Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

  • Total voters
    1,888
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You and the AFL condoning censorship by labeling booing as "racism" but only for one player is what is concerning and being debated by people with strong measured opinions here.

Umpires have feelings too. They get berated, called maggot, called white flogs, bood at every decision, they know they are considered scum by half the crowd. No one asks them to be coddled. They show up and do their job and leave.

Goodes has the exact same decision to make.
Nope abuse for your job-a choice. I can be critical of the way you do your job. That is quite different from abuse of your skin-not a choice, not something one can be critiqued for.
 

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Not necessarily, given aborigines are like 2% of the population the majority of non-indigenous kids can grow up without having much to do with aboriginal kids at all.
She may have been well aware not to call someone a dago or a poof but had no reason to know that ape was a racial slur against aborigines.
Yes I can see what is happening here.

A large number of posters are incredulous that anyone (no matter what age) would not know that ape is a racial slur. That was certainly the case in my family.

The rest are indignant because they genuinely didn't know what was racist as teenagers and could easily see themselves in that girls shoes.

Is that a fair reading of the situation?
 

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Really?....Does that include your statement also?

Your lack of constitutional understanding of the fundamental basis for a free society is what is 'laughable'!...No, Actually, it's rather sad.

Don't make me shred you on this forum chum, because I will.
Freedom of speech is not a right recognised under the constitution.
 

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Straight from the recently released book, "1000 reasons I am not racist", by Andrew Bolt, Rita Panahi, Miranda Devine and Alan Jones.
A South Australian, Iranian Australian, American Australian and a Martian.

Don't know about racist but a pretty good cross section.
 

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You and the AFL condoning censorship by labeling booing as "racism" but only for one player is what is concerning and being debated by people with strong measured opinions here.

Umpires have feelings too. They get berated, called maggot, called white flogs, bood at every decision, they know they are considered scum by half the crowd. No one asks them to be coddled. They show up and do their job and leave.

Goodes has the exact same decision to make.

The umpires get booed because of their decisions. They get booed as umpires, not individuals.

If the circumstances were the same the Swans would all be booed. But no, it's only Goodes that cops it to this level. The attacks are on the individual.

It's an extremely simple distinction, but seeing how many simple concepts are being struggled with in this thread nothing really surprises.

I've also never heard an umpire be booed right from the first bounce like Goodes gets either.

Motivations aside, it's blatant bullying and the fact there's thousands lining up to defend their right to bully someone like this is a disgrace.
 
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That is quite different from abuse of your skin-not a choice, not something one can be critiqued for.
Your opinion predicates on the fact that all booing is not based in large part on Goodes job as a footballer. A sydney swans prime target of booing. A much maligned protected species within his job, a footballer. Which he had long history of before going political on the country.

No one person could possibly know the collective reasons for booing and no one can claim its all racial. Not even lunatics like Pridham.

The poll in here alone (which is not subject to political correctness bias) shows there is no consensus. Sorry. Theory falls flat.
 

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True. However were his ancestors of 100-150 years ago considered closer to apes than white Europeans?

Ahh there is the real question.
Oh wow. First European migrants get lumped with the actual convicts and first settlers. And now Captain Cook's off the hook leaving the wogs holding the bag.

Nicely done.
 

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So are you telling me that there is no definitive list and that someone can racially slur without intending to? Like perhaps a 13yo girl might?
Yes, you can unintentionally offend anyone over a variety of things. However that girl chose that particular comment for a reason even if she did not understand the full consequences of what she was saying.
 
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Your opinion predicates on the fact that all booing is not based in large part on Goodes job as a footballer. A sydney swans prime target of booing. A much maligned protected species within his job, a footballer. Which he had long history of before going political on the country.

No one person could possibly know the collective reasons for booing and no one can claim its all racial. Not even lunatics like Pridham.

The poll in here alone (which is a piece meaningless drivel) shows there is no consensus. Sorry. Theory falls flat.
Fixed.
 

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Goodes' comments regarding Australia Day being 'Invasion Day' I think hasn't gone well with most Australians. Seems almost contradictory that he would accept the Australian of the Year award given his own vitriolic stance on Australia Day. Although I think the booing should stop since it has personally affected Goodes to the point that he is considering retirement, I wouldn't be surprised if it continued simply out of frustration at how the media and the AFL have handled it including the generalisation that all booers are somehow evil white redneck raycists.

Despite working with the Aboriginal community, etc... I think the way he handled the 'ape' incident was wrong and counter-productive. Up until this point he was respected by the wider AFL community and since then his actions have caused more division than anything.

I don't think the booing is racist. Ballantyne gets booed. So did Buckley and Carey. Given Goodes' inflammatory comments regarding Australia Day, the way he handled the 'ape' incident, the war dance incident, it is unsurprising that sections of the broader AFL community have reacted the way they have. Goodes shouldn't have to tolerate any form of racism in the same way that AFL supporters should have to tolerate his on and off-field behaviour -- the progress he has made with the Aboroginal community is an entirely separate issue. And yes, I've seen kids around the ages of 10-13 use racial slurs against other races without knowing the significance of them plenty of times.

