Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

  • Total voters
    1,888
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Are you REALLY going to rehash this?

This little dance has been done a dozen times in this thread alone.
One of your moderators used the extremely offensive slur "love it (australia) or leave" in this thread too, have you done anything about that?
 

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Like I have said, I booed him earlier this year but it's become quite apparent that for everyone 10 people who are booing him because they think he's a diving flog, there's 2-3 who think he had no right to stand up to being racially vilified and that he should have just worn the "ape" tag and stop sooking.

If you choose to boo, especially after EVERY clubs players have tried to get it to stop, you're going to be judged as being a part of the 2-3, not the other 7.
i don't think anyone should wear being villified. where we depart is whether the booing is vilification by any usual understanding of the term, and whether the % amount of racists is significant enough to make it reasonable to view it as 'supporting the racist's.

just like the percentage of muslims that are terrorists is not enough to make the good muslims want to stop being muslim so they aren't associated with the terrorists.

it's just the ad homenim form of the fallacy of association. trying to guilt people into stopping by associating them with all kinds of nasty types. i don't mind that people feel sorry for him and want the boos to stop. but the reetarded and fallacious way people are going about it just shits me.
 

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I know that. I'm a grown man. I don't think I knew it was a racial slur that at 13 and I doubt she did either.
I suppose it's an education thing. If you grow up in a family that is comfortable with racism you would probably not know that the rest of the community considers it poor form.

To be honest, racism was everywhere when I was growing up. First the Italians, then the Greeks, the Lebanese and finally the Asians. I suppose it's reasonable to assume some people did not get the memo.
 

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Does he remotely resemble a giraffe?
She probably watched all the footy shows and heard them talking about how Dunstall was a gorilla up forward.
Ok, so we're getting somewhere now. You're now acknowledging that you think he looks like an ape, and this is where her head was at. Yes?

My next question to you is, do you think she called Goodes an ape because she thought he might appreciate it? Or do you think she might have been saying something that she thought would get under his skin?
Him being a Swans player and her being a Pies fan....

Because, you know, when I see teens leaning over the fence to yell at opposition players, I generally don't feel that they're doing it as a form of encouragement.
 

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Ok, so we're getting somewhere now. You're now acknowledging that you think he looks like an ape, and this is where her head was at. Yes?

My next question to you is, do you think she called Goodes an ape because she thought he might appreciate it? Or do you think she might have been something that she thought would get under his skin?

Because, you know, when I see teens leaning over the fence to yell at opposition players, I generally don't feel that they're doing it as a form of encouragement.
Of course she was yelling it as an insult/abuse, I've never said otherwise.
 

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It was posted by someone else, not me.
What is the definitive list of racial slurs? This stuff needs to be in school curricula yesterday!
Yes but you referenced it to make a point.

I know your being facetious and I see where your coming from you need to find a better angle to prove your because you know full well there is no definitive list and alot of it depends on context.
 

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Yes but you referenced it to make a point.

I know your being facetious and I see where your coming from you need to find a better angle to prove your because you know full well there is no definitive list and alot of it depends on context.
So are you telling me that there is no definitive list and that someone can racially slur without intending to? Like perhaps a 13yo girl might?
 

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What Brererton did? Are you fricken serious? That was never "part of the game."

As a North Melbourne supporter who was around during the era of the Krakouers the unrelenting vile disgusting shit dished up by Brereton was never part of the way North Melbourne played or Essendon or Geelong or most other clubs.....

Brerreton made a conscious decision to introduce it into the game in 1991. Notwithstanding he probably wasn't the only one, but very few players resorted to that level of vilification. Had he resorted to that stuff today he would have ended up in court.

The only reason he apologised was after Michael Long and Nicky Winmar took their stand and even then they copped abuse for what they did. Just as Adam Goodes is copping today.
Scoopar, you don't know what you're talking about.

I've read and listened to interviews with Maurice Rioii, Nicky Winmar, Mick McLean, Syd Jackson, Phil Egan, Robbie Muir, Jim and Phil Krakouer. They've all spoken about the relentless racist abuse they received on a weekly basis from all clubs. They said one of the most hurtful aspects was hearing the racist abuse from their own teammates directed at their opponents. Guys they were great mates with abusing rival players, calling them "black c___" and then joking around afterwards in the change rooms like nothing had happened.

It WAS a part of the game. That's the whole point. VFL footballers from all clubs knew they could put most of the aboriginal footballers off their game by racially abusing them. Why do you think the aboriginal footballers were always getting reported? Why do you think so many of them had such brief careers in the VFL? Tony Shaw, Dermott Brereton, Damian Monkhorst and thousands of others from 60's, 70s' and 80's weren't racist people. They used racial abuse as an on-field weapon - it was pure gamesmanship. It was a nasty, dark side of the game that nobody wanted to acknowledge for a long, long time.

Thankfully things changed after the public protests by Nicky Winmar and Michael Long. People became more aware. The AFL changed the rules and introduced a racial vilification code. The governments followed suit and introduced stricter laws not long after. The SA government introduced their Racial Vilification Act in 1996.

You're also wrong about Brereton's apologies. He privately apologised to Nicky Winmar and Chris Lewis well before he came clean, admitted what he'd done and made a public apology. He is actually one of the few footballers to have done so. I don't think he deserves to be castigated for that.

Saying that he would "end up in court in today if he did that" is just ridiculous. You miss the whole point of the debate and fail to understand how we've changed as a society.

It doesn't surprise me that an avowed anti-Hawthorn fool such as Tedeski would like your post.
 
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I suppose it's an education thing. If you grow up in a family that is comfortable with racism you would probably not know that the rest of the community considers it poor form.
Not necessarily, given aborigines are like 2% of the population the majority of non-indigenous kids can grow up without having much to do with aboriginal kids at all.
She may have been well aware not to call someone a dago or a poof but had no reason to know that ape was a racial slur against aborigines.
 
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If u dont allow a black man to speak his opinion and state some sad facts about the treatment of Indigenous people whether u like it or not and then boo him incessantly your a rascist. All the other reasons have been exposed as smokescreens
So, like, you made an account to stick up for Goodes in an online forum? Your talents are being so wasted here. Go to the supermarket, get some eggs, and fall in line soldier.

The swans army needs you to hurl those eggs with all your might when he is bood next! Fly across the country if need be. Your crusading for his feelings should know no bounds!
 
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