Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

Why are crowds booing Goodes?

  • Racism

    Votes: 565 29.9%
  • He's perceived as a dirty player

    Votes: 563 29.8%
  • He's perceived as making a team game all about himself

    Votes: 758 40.1%
  • Because everyone else is booing, I thought I'd join in - like a Mexican wave thing

    Votes: 268 14.2%
  • Because Gillon doesnt want them to

    Votes: 135 7.2%
  • I have no idea

    Votes: 74 3.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 183 9.7%
  • His onfield message is at odds with his off field one

    Votes: 233 12.3%
  • He can do no wrong with the MRP

    Votes: 164 8.7%
  • I was saying Boo-Urns?

    Votes: 61 3.2%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 56 3.0%

  • Total voters
    1,888
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The public record.... lets look at the "public record"
He called her out at the match - fact - racist
He called it a racist statement after the match - fact -
He called her racist - not only racist but "the face of racism" - the next day - fact

These are the "facts" and they are not in dispute. They are what HE said and what HE did without even bothering to speak to her.

After having 3 cracks at her, he then implores the media not to do anything - what did he think would happen?
He knew perfectly well - one thing Goodes is not, is stupid.
Every comment for that presser was thought out and considered.
His "war dance " traditional' - not traditional - "cultural"- not cultural - indigenous - made up - whatever it was - scenario was a bit of a fiasco though.
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So is it your position that indigenous Australians must suffer racist abuse in silence because of what the media might do?

Is it also your position that they must consult with their abusers before reacting?

Perhaps Goodes should have asked for her phone number during a break in play so he could give her a ring the next day to clarify her comments?
A child called a grown man a name, oh the suffrage. :rolleyes:
 

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I beg you not to have kids
Thought I'd already dealt with you and up you pop again.

I have two.
And if either of mine said that at the footy I would be the first one marching them out the stadium.

Anything else to add or are you also going to take the personal abuse road rather than making anything resembling a cogent, or even allowing for your previous responses, semi-cogent reply?
 

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Then argue that they are in dispute....
Off you go
Have a crack ...


and good luck with it.
Everything I posted happened.

Up to you to prove it didn't.
Let's say I agree that all happened. So what? What is the point you're making?

Yes, he was called a racist name. Yes, he singled the girl out. Yes, he said the face of racism was a 13 year old girl.

So what?
 

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Then show me where those facts are inaccurate .... or again, is it just easier to attack the poster rather than the argument?

Personal attacks are the refuge of the defeated so take your best shot.
When you limit the "facts" to only those which suit your argument, you open yourself to criticism.

I've done my time with you on the SRP board so I know that you will relentlessly argue until the cows come home, despite the merits or otherwise of your position.

Which is why you are still arguing about the girl 567 pages into the thread.

It's been done to death. Let it go subi.
 

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There was once a great poster named essjayw.
There was once a great poster named essjayw,
whose views on the world, they would trouble you.
Twice the length of the night
would he campaign for what's right,
but the volume of his boos, they did double too.
 

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Then show me where those facts are inaccurate .... or again, is it just easier to attack the poster rather than the argument?

Personal attacks are the refuge of the defeated so take your best shot.
It's been shown why the face of racism was used. It was not the stereotypical racist standing up and yelling abuse, it was a young 13 yo girl mimicking the words of those around her. That's why it was upsetting. That's why it became an issue and a far bigger issue than the person that got evicted from Subiaco 2 weeks ago.
 

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Actually I think your persistent refusal to apply anything but the most jaundiced possible interpretation to Goodes's dealings with the girl, leave Chief little room to go anywhere sensible.
Dispute the facts.
You simply cannot because what happened happened,
And whether you think how he behaved was right is your perpgative.

I, and maybe because I am a mother, feel that very little benefit of any doubt at all was given to the girl in that first 24 hours.

A bit of empathy in that direction I do not believe would go astray.

I'm not saying what she said was anything other than wrong.
My argument is she didn't realise what she was saying and she was made the scapegoat on 3 occasions BEFORE he acknowledged there may have been circumstances that contributed to her making that comment....none of you are giving her ANY benefit of the doubt which I believe is what Goodes failed to do also.
 