In attempting to show pride in his race and culture he has only caused more division, has politicised the AFL, and have wrongly created and pushed a generalisation that AFL supporters are a bunch of evil inbred low-IQ white raycist KKK rednecks.

And no, this saga hasn't brought up any uncomfortable facts about race relations in this country. If anything, it has demonstrated how incredibly weak the AFL is in handling this entire situation. They think that they can put a lid on the situation by unashamedly using shaming tactics to rewire people's opinion towards their own in a cheap effort move on. And the fact that the AFL have caved into Goodes' victimology is astounding. It's a shame since Goodes' AFL legacy has been unquestionably tarnished by these recent incidents.
 

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The fact of projecting your political stereotypes into my mouth is even more disconcerting....Because you seem to think it's O.K to do that....It isn't, so quit it.
Haha -rightio. Calling an indigenous man an ape, is racist. Pretty simple I would have thought.
But wait, I've got more for you Proc. Pretty sure if you trace the origins of this booing back, you will find Hawthorn. The Hawk supporters started the booing- and you are correct- it was not because they are racist, not because they think he is dirty and slid into Gibson, not because politics and footy don't mix, not because he won AOTY, not because he 'makes it about him' ....
Just because some of your fan base are sore losers and he pantsed you in the 2012 GF. Think you will find that is the germ that began this sorry saga, and now it has taken on a life of its own. Your club should start the campaign to turn it around- sounds fair-what about that?;) :)
 
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Your opinion predicates on the fact that all booing is not based in large part on Goodes job as a footballer. A sydney swans prime target of booing. A much maligned protected species within his job, a footballer. Which he had long history of before going political on the country.

No one person could possibly know the collective reasons for booing and no one can claim its all racial. Not even lunatics like Pridham.

The poll in here alone (which is not subject to political correctness bias) shows there is no consensus. Sorry. Theory falls flat.
The English language is not your strong point, is it, tesseract, sorry, you're posting as a woman tonight, Docker Alyssa?
 

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True. However were his ancestors of 100-150 years ago considered closer to apes than white Europeans?

Ahh there is the real question.
Not by me, why is that what you think? I don't see the connection, we were all once Apes. Are you saying Aboriginals haven't evolved as fast as whites?
 

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Retreating into dictionary definitions and consistency traps again? Stop trolling.

You know full well that calling an Aboriginal guy an ape is bloody horrendous.
No NO NO


apparently it's all ok according to the same 3 peanuts who aren't even cluey enough to realise they're in the wrong.

They had plenty of backup yesterday but that's been gradually whittled away today yet they STILL stomp their feet like petulant 3 year olds.


Disgraceful
 

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This only '1 of 71' argument has been explained.Hes the strongest voice but the rest of the indigenous players support him.Goodes therefore cops the heat.Once again people dont like there black sports stars been opionated.Just shut up and win us games is how the average punter views there indigenous players.The rest of the afl players get it, the Afl get it but the punters are just hiding behind 'we just.dont like Goodes'.The guise is up.If u dont allow a black man to speak his opinion and state some sad facts about the treatment of Indigenous people whether u like it or not and then boo him incessantly your a rascist.All the other reasons have been exposed as smokescreens
I'm sorry, but I am going to have to disagree with you here.

No one I've ever spoken to sees Goodes as "just shut up and win us the game". That's just a terrible argument. I bet the people that do say such things also say the same about the stellar "white" folk.

Goodes has, like I said, all the right to bring Indigenous issues to the forefront. However, it's the way he is doing it that is incorrect. He didn't have to point that girl out. Instead, he could have raised the issue post game. He could have done the war dance to the opposition and not the crowd. He himself said it was more of a celebration, so why then didn't he do it pre-game? He also could have posed the question to the crowd "why the booing?" instead of straight away going down the lines of that it must be racist. I think he views every Australian as racist due to past racial slur incidents. Yes, this did occur and did again recently, but not every Australian is racist, and not everyone that is booing him is racist also. I for one believe that we are improving as a nation. There's positives, but some folk just want to continually focus on the negative shit.

I want Goodes to be opinionated. I want him to discuss Indigenous rights. However, when your dealing in a sporting domain, then your actions have to be a little different. You just can't incite the crowd. What do you expect the result will be?

The way forward is recognition of the past and not rehashing the issues over and over again. We must all come together and reconcile. It must be a joint effort with ego set aside. There's no place for war. All the anger of the past must be expressed in healthy ways. Although the average Australian is responsible for the majority of reconciling past issues, the Indigenous folk also have to want positive change rather than be preoccupied with the past hurts. There needs to be a conscious forgiveness, otherwise the issue of race will continue for eons to come. True reconciliation is the ability to forgive the other.
 
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