Banter The Adelaide Board Politics/COVID Thread Part 2 (WARNING NOT FOR THE FAINT-HEARTED)

[Cap]

So is Cap, believe it or not

Yes, as per the article provided, most people seem to hold a similar view to me.


Unlike you and your 'mainstream' buddy

 

[adelaidecrows]

Yes, as per the article provided, most people seem to hold a similar view to me.


Unlike you and your 'mainstream' buddy

I'm freedom of choice.

 

[Cap]

I'm freedom of choice.

Me too.

The article was about Latino voters in the US being personally against it, but against it being made illegal. Which is the same position I hold.

60% of Latino voters say U.S. is ‘on the wrong track’ but remain largely ignored by both parties

In a UnidosUS/Mi Familia Vota poll of Hispanic registered voters, abortion was among top issues for the first time ever. Yet only 59% planned to vote in November.

www.google.com

A different article same point.

After the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade over a month ago, 19% of surveyed Latino voters said abortion is now among their top issues, compared to just 3% in 2020.

Of those who listed abortion as an important issue this year, 69% said they worry that abortion bans put women’s lives at risk and 58% are concerned that elected officials could pass laws further restricting women’s reproductive rights, such as making birth control illegal.

Moreover, 76% of surveyed Latino voters believe that no matter what their personal beliefs about abortion are, it is wrong to make abortion illegal and take that choice away, according to the poll.

 

[Maddogmetro]

Yawn.

I’ve taken almost all of the vaccines available in this country, with the exception of flu and Covid.

I did not take the Covid vaccine because I estimated that the risk of me suffering severe disease or going to hospital was extremely low.

I got Covid earlier this year, recovered from it, and was fine.

So I was right. My assessment of my own risk was spot on.

I know you and your goons would prefer that not to be true, but I really don’t know what else to tell you.

I'm not anti vax. I'm just anti THIS vax!

The same argument made by the idiots who perpetuated the view that the MMR vaccine causes autism.

And you still don't get it. It's not about you, the idiot individual. Your single anecdotal case means absolutely ******* nothing. But you'll never get it.

 

[Maddogmetro]

I got 3 jabs at earliest availability but there’s no doubt that the mandates were wrong and forced under false pretences. All your lemming mates in here believed that by getting vaccinated they were saving other people. Whereas the simple fact was always that COVID would rip through a vaccinated, masked and controlled population.

But I bet you still believe that being vaccinated stopped you spreading it. I’d ask for a yes or no answer, but like ADL, you are at least smart enough to know when you’re cornered.

It's funny how much you got wrong in such a brief comment.

While responding to my comment which explained that THE REASON YOU DECIDED YOU GET THE VACCINE IS IRRELEVANT.

And by having a vaccinated population, it literally did save people, in several different ways. If you're too dumb to get that, nobody can help you.

 

[fortunatecrow]

he clearly didn't say he'd be handcuffed the moment he left the white house.

Well I do agree Vader didn't use specifically use the word handcuffs, and I think we all remember poor AOC having to pretend to be handcuffed because the police refused to actually handcuff her, but it's pretty clear what 1970's point was, and you are attempting very precise definitional work to argue that he was wrong.

 

[fortunatecrow]

And the Clinton's didn't go to jail because they did something different.

Edit - I assume you mean Hilary.

Agree, I am not saying that Trump participated in the Clinton's crimes and misdeeds

 

[Cap]

Agree, I am not saying that Trump participated in the Clinton's crimes and misdeeds

Can you elaborate on these crimes and misdeeds?

 

[Cap]

Florida court says teen isn't mature enough to get an abortion

The teen, identified only as Jane Doe 22-B, has no parents.

www.politico.com

A Florida court of appeal this week upheld a decision stating a 16-year-old teen could not get an abortion because she lacked the maturity to make such a decision, even after the parentless teen said she was not ready to have a child and is still in school.

The teen, identified only as Jane Doe 22-B, has no parents but is in the care of Florida’s child welfare agency and has a guardian. She is about 10 weeks pregnant and currently resides with a relative.

This year, Florida’s GOP-led Legislature banned pregnant people from receiving abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest. That law, however, is separate from the parental consent requirement

Nice work Ron D. Let's get those incest babies to work!

