Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

  • Total voters
    1,888
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I think this whole saga is going to set a new precedent on booing. Anyone that boos an Indigenous player for maybe a one off stupid act (like striking someone in the head during play) will be looked at as racist. The whole booing thing in the game will change forever from this.
 

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So according to the Big Footy poll, fewer than one-third of respondents believe the booing is racist.
You get an even lower percentage if you tally up all the votes. Racism makes up just 19% of the votes.

No telling how many of those votes are from biased Sydney fans, but it would be a large percentage judging by the posts in this thread.

The overall figure would also be inflated by people who don't really think the booing racist, but maybe concede there would be "a few racist boos" amongst a crowd of 40,000 and so they included it as their 2nd or 3rd vote.

The tribe has spoken. The people on here disagree with the AFL's media campaign.
People boo Goodes because they don't like him and it has nothing to do with his race.

Power to the people!
 

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Do you honestly think it was intended to aim at primal instincts and start a war though?
I believe I'm stated that I'm 100% sure that it wasn't Goodes intention.

But when you're talking about tens of thousands of people not everyone is going to interpreted things the way you intended them.

Just as I think that much of the booing isn't related to racism but has been interpreted as racism and should stop because it's causing genuine distress to Goodes that goes beyond what the people booing him wish to do.
 
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So according to the Big Footy poll, fewer than one-third of respondents believe the booing is racist.
You get an even lower percentage if you tally up all the votes. Racism makes up just 19% of the votes.

No telling how many of those votes are from biased Sydney fans, but it would be a large percentage judging by the posts in this thread.

The overall figure would also be inflated by people who don't really think the booing racist, but maybe concede there would be "a few racist boos" amongst a crowd of 40,000 and so they included it as their 2nd or 3rd vote.
Well that settles it then.

All social issues to be decided by BigFooty polls. Jack Watts to become very busy.
 

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I'm a white, middle-aged, able-bodied, average intelligence, fully employed, heterosexual male with no distinguishing physical characteristics or specific religious or political beliefs. I would make a comment about being discriminated against except it's quite clear I wouldn't have any idea what I'm talking about.
 
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I believe I'm stated that I'm 100% sure that it wasn't Goodes intention.

But when you're talking about tens of thousands of people not everyone is going to interpreted things the way you intended them.

Just as I think that much of the booing isn't related to racism but has been interpreted as racism and should stop because it's causing genuine distress to Goodes that goes beyond what the people booing him wish to do.
Thing is though, only a small portion of the crowd believes it was intended to provoke them. The entire AFL playing community and a large portion of the Indigenous community believe the booing is a racial attack. Difference.
 

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Listening to a conversation at work about Goodes And it's surprisingly like reading this thread... Just expanded.

"F*ckin' Goodes is a sook. This has nothing to do with racism, the black c*nt"

"Stupid Abo picking on a poor little girl. He gets what he deserves"

"Who the f*ck made this black c*nt the AotY?"

But no, you guys keep telling me it's not racial.
 
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Not going to read this thread, far to long, but thought I would make this comment.

Watching the news this morning when that paragon of self righteousness David Koch in a conversation with Mark Latham and Jeff Kennett piped up with the comment "We all like our indigenous sportspeople as long as they don't have an opinion." Now Kochy may be a half decent guy but in this case he is a total knob head. I will categorically say that I don't boo Adam Goodes because he is Indigenous. I boo Adam Goodes because he plays for the bloody Sydney Swans and over the last couple of years as his body slowly stop allowing him to be the incredible footballer he once was, he has resorted to cheap shots and staging to win free kicks. For that, and that alone I boo him. I am an Essendon supporter and we, much like St Kilda supporters understand and commend indigenous players who make a stand. Michael Long is a legend of the game in Essendon supporters eyes, both for his stand against racism and for his on field exploits. Right there is an indigenous male with an opinion and people laud him for it. We see it every year with the Dreamtime game at the G and the long walk. Nicky Winmar lifting his guernsey to the Collingwood members is one of, if not the most iconic image of our game. The courage of that man to do what he did, when he did was a sight to behold. We don't boo these men because they had an opinion, we hold them in esteem for the opinions they had and their courage to act. For Kochy to suggest what he did is offensive to all fair minded supporters of this game who don't see the colour of skin, but the talent of the man beneath it.

I don't object to Adam Goodes doing his war dance, or being a leader amongst his people or for being politically motivated to achieve better health, education and welfare outcomes for Indigenous Australians. These are all admirable goals and traits. I have long been an advocate for teaching Aboriginal culture in all our primary and secondary schools. After all, the more we understand something the more likely we are to accept it. Adam Goodes will and should rightfully be recognised as one of the most talented footballers we have ever had the pleasure of watching play. But that isn't the issue.

