Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

  • Total voters
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Do people truly think that a just turned 13 year old could possibly have known that when she yelled ape at Adam Goodes that it would hit him like a 1 tonne racial slur of bricks? I know it must be impossible or outside reality that a child could look at Adam Goodes and think he looks like an ape for no other reason than she think he looks like an ape, as in monkey that she has probably learnt about at primary school. She didn't know the full extent and consequence of what she was saying. This is not the point. The point is Adam should have known this, being an adult who probably has kids himself. 13 year olds also do not fully understand the myriad of different sexuality and the slur words that go with that. Yet they will still sling those words around. How many thirteen year olds among us knew up to thousands of years of human race relations and the words that go with all of it and the meaning etc? Do you think that Australia's horrid past is copy and pasted into young peoples minds through govt education? Hell no! I finished school in 2007 and learnt/taught **** all about indigenous issues. IMO racism only largely exists institutionally now and that's the problem, not little girls saying ape, not at your local footy club, not with boos. Adam Goodes truly felt like his identity and race was attacked by a girl who wouldn't even partially understand race issues at all. Yes it must have hurt him ofc but maybe someone has to be the adult here and get on with it and see it for what it was and from where it came (name calling from a little girl) not what it could possibly, maybe, be, Yet Isn't (purposeful racially motivated slur from little girl who knew or didnt know either way lets slam her), oh yeh that adult is Goodes. Does anyone get a chance to learn things without a public shame session as a child? Is that meant to bring us all together or some shit? **** sake. If you get upset about what a 13 year old says to you then your a child yourself. If you try and spin what a child said to you as racially motivated and instigate a public commentary about it, your a douchebag.
How much spin needs to be involved to make "you're an Ape" a racial comment?

I'll give you a hint. It's a number between nothing and zero.
 

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Oh so I am a clown now? Thanks for the ad hominem. I'll wear it with pride.

Notwithstanding your mistaken belief that abuse constitutes an argument, it does not change the fact that for all the angst and hot air exchanged over racism, bugger all action is taken to rectify the substantive issues.

Much easier to pontificate about the nebulous concept of racism that, like beauty , is in the eye of the beholder.
Not you necessarily. You actually appear to be a very reasonable person, up to debate the issue on it merits. I meant clown more in the true performing artist/politician sense.

Whilst it's true that calling out racism doesn't do much to benefit the lives of Indigenous Australians. I'm sure we can agree that the easiest way to lift someone from disadvantage is to get them in employment. With a section of Australia still confused, distrustful or scared or Indigenous people, that becomes a lot harder. Sometimes you need shock events like this see where everything lands so we can reset policy.
 

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Jesus christ this is stupid; by that logic anyone who insults anyone is a racist.

Stop twisting the definition, and point out where I (or anyone else) suggested that Goodes gets booed because he's inferior to the white race.
i actually think the tall poppy syndrome of goodes actually being very successful and privileged is more a cause of the problem.
 
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Working at a school were 100% of the kids are indigenous..

Its been a big story up here just like everyone else around the country. Pretty obvious that a fair potion on here seem to forget that Indigenous people read and use social media.

We read a few newspaper articles, roar articles and this thread. The kids had some pretty profound reflections.

Australia has a LONG LONG LONG way to go.

We may not be a racist country(though you could make a pretty good argument for it) but we are without doubt terribly ignorant.
AFL has a long way to go.
Soccer, Rugby League and Rugby Union don't have the problems we do.
 
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Name a white player who has bent treated like this .....
There has never been A white player awarded AOTY while still playing, if that's what you mean.....Not even sure if another footballer has full stop.

Not to mention being feted by the AFL, to the point of attempting to silence any dissenting voice.

The game is bigger than any player....Including Adam Goodes.
 
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I don't see many aboriginal players getting booed any more than any other player, but I see a lot of aboriginal players getting cheered and applauded and put up on pedestals by fans for their abilities and character and the good things they do for their club, the game and the broader community all the time, how can this possibly be the case? is it only Sydney aboriginal players we are racist against as a football community?
 

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Problem is he used a kids to do it and he knew she was a kid when he pointed her out. There is a reason why in this country kids are not tried as adults in courts of law, except for when very exceptional serious crimes occur.

The same standards should have been applied here.

I am not saying she did nothing wrong, she did, but the consequences for her were out of line given her age.

Had he had a quiet word to security and requested to speak to her and her family after the game, I would have no issue. he could have even had a media conference and talked about being racially vilified by a 13 year old and all that goes with that to make his point, but she would have been faceless to the media.