Just maybe don't live in Florida if you don't want to have the baby of your rapist.

https://www.flhealthcharts.gov/ChartsReports/rdPage.aspx?rdReport=NonVitalIndNoGrp.DataViewer&cid=9773

But, Vote 1 Ron D still. Clearly a man of the people.

 

[Cap]

Well I do agree Vader didn't use specifically use the word handcuffs, and I think we all remember poor AOC having to pretend to be handcuffed because the police refused to actually handcuff her, but it's pretty clear what 1970's point was, and you are attempting very precise definitional work to argue that he was wrong.

No that's literally what you are trying to do in your typical roundabout way.

I pointed out he used that for dramatic effect which he did.

You've now wasted everyone's time trying to prove he didn't. Your new arguement being words don't count. I mean heck can't go far after that.

Edit - I missed your AOC reference, sorry I don't really follow her. What has she done to upset you?

 

[fortunatecrow]

You've now wasted everyone's time trying to prove he didn't. Your new arguement being words don't count. I mean heck can't go far after that.

Oh man, you get me every time. There I was trying to answer your question with a specific reference to actual words and you shift the goalposts in a way that no-one will notice. You're still the king

 

[fortunatecrow]

Can you elaborate on these crimes and misdeeds?

Clinton Scandals: A Guide From Whitewater To The Clinton Foundation

Donald Trump has promised to deliver a speech this week that will address Bill and Hillary Clinton's scandals. Here's a breakdown of those scandals and their outcomes.

www.npr.org

 

[Cap]

Oh man, you get me every time. There I was trying to answer your question with a specific reference to actual words and you shift the goalposts in a way that no-one will notice. You're still the king

The goal posts didn't move. 1970 literally added handcuffs for dramatic effect.

You simply tried to make a point that wasn't there.

You could have stopped at any point.

Edit



1970Crow

I know you’re new here, and welcome BTW, but we were reliably told that the only reading he challenged the election outcome was because he was 100% going to be handcuffed upon he’s big the Whitehouse grounds. And numerous other going to jail certainties.

Me

I don't think anyone suggested what you have said, I'll assume you said it for dramatic effect

Your evidence of someone saying Trumps going to he led from the White house in handcuffs.

There is no doubt that a sealed indictment exists, with Donald Trump's name on it. Trump cannot be charged with Federal crimes while he remains in office. However, he can be charged as soon as his term expires.

Given that Cohen has already been charged, pleaded guilty, and been sent to prison, there is very little doubt that a similar fate (barring the guilty plea) awaits Trump as soon as he is no longer President.

Nothing about being led from the white house, nothing about handcuffs.

A reasonably good prediction that the guy is going to be facing jail term, given what we can all clearly see going on (although I don't agree that he'll end up in Jail.)

Although I do agree with the premise that he wanted to stay in power to avoid court on other issues, that would be very Donald Trump.

 

[Cap]

Clinton Scandals: A Guide From Whitewater To The Clinton Foundation

Donald Trump has promised to deliver a speech this week that will address Bill and Hillary Clinton's scandals. Here's a breakdown of those scandals and their outcomes.

www.npr.org

Thanks.

 

[Slippery Pete]

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Media bias charts. Cap loves to quote all the left leaning sights. A few that have been rated as leans left imho are extreme left. NYT, Politico,NPR, The Guardian is Pravda 100%. I like its sport section though. The NYT is as far left as it goes. They were actually once accused of denying the Holocaust happened. They have never endorsed a Republican regardless. Yahoo might be closer to the center. I mostly always like Reuters, The Hill, WSJ and BBC

 

[Slippery Pete]

I'm not anti vax. I'm just anti THIS vax!

So by your logic everyone who doesn’t get a flu vax is anti-vax.

That’s a lot of anti-vaxxers. Over half the country!

And you still don't get it. It's not about you, the idiot individual. Your single anecdotal case means absolutely ******* nothing. But you'll never get it.

Yes I’m well aware you have no time for individual cases by how you dismiss and gaslight people who’ve experienced life-changing adverse reactions from the Covid vaccine.

Just collateral damage to you, right? Just anecdotal idiots, the lot of them.

