Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

  • Total voters
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Ridiculous.. It has gone way overboard and has to be reigned in. Don't know where, don't know when but
I'll see you once again.. cough.. got carried away with Vera Lynn the really serious War singer and advocate for the soldiers in WW2.

It's not doing any good but anaethetising everyone to the issue of racism or free speech

I'll keep you updated as to my next round of thoughts..
 

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IF thats what you think i wrote - read it again. Did i mention anything about skin colour?

Im trying to understand the idea behind the booing because its not something that is very common in society outside of football ( as pointed out, not just AFL, rugby, rugby league, and soccer)
Booing is expressing an emotion of dissatisfaction, like cheering is expressing satisfaction. If people weren't satisfied with my behaviour, I'd want to be alerted to it, so I could see whether it needed changing. Adam Goodes just wants everybody to put him on a pedestal, Adam Goodes only cares about Adam Goodes.
 

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Let me guess it'll contain things like:
  • Jolly good show
  • Huzzah
  • I found that descision/action objectionable
  • 3 cheers for the umpire
Only clap when a team member from the Big 4 or an expansion team makes a good play. All smaller Vic clubs or now unloved (G'day Lions!) teams are not to receive a fair allocation of cheers.
 

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So i am guessing the afl and stadiums will be getting rid of the watered down mid strength beers, the gambling ads, the food that can cause obesity, the club songs, and fireworks...?
Someone should seriously link Alcohol to the boos. How many people booing had been drinking that day/night? Lets ban all Alcohol at games.
 

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Where else do people boo?

Why is it considered a thing to do at the footy? Where did it come from?

You dont really see it at any other sport - tennis, maybe - but cant imagine a bunch of people following a golfer around a golf course booing his every action.

You dont see it in society in general - i've never seen anyone boo another person walking down the street, i've never seen it at school, university, nightclubs. The only thing i can think of is a protest - but even then people can usually manage to string a few words together to express themselves rather than just make noise.

Yet here we are with a bunch of people trying to justify themselves with all sorts of ridiculous reasons why its ok to incessantly make derogatory noise at a person for a good three hours every weekend.

If you want to boo, for whatever reason, go ahead.
But IMO, why not come up with some words to use, make yourself look more intelligent than an angry caveman.
Spent a few years in the UK and Ireland, booing is definitely not a big thing over there, particularly in Ireland where you are almost frowned upon if you do it. Definitely an Australian thing
 
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Dallas Scott, respected aboriginal blogger, very interesting read, from as he puts it, "an urban blackfella":

http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au


"As Adam walks out for his next game, before making his way onto that perfectly manicured stadium lawn, I suggest he take a deep, slow breath and reflect upon the reality of his life. Rather than having to emerge from the sheds for the ‘coloured people’, kept separate from the white folks playing beside him, he will run out after being supported by his entire team, not kept to the back. When he is thirsty, he doesn’t have to take a drink at the appropriately labelled drinking fountain, set aside for only folks with his racial identity, but rather will be served like a prince, with a special servant whose only job is to provide refreshments for the thirsty players, regardless of their skin colour or heritage. As he drives his brand new sports car to training, where he looks around at the other players arriving in their equally expensive vehicles and stops to realise he is paid just as much as them, if not more, he should perhaps pause a moment and wonder about whether he is fighting a war that has already been won, and instead of complaining from his position at the top, realise how those on the bottom rungs might be sick of hearing him whinging and would much rather he just got on with life."

read the whole blog, its very enlightening

http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/

"One thing I’ve come to understand about our society is that often, those who see themselves as the most tolerant, educated and enlightened are usually most racist, close-minded of all. These types were the first to pick up their keyboard or a microphone and declare that speaking negatively about the so-called ‘war dance’ effort from Adam Goodes over the weekend means that we are culturally ignorant, yet in making such a claim, have themselves ignored an entire segment of the Aboriginal community, who are appalled at the ‘performance’. In wanting us to be a homogenous community capable of only thinking and feeling one way, therefore enabling them to have the correct information and be ‘right’, they are guilty of the same crime they are continually accusing an entire nation of – RACISM.