The outcome for him would have been he same.

I find it alarming that those that think Adam Goodes has the right to do this because he has been the subject of racism think it is ok for this young girl to have been treated this way. Two wrongs do not make a right.
I've had just about enough of this bullshit about how he "bullied" that girl.

Imagine growing up indigenous in this country. Constantly having people point and whisper about you if not outright abuse you to your face. All day every day you feel like you don't quite fit in.

Despite all this you work your way to the very apex of your sport, winning premierships and every accolade the game has to offer. You assume that this would earn you some measure of respect - and from most people, it does - but the whispers continue. You're big enough to deal with it when it happens to you but you see children who continue to be vilified and denied a fair go so you put your energy into helping them whilst you continue to go about your day job.

So one night you're out on the field doing what you do best and despite all of your best efforts, despite all of the respect you feel you've earned, somebody decides to yell out that you're a fcking ape.

Can you tell me with a straight face that your first instinct isn't to whirl around and point your finger? Can you imagine being in Goodes's shoes that night?

Can you then imagine having the grace to make a public call for support for that girl and absolve her of blame for saying what she did? And despite all that, pricks like Andrew Bolt will point at that flashpoint, and demand that YOU apologise for the way you reacted and use it to justify spewing hatred and vitriol at you until you do.

It's an absolute disgrace.
 

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I want to enjoy my football the way I used to. Cheer my team, boo the opposition. But since that is F***ing illegal now what is the point of having a contest when you can't put off the opposition? I am not a racist but I boo players because that's the spirit of the game.

But what has tipped me over the edge with this whole 'Storm in a Teacup' drama, is that now apparently everyone is going to wear aboriginal flag colored armbands to support the cause? What the hell? Did someone pass on? All this Because people are booing the opposition team's star player?

 

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I've had just about enough of this bullshit about how he "bullied" that girl.

Imagine growing up indigenous in this country. Constantly having people point and whisper about you if not outright abuse you to your face. All day every day you feel like you don't quite fit in.

Despite all this you work your way to the very apex of your sport, winning premierships and every accolade the game has to offer. You assume that this would earn you some measure of respect - and from most people, it does - but the whispers continue. You're big enough to deal with it when it happens to you but you see children who continue to be vilified and denied a fair go so you put your energy into helping them whilst you continue to go about your day job.

So one night you're out on the field doing what you do best and despite all of your best efforts, despite all of the respect you feel you've earned, somebody decides to yell out that you're a fcking ape.

Can you tell me with a straight face that your first instinct isn't to whirl around and point your finger? Can you imagine being in Goodes's shoes that night?

Can you then imagine having the grace to make a public call for support for that girl and absolve her of blame for saying what she did? And despite all that, pricks like Andrew Bolt will point at that flashpoint, and demand that YOU apologise for the way you reacted and use it to justify spewing hatred and vitriol at you until you do.

It's an absolute disgrace.
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Mate, before you get the chance I'm going to applaud you for being prepared to look and listen and change your mind based on what you see rather than sticking to your guns in the face of all that evidence. Wish more people would do it.
Echols is a free thinking type and a great poster overall. Just don't ask Essendon supporters whether they think the same though
 

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I've had just about enough of this bullshit about how he "bullied" that girl.

Imagine growing up indigenous in this country. Constantly having people point and whisper about you if not outright abuse you to your face. All day every day you feel like you don't quite fit in.
Yeah being from a migrant family doesn't present the same challenges. Get your hand off it.

You know what hurts most about being a wog in this country? Being told to go back to where you came from every day in school? No. Trying to identify with your culture, learning your language, visiting your home country and being told you're not really one of them either.

Everybody has challenges. I'm not going to look for a nice soft target like a little girl to overcome them though.
 

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And that's because Goodes crossed the line

It's one thing to have a go at the country awarding you what is regarded at its highest honour, but it's another to intentionally declare war (what a war dance is) and then hide behind the race card

Similar to how the Aussies in rugby walk up to the haka
The media tried to make it an issue, but the NZ teams stood up and said "it's war, you don't run"
Are you hearing yourself? FFS what is wrong with some of you blokes taking such extreme offense at his little jig.

Again I will ask those of you who are so offended....were you as offended when:

Tredrea hung shit on supporters with his mimic?
Mickey O stuck his face in front of the Eagles fans face?
Lockett booted the ball directly at a supporter and hit them (can that be construed as an act of war??)?
A Bulldogs player (I think) giving fans the bird. Or was it a Tigers player?