 

[Cap]

Give that man credit, he knows the Truggers to get Trump conspiracy theorists going

DeSantis wants Jan 6 hearings to get Trump indicted, report claims

‘Ron DeSantis is lying in wait, sharpening his knives,’ GOP donor says

www.independent.co.uk

Looking forward to his presidential bid.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Give that man credit, he knows the Truggers to get Trump conspiracy theorists going

DeSantis wants Jan 6 hearings to get Trump indicted, report claims

‘Ron DeSantis is lying in wait, sharpening his knives,’ GOP donor says

www.independent.co.uk

Looking forward to his presidential bid.

Paywalled.

You got access? Copy and paste here if you can

 

[Cap]

Media bias charts. Cap loves to quote all the left leaning sights. A few that have been rated as leans left imho are extreme left. NYT, Politico,NPR, The Guardian is Pravda 100%. I like its sport section though. The NYT is as far left as it goes. They were actually once accused of denying the Holocaust happened. They have never endorsed a Republican regardless. Yahoo might be closer to the center. I mostly always like Reuters, The Hill, WSJ and BBC

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Yes, people who are far right generally see most things as left or left leaning. That's not new.

I provide links to sites that aren't paywalled (or try to) l, not that anyone reads them anyway I guess.

It's interesting they have AP as left leaning, most sites have it as centralist.

 

[Cap]

Paywalled.

You got access? Copy and paste here if you can

DeSantis wants Jan 6 hearings to get Trump indicted, report claims
‘Ron DeSantis is lying in wait, sharpening his knives,’ GOP donor says

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Monday 27 June 2022 17:52
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Ron Desantis sees the January 6 hearings as a possible way for former President Donald Trump to be indicted, according to a report.

A Republican consultant told Politico over the weekend: “That’s where his head is at. He thinks the goal here is to get main justice to go after him.”

“That’s what Ron thinks this is all about,” the consultant, said to be familiar with the governor’s thinking, told the outlet.

But the consultant added that Mr DeSantis is more focused on winning reelection in Florida by a larger margin than the 3.2 points that Mr Trump won the state by in the 2020 election.

The governor, a strong favourite to win another term as governor later this year, is set to break state-level fundraising records in Florida.

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The outlet previously reported that Mr DeSantis isn’t intending to seek Mr Trump’s endorsement for his reelection, despite him aiding his political rise.

“A five-point win, and I think he would be off to the races,” the consultant told Politico. “January 6 or not, the fact that he is not seeking Trump’s endorsement I think says everything you need to know.”

The Independent has reached out to the office of Mr DeSantis for comment.

Republican operatives are increasingly admitting that Mr Trump is being damaged by the committee hearings, even if it’s not yet fatal.

While the strategists say Republican voters still like Mr Trump and don’t trust the committee and its findings, some voters, including some donors and activists, are growing tired and becoming less inclined to allow the legacy of the Trump presidency to make the future of the party more difficult.

GOP donor Dan Eberhart told Politico that “Trump is facing an important onslaught of negative facts with these hearings and there is no real defense. He has no friendly members on the committee and there aren’t facts to put in front of the public to make any of this sound less bad”.

“Ron DeSantis is lying in wait, sharpening his knives,” he added.

A DeSantis advisor told the outlet that “the January 6 hearings are [a] continuation of the exhausting circus that surrounds Trump”.

“There are of course the lunchbox Republicans who think this is a ‘mass conspiracy,’ but among the donor class many are just tired of this,” the advisor said. “It’s a shitshow – Some donors are getting sick of the shitshow.”

Former Trump White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon, who was charged with contempt last year after not complying with a subpoena from the committee, said he doesn’t believe the hearings are hurting Mr Trump because “The only Republicans watching, if at all, are hardcore ‘never Trumpers’”.

He said if Republicans take back the House, they will likely hold their own hearings to “set out all the facts”.

But Mr Trump appears to be worried about the hearings and their effect on his fortunes.

“We have nobody on that panel who can fight back,” he told conservative radio host Wayne Allyn Root. “In a way, the Republicans should be ashamed of themselves.”

A former advisor to Mr Trump also told Politico that the former president is “thinking about it optically and not politically. Optically it’s not great to have a committee without any pushback. Politically the base and the party are going to be with him — and it might sway some moderates. He really believes that the economy is what people are going to focus on”.

Moderate GOP strategist Sarah Longwell said she has noticed a change when she conducts focus groups.