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Dispute the facts.
You simply cannot because what happened happened,
And whether you think how he behaved was right is your perpgative.

I, and maybe because I am a mother, feel that very little benefit of any doubt at all was given to the girl in that first 24 hours.

A bit of empathy in that direction I do not believe would go astray.

I'm not saying what she said was anything other than wrong.
My argument is she didn't realise what she was saying and she was made the scapegoat on 3 occasions BEFORE he acknowledged there may have been circumstances that contributed to her making that comment....none of you are giving her ANY benefit of the doubt which I believe is what Goodes failed to do also.
If you want to pick up the phone and apologise, I'll take the call.
 

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Thought I'd already dealt with you and up you pop again.

I have two.
And if either of mine said that at the footy I would be the first one marching them out the stadium.

Anything else to add or are you also going to take the personal abuse road rather than making anything resembling a cogent, or even allowing for your previous responses, semi-cogent reply?
Isn't it boring posting the same crap on every single page of this thread?
 

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i'm sorry, but linking to a waleed aly opinion piece is evidence of nothing, other than the fact waleed aly has an opinion on the matter. and i wouldn't even pay him in dogshit for that.

certainly the people arguing racism have a definite advantage. namely the advantage of not encumbering themselves with facts and evidence. research is time consuming. actual research may mean missing a few deadlines which is unacceptable in this day and age.
 

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Dispute the facts.
You simply cannot because what happened happened,
And whether you think how he behaved was right is your perpgative.

I, and maybe because I am a mother, feel that very little benefit of any doubt at all was given to the girl in that first 24 hours.

A bit of empathy in that direction I do not believe would go astray.

I'm not saying what she said was anything other than wrong.
My argument is she didn't realise what she was saying and she was made the scapegoat on 3 occasions BEFORE he acknowledged there may have been circumstances that contributed to her making that comment....none of you are giving her ANY benefit of the doubt which I believe is what Goodes failed to do also.
Goodes gave her EVERY benefit of the doubt.

The girl made a racist comment. FACT.
Goodes said she made a racist comment. FACT.
Goodes said it wasn't her fault. FACT.
Goodes called on everyone to support her. FACT.
Goodes said that a 13 year old girl calling him a racist slur is an issue. FACT.

Want to deny any of those? Want to deny that it's his right to call a racist slur a racist slur?
 

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i'm sorry, but linking to a waleed aly opinion piece is evidence of nothing, other than the fact waleed aly has an opinion on the matter. and i wouldn't even pay him in dogshit for that.

certainly the people arguing racism have a definite advantage. namely the advantage of not encumbering themselves with facts and evidence. research is time consuming. actual research may mean missing a few deadlines which is unacceptable in this day and age.
But linking to a Dallas Scott opinion piece is the gold standard of insight?
 

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Do you think anyone has had such a sustained and vicious attack from the conservative media? Whatever your political views, you have to admit Miranda Devine has been awful in her attacks on Goodes. Bolt has piled on, of course.
Do you think any player deemed worthy of such sustained boo-ing by the footy public has had so much of the media come to thier defence? Leach, Wilson(s), Nyal, Robbo, The AFL, All club captains, AFL coaches including Buckley and Roos all in support of Goodes. Most claiming that the attacks are based on race, despite being told by those that actually boo that it is for other reasons. FFS "The Age" ran a special edition cover for him, what other unpopular Australian sportsman has had that level of support from the media? Anthony Mundine would be pretty jealous, not to mention Milne.

I would add that both Divine and Bolt say that the booing of Goodes is wrong and should stop, yeah, the "conservative media" sure has it in for Goodes. The booing of Goodes is wrong, but to suggest that the media has given him a hard time is ridiculous.
 

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Not fact. The girl made a comment that was interpreted as racist.
This.

So, Adam Goodes has successfully done an Essendon with the AFL this year. He has hijacked it beautifully.

To be honest, it has left me not wanting to follow AFL anymore. I don't need the AFL to tell me when, who, or where I can boo. It's a public domain and sporting people are performers who should be subject to boos, cheers, jeers and tomatoes. This is not a ruddy nanny state. Piss off AFL and Chris Scott. I'll boo till the cows come home.
 
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