-exist, for the same reasons of church/state.
 

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Nope, I have a full understanding.

The booing will continue for various reasons, and contrary to what any idiots in the AFL, the media say, or bigfooty say, they're not all motivated by racism.

Does that matter when some are? The ones that arent racist but are aware that others are doing it as a result of racist are knowingly giving a voice to the racist element. Knowingly giving a voice to racists is despicable.
 

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So you are categorically saying that no person who boos goods does so because they are racist?

That is nonsense and you know it. Don't deflect. Answer my question.
No, but your words is the booing is racist, therefore if you boo it is racism.
If you think that every person that boos Goodes is racist, or even a % of them, then back it up.
Tell me what % of coloured players get booed, what % of whites get booed?
Did you know that white people can be flogs?
Blacks can also
 

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because your sorry for the extent that it's convenient for you. i'm exactly the same. i know i'm taking advantage of stolen land and have a really good life now because of it. but i don't go around pointing fingers at people and saying 'oh you can't boo goodes because 200 years ago X & Y happened'.
Do you really think that the case here? Do you think I'm saying all criticism of Adam Goodes is invalid because of the treatment of Indigenous people in this country since settlement?

Even a cursory glance at my argument would suggest otherwise. Large sections of Australian society don't understand the trauma of the last two hundred years of Australian history. When presented with the facts, particularly by an outspoken Indigenous man, they get defensive because they think it means they'll lose something.
 

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Last I checked footy is a past-time, whereas racism is a political issue....People go to the footy to forget about such things, only to have Goodsey rub it in their faces with the AFL's blessing.

GEE I wonder what has inspired all this booing?o_O
Its 2015, not 1915. Perhaps Goodes should just look the other way when someone addresses a racist remark at him? Perhaps people in the crowd shouldn't say racist things? Football is precisely the place to highlight issues that affect our society in negative way.
 

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He is the one who decided to make indigenous round about him. He could've gotten all the aboriginal players together from his game before/after the game and done something but instead he insulted the fans
"Insulted the fans"
lol
Sad to see a portion of the aboriginal community being marginalised further because of Goodes divisive antics.
Just a reminder for everyone to read it: http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/the-wayland-smithers-school-of.html?m=1
Stop putting one blogger's opinion on a pedestal. The author does make some interesting points on indigenous culture and the way it's understood by wider society. But much of his argument boils down to the idea that Adam Goodes is a rich footballer and so he should just stop whinging and get on with life. It's hardly a game changer.
He made a mockery of it.
Ask yourself- am I the intended audience here?
 
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You don't understand. He specifically said the dance was intended to incite the crowd. That's its purpose..

Go do some learning. His pressers.
I'll quote him for you. No mention of incite. Please quote that:

Speaking at the team's recovery session on Saturday, Goodes said the dance was inspired by the AFL's under-16 indigenous side called the Boomerangs.

"I haven't had the opportunity to do the war cry... and show that passion and pride about being a warrior and representing my people," Goodes said.

"It wasn't something that was pre-meditated. Lewis Jetta and myself had a chat on Thursday that we wanted to represent on Friday night, we wanted to do a dance.

"It's a shame that Lewis couldn't get on the board because he had something planned as well.




"There was nothing untoward to the Carlton supporters.

"[But] for me it had to be towards opposition and say here I am, take me as I am.

"Guys can cheer, boo, whatever. Take it as it is."
 

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No
You just lay shit on a girl's mother because of the "look of her"

Yes mate
There's plenty wrong with you and your double standards.
I didn't boo anyone.


I'm not " the problem " here.


Your constant excusing of this booing is the REAL problem here.
 

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Care to elaborate on that bubs? How are you able to conclusively evaluate the thoughts and motivations of thousands of people booing? Do you happen to own a satellite that can read everyone's mind?
"Bubs". So resort to name calling when you can't sustain an argument. Pathetic really.

I don't need to own a satellite to read your very small mind sir.

I'll leave you alone now. As I said before you don't get it. I feel for people like you.
 

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LOL. No, I am not. I am just pointing out that it is the same both ways. Why do people boo sportsman? Because sports is theatre and most of us want a villain to hate. And a lot of the things people hate about Goodes are invented or at least misconstrued. It's amazing how much is attributed to Goodes for things that he did not say.
Haha -spot on-he didn't actually say many of the things he is being vilified for. They just make it up! Classic.
 

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Australia, white people telling the indigenous what is and is not racist. Since 1788.

Yup

Players say it's been racist ...opposition ones too
Coaches ditto
Club...coaches ...all say it's been racists
Community leaders say it's racist
Professionals who work with aboriginal people say it's racist

Yet a few White people on the Internet say it's not .......

Funny that


I know which group of people I would trust and it's the top list yet the Internet people will bang on.
 

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You will boo Goodes next time when (if) you get a chance?
Sure I will. I still have absolutely nothing against aboriginals, and booing Goodes doesn't conflict with that.

If anything, one good reason to boo would be to see people like you shit your pants. Again, that doesn't make me a racist; it doesn't suggest I bear an agenda toward a race.
 

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I think you need to take a step back and look at what racial vilification is.

IF a player feels like that, then that is it.

your thoughts on the matter are irrelevant, his feelings are paramount in this.
Huge parts of the crowds are not yelling racial slurs at him, they're booing him. It's Adam's thoughts that are irrelevant since he is clearly wrong.
 
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