The fact is, some Aboriginal people, myself included, saw that embarrassing display and did not feel pride. Instead, we felt shame, and a sense of sadness and loss. Some of this stems from seeing yet more of our traditions mocked and traded upon, invented and earning overnight acclaim, for little more than cheap thrills while the long standing traditions are ignored, left to die quietly and uncelebrated until they are forgotten and lost forever. Some of this comes from the fact we're tired of the theatrics, and how his need for attention will play out for the rest of us, and creep a little into our own lives. For an urban blackfella like me, I hate the fact that all of a sudden my opinion is relevant. I haven’t written a blog post in almost a year, or bothered to watch free to air television in even longer, yet received two messages on my phone today – one from SBS and the other from 2GB, wanting to know what I think about the whole Goodes drama and depending on what I think, whether they want to hear from me. They aren’t the only ones. Friends, acquaintances and even the random guy standing next to me in line at the supermarket suddenly wants to hear what I have to say, but only on this one topic, just for now. The easiest way to get rid of them is to gauge their personal feelings, then just agree with them. If someone is genuinely looking for a discussion, they are easy to tell, but most people just want me to be the token black who validates their own feelings on the matter."

Ps, I'm not a booer!
Respected? By whom? 30 odd blog posts in 4 years :rolleyes:
 

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Jesus Christ, so this is what it's come to. To people who now go to the footy, always stay seated, keep your arms by your sides at all times, gold clap for when your team scores a goal, golf clap when the opposition team scores a goal. Actually, we will no longer be keeping scpres of games. Everyone is a winner come the final siren, and all players will be chaired off after a hard fought contest.

Carry on
You've seen it have you mate?

The number of chicken littles in this thread is hilarious.
 

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That's funny, I thought you weren't going to waste any further time responding to me? I guess a warrior like you just can't help himself.

To answer your question, I go by the actual definition:

"the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

"prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."

Based on these definitions, there's no way you can conclusively claim that everyone who boos him is a racist; that is, unless you're an obnoxious bigot, which you yourself are.
By your own definition, your ongoing booing of Goodes, with the knowledge of everything that has come to light this week (including the explanations of other Aboriginal people how hurt they have been from decades of abuse etc), represents, to me, an "antagonism directed against someone of a different race" based on the fact you think you have a right to belittle him, and are therefore superior to him.

How you can deny your actions are not racist is beyond me and would be beyond most reasonable, fair-minded people.
 
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Its 2015, not 1915. Perhaps Goodes should just look the other way when someone addresses a racist remark at him? Perhaps people in the crowd shouldn't say racist things? Football is precisely the place to highlight issues that affect our society in negative way.
Doesn't make a damn of difference what year or what Century we're in....Free speech is a fundamental requirement of a free society....The fact you & so many other posters in here cannot see that; Is a core reason for so much of the confusion & conflict in this debate.
 

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Dallas Scott, respected aboriginal blogger, very interesting read, from as he puts it, "an urban blackfella":

http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au


"As Adam walks out for his next game, before making his way onto that perfectly manicured stadium lawn, I suggest he take a deep, slow breath and reflect upon the reality of his life. Rather than having to emerge from the sheds for the ‘coloured people’, kept separate from the white folks playing beside him, he will run out after being supported by his entire team, not kept to the back. When he is thirsty, he doesn’t have to take a drink at the appropriately labelled drinking fountain, set aside for only folks with his racial identity, but rather will be served like a prince, with a special servant whose only job is to provide refreshments for the thirsty players, regardless of their skin colour or heritage. As he drives his brand new sports car to training, where he looks around at the other players arriving in their equally expensive vehicles and stops to realise he is paid just as much as them, if not more, he should perhaps pause a moment and wonder about whether he is fighting a war that has already been won, and instead of complaining from his position at the top, realise how those on the bottom rungs might be sick of hearing him whinging and would much rather he just got on with life."

read the whole blog, its very enlightening

http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/

"One thing I’ve come to understand about our society is that often, those who see themselves as the most tolerant, educated and enlightened are usually most racist, close-minded of all. These types were the first to pick up their keyboard or a microphone and declare that speaking negatively about the so-called ‘war dance’ effort from Adam Goodes over the weekend means that we are culturally ignorant, yet in making such a claim, have themselves ignored an entire segment of the Aboriginal community, who are appalled at the ‘performance’. In wanting us to be a homogenous community capable of only thinking and feeling one way, therefore enabling them to have the correct information and be ‘right’, they are guilty of the same crime they are continually accusing an entire nation of – RACISM.