The anti-Trump Republican said that people who have voted for the former president disagree on if he should run again and in the last two focus groups following the beginning of the hearings, no one has said that they would want Mr Trump to be on the ticket in 2024.

“With January 6 they’re on Trump’s side, but they’re also exhausted by it. It creates that sense of wanting to move on. The question is whether that sticks. I’ve seen it before when Trump’s baggage is out there they get annoyed about having to defend it, they drift away and then come back,” Ms Longwell told the publication.

But Trump allies think his supporters will come back to him, as they have after previous crises.

Trump pollster John McLaughlin told Politico that “you’re antagonizing his supporters at a time when — some people are so impacted by inflation they can’t make ends meet”.



“If Congress wants to focus on a partisan kangaroo court and indict a president that [his supporters] think was successful at keeping America strong and had a better economy? They’re going to revolt — not a violent revolt but at the ballot box,” he said.

Edit 'tried to tidy it up, one of the few sites I haven't exceed free limits it seems.

 

[Maddogmetro]

So by your logic everyone who doesn’t get a flu vax is anti-vax.

That’s a lot of anti-vaxxers. Over half the country!



Yes I’m well aware you have no time for individual cases by how you dismiss and gaslight people who’ve experienced life-changing adverse reactions from the Covid vaccine.

Just collateral damage to you, right? Just anecdotal idiots, the lot of them.

I don't see people claiming that the flu vaccine doesn't work, or that it is causing generational harm to people. Another classic Slippery move to attempt to compare completely different situations.

And then trying to use emotion to get around the fact that anecdotal evidence (often self-diagnosed) is not good evidence. It doesn't matter what you say. It doesn't matter how much outrage you pretend to have. That is a fact.

 

[ADL9798]

Aside from the fact this is a politics thread, and LBGTwhatever is a political issue… My priorities are always to put children first, whether it’s safeguarding them from some psycho Adelaide mother, groomers who want to chemically castrate them (not naming any names mate…) or governments who want to mask them and lock them in their homes for two years.

If child welfare was actually your primary concern here, I have to say I’d expect a little more variety, maybe occasionally throwing an opposite-sex couple story into your daily rants on the subject.

But it is the gold standard all other things being equal. Do you not agree?

Take your time on that question. It’ll be a hard one for you, I know.

FactCheck: are children ‘better off’ with a mother and father than with same-sex parents?

Discussing his opposition to same-sex marriage, Liberal MP Kevin Andrews said children who are brought up with a mother and father are ‘better off than those who are not’. Let’s look at the research.

theconversation.com

^Good article covering the literature including a few systematic reviews on the subject.

"This research supports the importance of family stability, quality relationships between parents and children, and the need for access to socioeconomic resources – but not the need for parents to be heterosexual."

As I said, good parents are good parents and bad parents are bad parents wherever you sit on the sexuality spectrum.

All else being equal, there's currently no evidence that children raised by same-sex couples fare worse than children raised by opposite-sex couples on a range of social, emotional, health and academic outcomes. I do think it's important that kids have positive male and female role models but this doesn't necessarily need to be provided by the parents. Clearly in some families (same sex and opposite sex couples alike) the parents are terrible role models for a variety of reasons. Grandparents, uncles, aunties etc all have important roles to play here.

The only negative impacts on health and wellbeing among kids of same sex parents reported across any of these studies were related to the discrimination they receive from bigoted dickheads who for some bizarre reason are triggered into a frenzy by the mere existence of these people. Something to think about.

https://www.mja.com.au/system/files/issues/207_09/10.5694mja17.00943.pdf

 

[Vader]

The point being discussed was Trump going to jail: #5,094

Vader said:

"Given that Cohen has already been charged, pleaded guilty, and been sent to prison, there is very little doubt that a similar fate (barring the guilty plea) awaits Trump as soon as he is no longer President."

That clearly didn't happen. Trump is not in prison.

The DOJ's failure to charge & prosecute him for that case, where his co-conspirators have already served time, is completely inexplicable. All I can put it down to is optics - not wanting to charge an ex-President.

 

[Cap]

The DOJ's failure to charge & prosecute him for that case, where his co-conspirators have already served time, is completely inexplicable. All I can put it down to is optics - not wanting to charge an ex-President.

I think you need to give it time.

If De Santis smells blood, someone is surely injured.