No, I don't boo Adam Goodes because I'm a racist, I boo Adam Goodes because he doesn't play for my team and for the last couple of years he has been a dick. I also boo every West Coast player after the treatment Jobe Watson received at the hands of their supporters in 2013. Where were the headlines screaming about his poor treatment. I'll boo Patrick Ryder because he screwed over my club by leaving in the way he did, but I never booed Gavin Wanganeen even though he left us. I boo Dustin Martin, Chris Judd and Stevie Johnson, I even used to boo Paul Chapman until he played for us. Am I racist because I boo them, or is it okay for a white man to be booed but not a coloured man. Should we all politely sit on the sidelines and deliver opera claps and hearty hear hears when a opponent tears us apart, or should we continue on our tribal path of booing all and sundry if they don't play for us and have committed some perceived insult, be it a sly hit, an outrageous dive or a blatant foul against one of ours?

I am truly sorry that Adam Goodes is feeling hurt by opposition supporters booing him, but I would put good money on the fact that he did the same when he was a kid growing up and watching his favourite team. To label everyone that boos him as racist is as divisive as the act of racism is itself.
 

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So according to the Big Footy poll, fewer than one-third of respondents believe the booing is racist.
You get an even lower percentage if you tally up all the votes. Racism makes up just 19% of the votes.

No telling how many of those votes are from biased Sydney fans, but it would be a large percentage judging by the posts in this thread.

The overall figure would also be inflated by people who don't really think the booing racist, but maybe concede there would be "a few racist boos" amongst a crowd of 40,000 and so they included it as their 2nd or 3rd vote.
That's right. Racism is just a tactic that legends like Derm used to get under the skin of indigenous players anyway.
 

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Thing is though, only a small portion of the crowd believes it was intended to provoke them. The entire AFL playing community and a large portion of the Indigenous community believe the booing is a racial attack. Difference.
Not really.

If we're talking about why or why someone doesn't boo the only interpretation that is relevant is the person doing the booing.

If someone thinks that Goodes was aiming the dance at them then they'd be more likely to boo him because of it.
 

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Listening to a conversation at work about Goodes And it's surprisingly like reading this thread... Just expanded.

"F*ckin' Goodes is a sook. This has nothing to do with racism, the black c*nt"

"Stupid Abo picking on a poor little girl. He gets what he deserves"

"Who the f*ck made this black c*nt the AotY?"

But no, you guys keep telling me it's not racial.
This isn't the "things that didn't happen" thread
 

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WTF? When was the Commonwealth of Australia invaded? Did I miss something? I mean, that's the country Goodes was born into and lived his whole life in if I'm not mistaken. That is his country.

People really grabbing on to history here as though everyone today lived through it themselves. glory be me people really can overthink themselves into a quandary sometimes.
Nah, not really mate. His country is the one that he culturally associates with. His country has 40,000 years of history. You probably need to think more broadly when you think of coutry. It is more than a piece of soil; it is a cultural identity.
 
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Freedom of speech means hearing things you might not always agree with. To whom would you delegate the task of deciding what we can and can't say?
Duh. SJW thinking mandates the oppressed get to decide.

So Adam of cour... oh wait, guy is a millionaire, with power and privilige, the ability to mobilise entire hordes of the self-righteous in his name, and with half of his genealogy being white. *head scratch*
 

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Waleed Aly stated after Goodes did the Aboriginal war dance back in June.

"There is no mystery about this at all," he said. "And it's not as simple as it being about race, it's about something else. It's about the fact that Australia is generally a very tolerant society until its minorities demonstrate that they don't know their place. And at that moment, the minute someone in a minority position acts as though they're not a mere supplicant, then we lose our minds. And we say, 'No, no, you've got to get back in your box here'."
I'm a big fan of Aly but that point is exceptionally unremarkable. The social constraints that underly every functioning society is moral outrage when someone commits an action that is non-normative--or demonstrates that they 'don't know their place'. This doesn't extend merely to minorities and an argument like that can be used to justify the actions of every individual, group etc. who deviates from the 'cultural norm'--no matter the ethical permissibility of their actions. A comment like that doesn't take into account the content or substance of the issue, it just asserts that common outrage is somehow evidence of racial violence. Again though, in recent times numerous players across numerous sporting codes have taken a far more concrete and non-diluted stand against racism than Goodes has yet they haven't faced the unprecedented booing campaigns that Goodes has encountered either. Aly's point is reductionist, in fact its not really a point at all. To tacitly imply that Goodes is being booed solely because of an ingrained racial hatred is simply parochial. I am of no doubt whatsoever that racial bigotry underlies the motivations of some supporters who are booing Goodes, but to suggest that Goodes is being booed solely because he doesn't know his place ignores the multi-plural society in which we live and the wealth of counter information (other sporting figures haven't faced this kind of abuse) that exists to challenge that point. The abuse Goodes is facing has a different genesis in every different supporter, to claim otherwise extends the hive mind mentality that encourages and legitimates the booing (a supporter, no matter their motivation, would not boo Goodes alone), to the underlying motivations of every individual supporter.
 

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Thing is though, only a small portion of the crowd believes it was intended to provoke them. The entire AFL playing community and a large portion of the Indigenous community believe the booing is a racial attack. Difference.
But don't know 100% that it is racially motivated, but it certainly suits an agenda the media is using to drum up viewers/readers. Good to know.
 
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