Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

  • Total voters
    1,888
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This is actually stuffed the support this ****** is getting. It isn't ******* RACISM. If staging for free kicks, sliding in and taking out peoples knees countless times, being protected from the umpires, singling out a 13 year old girl and embarrassing her and then calling her the face of racism and also taunting the crowd by pretending to throw a spear at them in some provocative war dance is a race then apparently any flog who does this shit can claim racism and not identify the fact they people MAY actually be booing them because they are arrogant, harmful human beings then there is something severely wrong.
Let me get this straight, you are up in arms, caps lock n all because... pretending to throw a pretend spear is taunting the crowd.

Come now child.
 

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He couldn't of handled the ape incident any better, that girl deserved to be called out and educated on the subject
Err yes he could have

"Hello all, I would like to address a taunt that was directed at me in tonights game. This person in the crowd called me an Ape. Whether at the time of calling me an ape this person knew it had racist connotations attached to it is up for debate. That's why I would like to take this oppotunity to educate people and let them know that calling someone of my heritage and ape is hurtful"
 

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But AFL players and coaches being politically correctly to support someones feelings isn't meaningless drivel? Just seems like a whole bunch of "who can show their tolerance harder" in the media this week.

Where as we here in this thread represent the cross section of people in this country with unbiased opinions. Honest on both sides. So much so a lot of you are all embarrassed at the opinions. So you can't be suggesting the poll areas suggesting it isn't racism is not counted in it, but people in the public space acting for their politically correct interests ARE counted.
Actually if you read the articles they are very heartfelt and genuine.

There are also a lot of people wandering onto the Swans board and being very kind in their comments. As a Swans supporter it is much appreciated.

Perhaps some people feel good when they show empathy and compassion for others. It's a fairly universal human trait.
 

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No, no he didn't at all. You couldn't find a single quote from him saying the booing is racist, let alone saying it right from the start. Feel free to dig one up.
Ok. So why are all his friends standing up for him saying that he is hurt by the booing. He sees the booing as a racist attack. If not, then he should come out and say so, then all the media hysteria can calm down. Why not be honest about things then if its not racist? Explain to the people why. Create some two way discussion about it. Otherwise it's just creating a media shit storm.
 
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Those imaginary spears are dangerous and can cause real damage.

I am surprised no-one was seriously injured when Goodes threw it into the crowd.
My father never recovered after he was attacked by an imaginary spear.
 

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Yes, you can unintentionally offend anyone over a variety of things. However that girl chose that particular comment for a reason even if she did not understand the full consequences of what she was saying.
I would say its because she thought he looked a bit like an ape. Just like she would've called him a fat so-and-so if he was a large fella.
I reckon the odds are 500-1 that she chose it as a racial insult (as opposed to the far more common black campaigner) or was intending to suggest he was closer to ape than human due to his skin colour.
 
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I'll say that if Adam reckons he's ready for a political career, he's sadly mistaken. As every pollie knows, doesn't matter what you say, you have to be ready to cop backlash from some group.

if this has affected Adam so much, for his health, I hope he retires and lives a nice quiet life away from the spot light.
 

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Throwing a fake spear at the crowd was not a smart move.

Traditional dances should have been done before the match or after the match and not seen to be aimed at the opposition crowd.

I doubt it was malicious but it was definitely inevitably going to rub many people the wrong way.

There is a reason why the Haka isn't aimed at the crowd.
 

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Those imaginary spears are dangerous and can cause real damage.

I am surprised no-one was seriously injured when Goodes threw it into the crowd.
According to some in this thread.

Pretending to throw a pretend spear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling an indigenous person an ape
 

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In all honesty, I never made the link 'til Goodes pointed it out. Is there any other animals that are also racial slurs? You know, I wouldn't want to say the wrong thing now. Can we call him a dog? What about Chicken?
Andrew Symonds was called a monkey in India. Team stuck by him. Seriously dude you've never heard of people using Darwinism for racist purposes etc?
 

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Then you are conflating things....

The poll, which I was talking about, isn't about the ape incident. It is about why people boo Adam Goodes. You want to make it about something specific, you will find yourself disagreeing with a portion of the nation in your assertions.
Yep but the discussion I was having was about freedom of speech.
Think you are muddying the waters-its pretty clearcut.
 
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I would say its because she thought he looked a bit like an ape. Just like she would've called him a fat so-and-so if he was a large fella.
I reckon the odds are 500-1 that she chose it as a racial insult (as opposed to the far more common black campaigner) or was intending to suggest he was closer to ape than human due to his skin colour.
yep, hairiest guy I've ever seen. the resemblance is uncanny. not only racist. might need eyes checked as well.

 

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Goodes' comments regarding Australia Day being 'Invasion Day' I think hasn't gone well with most Australians. Seems almost contradictory that he would accept the Australian of the Year award given his own vitriolic stance on Australia Day. Although I think the booing should stop since it has personally affected Goodes to the point that he is considering retirement, I wouldn't be surprised if it continued simply out of frustration at how the media and the AFL have handled it including the generalisation that all booers are somehow evil white redneck raycists.

Despite working with the Aboriginal community, etc... I think the way he handled the 'ape' incident was wrong and counter-productive. Up until this point he was respected by the wider AFL community and since then his actions have caused more division than anything.

I don't think the booing is racist. Ballantyne gets booed. So did Buckley and Carey. Given Goodes' inflammatory comments regarding Australia Day, the way he handled the 'ape' incident, the war dance incident, it is unsurprising that sections of the broader AFL community have reacted the way they have. Goodes shouldn't have to tolerate any form of racism in the same way that AFL supporters should have to tolerate his on and off-field behaviour -- the progress he has made with the Aboroginal community is an entirely separate issue. And yes, I've seen kids around the ages of 10-13 use racial slurs against other races without knowing the significance of them plenty of times.

In attempting to show pride in his race and culture he has only caused more division, has politicised the AFL, and have wrongly created and pushed a generalisation that AFL supporters are a bunch of evil inbred low-IQ white raycist KKK rednecks.

And no, this saga hasn't brought up any uncomfortable facts about race relations in this country. If anything, it has demonstrated how incredibly weak the AFL is in handling this entire situation. They think that they can put a lid on the situation by unashamedly using shaming tactics to rewire people's opinion towards their own in a cheap effort move on. And the fact that the AFL have caved into Goodes' victimology is astounding. It's a shame since Goodes' AFL legacy has been unquestionably tarnished by these recent incidents.
Goodes was honoured with AOTY precisely so he could provide an aboriginal perspective.
 

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Yes I can see what is happening here.

A large number of posters are incredulous that anyone (no matter what age) would not know that ape is a racial slur. That was certainly the case in my family.

The rest are indignant because they genuinely didn't know what was racist as teenagers and could easily see themselves in that girls shoes.

Is that a fair reading of the situation?
My 'defence' (for the lack of a better term) of the girl is not about my own personal knowledge at 13 but what is actually reasonable to expect from a 13yo.
 
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