The fact is, some Aboriginal people, myself included, saw that embarrassing display and did not feel pride. Instead, we felt shame, and a sense of sadness and loss. Some of this stems from seeing yet more of our traditions mocked and traded upon, invented and earning overnight acclaim, for little more than cheap thrills while the long standing traditions are ignored, left to die quietly and uncelebrated until they are forgotten and lost forever. Some of this comes from the fact we're tired of the theatrics, and how his need for attention will play out for the rest of us, and creep a little into our own lives. For an urban blackfella like me, I hate the fact that all of a sudden my opinion is relevant. I haven’t written a blog post in almost a year, or bothered to watch free to air television in even longer, yet received two messages on my phone today – one from SBS and the other from 2GB, wanting to know what I think about the whole Goodes drama and depending on what I think, whether they want to hear from me. They aren’t the only ones. Friends, acquaintances and even the random guy standing next to me in line at the supermarket suddenly wants to hear what I have to say, but only on this one topic, just for now. The easiest way to get rid of them is to gauge their personal feelings, then just agree with them. If someone is genuinely looking for a discussion, they are easy to tell, but most people just want me to be the token black who validates their own feelings on the matter."

Ps, I'm not a booer!
And we nearly got through an hour without someone posting this article again.
 

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Working at a school were 100% of the kids are indigenous..

Its been a big story up here just like everyone else around the country. Pretty obvious that a fair potion on here seem to forget that Indigenous people read and use social media.

We read a few newspaper articles, roar articles and this thread. The kids had some pretty profound reflections.

Australia has a LONG LONG LONG way to go.

We may not be a racist country(though you could make a pretty good argument for it) but we are without doubt terribly ignorant.
Sorry, that one random blackfella blogger has already had his say. Your kid's opinions don't mean anything.
 

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Anytime someone tries to address Indigenous grievance some clown comes out with the same line. Believe it it or not people did the exact same thing when Goodes got his AOTY.

"Well it's great that Adam Goodes has been made AOTY for calling out racism but it doesn't do anything to address..."
Oh so I am a clown now? Thanks for the ad hominem. I'll wear it with pride.

Notwithstanding your mistaken belief that abuse constitutes an argument, it does not change the fact that for all the angst and hot air exchanged over racism, bugger all action is taken to rectify the substantive issues.

Much easier to pontificate about the nebulous concept of racism that, like beauty , is in the eye of the beholder.
 
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Absolute nonsense mate.

Goodes did something ridiculously courageous in not tolerating racial abuse.

The fact that we're arguing about that is disgusting.
Problem is he used a kids to do it and he knew she was a kid when he pointed her out. There is a reason why in this country kids are not tried as adults in courts of law, except for when very exceptional serious crimes occur.

The same standards should have been applied here.

I am not saying she did nothing wrong, she did, but the consequences for her were out of line given her age.

Had he had a quiet word to security and requested to speak to her and her family after the game, I would have no issue. he could have even had a media conference and talked about being racially vilified by a 13 year old and all that goes with that to make his point, but she would have been faceless to the media.

The outcome for him would have been he same.

I find it alarming that those that think Adam Goodes has the right to do this because he has been the subject of racism think it is ok for this young girl to have been effectively bullied this way. Two wrongs do not make a right.
 

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Oh so I am a clown now? Thanks for the ad hominem. I'll wear it with pride.

Notwithstanding your mistaken belief that abuse constitutes an argument, it does not change the fact that for all the angst and hot air exchanged over racism, bugger all action is taken to rectify the substantive issues.

Much easier to pontificate about the nebulous concept of racism that, like beauty , is in the eye of the beholder.
What, you dont like feeling perpetually appalled?

what would the media do :)
 
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