I repeat...are you really hearing yourself?
 
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I've had just about enough of this bullshit about how he "bullied" that girl.

Imagine growing up indigenous in this country. Constantly having people point and whisper about you if not outright abuse you to your face. All day every day you feel like you don't quite fit in.

Despite all this you work your way to the very apex of your sport, winning premierships and every accolade the game has to offer. You assume that this would earn you some measure of respect - and from most people, it does - but the whispers continue. You're big enough to deal with it when it happens to you but you see children who continue to be vilified and denied a fair go so you out your energy into helping them whilst you continue to go about your day job.

So one night you're out on the field doing what you do best and despite all of your best efforts, despite all of the respect you feel you've earned, somebody decides to yell out that you're a fcking ape.

Can you tell me with a straight face that your first instinct isn't to whirl around and point your finger? Can you imagine being in Goodes's shoes that night?

Can you then imagine having the grace to make a public call for support for that girl and absolve her of blame for saying what she did? And despite all that, pricks like Andrew Bolt will point at that flashpoint, and demand that YOU apologise for the way you reacted and use it to justify spewing hatred and vitriol at you until you do.

It's an absolute disgrace.
He knew she was young before he pointed her out - he said that!

How do you know, or Adam know that matter, that this girl hasn't had to endure ongoing bullying, taunts or abuse and Adam Goodes actions contributed to that? You don't, and neither does he. The point is he didn't think about that or care what damage his actions may cause a child, - and yet he is campaigning for others to think before they act or say something, can't you see the hypocrisy here?

I know he must have had to endure terrible things, and that is NOT OK, but he was the adult and she was a kid, it was an error of judgement on his part on this occasion, and nobody can tell me she deserved the public ridicule that she endured.

He could have handled it better and got the same result in regards to bringing awareness to the issue.

He had my respect, unfortunately he has lost it, at least until he recognises that maybe he could approach things differently. Once you lose people's respect, its pretty hard to get it back, he could have made so much more difference, but that is unlikely now as people will just switch off from him = and that is sad.
 

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Doesn't make a damn of difference what year or what Century we're in....Free speech is a fundamental requirement of a free society....The fact you & so many other posters in here cannot see that; Is a core reason for so much of the confusion & conflict in this debate.
The fact that you consider racial abuse is freedom of speech is actually more of a concern for mine.
 

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Guys and girls who think that there really is nothing wrong with booing Goodes, do you realise that you're now going to be seen as racists, regardless of whether you are or not? There's no grey area here anymore. It's now very much a black and white issue.

Do you understand that although you might just think Goodes is a tool who deserves to be booed, like Ballantyne and Boomer, that you're going to sitting their booing with hundreds of others who genuinely feel that Goodes had no right to point out someone in the crowd who'd called him an 'ape'?
Do you realise you'll be booing along with some others who feels that he shouldn't make any comments about Aboriginal history?
And lastly, do you realise that you'll be booing along with one or two, who genuinely think that "black campaigners get everything given to them, and can **** off!".

Sad but true, but there is varying levels of racism showing it's face amongst those who really want to give Goodes a piece of their mind. You'll be seen to be in that last group, even if you're generally in the first.
 

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He knew she was young before he pointed her out - he said that!

How do you know, or Adam know that matter, that this girl hasn't had to endure ongoing bullying, taunts or abuse and Adam Goodes actions contributed to that? You don't, and neither does he. The point is he didn't think about that or care what damage his actions may cause a child, - and yet he is campaigning for others to think before they act or say something, can't you see the hypocrisy here?

I know he must have had to endure terrible things, and that is NOT OK, but he was the adult and she was a kid, it was an error of judgement on his part on this occasion, and nobody can tell me she deserved the public ridicule that she endured.

He could have handled it better and got the same result in regards to bringing awareness to the issue.

He had my respect, unfortunately he has lost it, at least until he recognises that maybe he could approach things differently. Once you lose people's respect, its pretty hard to get it back, he could have made so much more difference, but that is unlikely now as people will just switch off from him = and that is sad.
We walk past dozens of security cameras, our seats are numbered, our season tickets are named, etc etc etc. Did I hear a racist adult? Shame him good and proud. Did I hear an unmistakeably young female voice? Go through club/admin/ground channels. Official statement endorsed by league, will not name or identify child due to being a minor.
 
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