Analysis The Adelaide Crows Stats Thread

[Allefgib]

I believe players are rated by the last 40 games, walker being injured would have a lot of zeros in there, 40 games after his injury, you will see his real ranking.

Not just that - games over 31 decrease by 10% of value per game.
Eg game 32 only worth 90% of its value. Game 40 only worth 10%

 

[AFC979810]

Beat Hawthorn at home in R12 and we end a streak of four consecutive losses

Jeez - we are close. 3 of the last 4 have been under 2 goals. Here is hoping we can finally get over the line.

 

[Danoz]

Not sure if we want or need this, but seeing as I'm the self proclaimed Statman, I decided to do it anyway. I'll update our stats every week.

Some interesting team stats;

• 1.7:1 kick/handball ratio easily highest in AFL
• Drop down to 15th in disp eff after the wet on Saturday
• Jumped from 16th to 3rd in hitouts in one week. Lots of stoppages
• 12 rushed behinds already in three games, perhaps suggests our f50 entries aren't too great.

Crows Stats| Total| Average| Rank| Compare To Mean| Compare To Opp| Opp Total| Opp Average
\Kicks| 707| 235.7| 1| +30.1| +53.3| 547| 182.3|
\Handballs| 410| 136.7| 16| -20.1| -13.3| 450| 150|
\Kick-Handball Ratio| 1.7| | 1| +0.4| +0.5| 1.2| |
\Disposals| 1117| 372.3| 7| +10| +40| 997| 332.3|
\Cont Poss| 444| 148| 4| +9.1| +3.3| 434| 144.7|
\Uncont Poss| 654| 218| 11| -4.4| +38.3| 539| 179.7|
\Disp eff %| 69.5%| | 15| -3| -10| 64.8%| |
\Clangers| 143| 47.7| 10| 0| -3.3| 153| 51|
\Marks| 299| 99.7| 5| +11.6| +39.3| 181| 60.3|
\Cont marks| 28| 9.3| 9| -0.5| 0| 28| 9.3|
\Marks50| 44| 14.7| 4| +5.3| +7| 23| 7.7|
\Hit-outs| 136| 45.3| 3| +3.7| -1.7| 141| 47|
\Clearances| 139| 46.3| 3| +7.7| +11| 106| 35.3|
\Centre clr| 41| 13.7| 5| +1.2| +3.7| 30| 10|
\Stoppages| 98| 32.7| 3| +6.5| +7.3| 76| 25.3|
\Rebound50| 104| 34.7| 14| -3.9| -2.7| 112| 37.3|
\Frees For| 55| 18.3| 10| -1.4| +2| 49| 16.3|
\Frees Agst| 49| 16.3| 2| -3.2| -2| 55| 18.3|
\Tackles| 233| 77.7| 1| +14.4| +11.7| 198| 66|
\One %s| 138| 46| 8| +2| +4| 126| 42|
\Bounces| 27| 9| 8| -0.3| +1.7| 22| 7.3|
\Inside50| 175| 58.3| 3| +7.1| +14| 133| 44.3|
\Goals| 45| 15| 3| +2.7| +6.7| 25| 8.3|
\Behinds| 40| 13.3| 4| +2.3| +5| 25| 8.3|
\Total Score| 310| 103.3| 2| +18.7| +45| 175| 58.3|
\Rushed Behinds| 12| 4| | | |
\Goal assists| 35| 11.7| 2| +3.1| +6.3| 16| 5.3|
\Goal acc %| 52.9%| | 11| +0.2| +2.9| 50%| |
\Goal acc % excl rushed| 61.6%| | | | | | |
\Interchanges| 312| 104| 14| -0.9| | | |

Some interesting player stats;

• Danger is ranked only third for clearances this season, CEY and Thommo both ready to pass by shortly. Playing more outside?
• Our four worst for clangers are Dougy with 14, Rory, Danger and Tex all with 11
  
• Our kicking for goal is 61.6% when you exclude rushed behinds
• Included Exie points for Footypie32

Rank| Kicks |#| Handballs |#| Disposals |#| Cont Poss |#
\1| Richard Douglas |54| Rory Sloane |41| Rory Sloane |87| Rory Sloane |48|
\2| Matthew Jaensch |49| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |29| Richard Douglas |79| Patrick Dangerfield |40|
\3| Rory Sloane |46| Patrick Dangerfield |28| Patrick Dangerfield |70| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |34|
\4| Brodie Smith |46| Rory Laird |26| Brodie Smith |69| Richard Douglas |33|
\5| Patrick Dangerfield |42| Richard Douglas |25| Matthew Jaensch |59| Brodie Smith |29|
\6| Taylor Walker |41| Daniel Talia |24| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |59| Eddie Betts |22|
\7| Ricky Henderson |40| Brodie Smith |23| Rory Laird |56| Kyle Hartigan |19|
\8| Tom Lynch |36| Kyle Hartigan |23| Ricky Henderson |53| Rory Laird |19|
\9| Eddie Betts |33| Sam Jacobs |20| Daniel Talia |53| Scott Thompson |19|
\10| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |30| David Mackay |18| Tom Lynch |52| David Mackay |18

Rank| Uncont Poss |#| Disp eff % |#| Clangers |#| Marks |#
\1| Richard Douglas |44| Kyle Cheney |89.8| Richard Douglas |14| Taylor Walker |27|
\2| Rory Sloane |43| Luke Brown |87| Rory Sloane |11| Matthew Jaensch |26|
\3| Matthew Jaensch |43| Rory Laird |80.6| Patrick Dangerfield |11| Tom Lynch |20|
\4| Rory Laird |39| Sam Jacobs |79.6| Taylor Walker |11| Kyle Hartigan |19|
\5| Tom Lynch |37| Daniel Talia |79.4| Brodie Smith |9| Rory Sloane |18|
\6| Brodie Smith |36| Matthew Jaensch |79| Daniel Talia |8| Sam Jacobs |18|
\7| Taylor Walker |36| David Mackay |78.1| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |8| Rory Laird |17|
\8| Ricky Henderson |35| Nathan Van Berlo |77.4| Charlie Cameron |7| Brodie Smith |13|
\9| Daniel Talia |33| Kyle Hartigan |76.5| David Mackay |6| Daniel Talia |13|
\10| Patrick Dangerfield |31| Jake Kelly |71.4| Matthew Wright |6| Kyle Cheney |13

Rank| Cont marks |#| Marks50 |#| Hit-outs |#| Clearances |#
\1| Sam Jacobs |4| Taylor Walker |16| Sam Jacobs |113| Rory Sloane |22|
\2| Tom Lynch |4| Josh Jenkins |7| Josh Jenkins |15| Richard Douglas |20|
\3| Taylor Walker |4| Tom Lynch |5| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |3| Patrick Dangerfield |16|
\4| Kyle Cheney |3| Rory Sloane |3| Patrick Dangerfield |2| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |15|
\5| Patrick Dangerfield |2| Patrick Dangerfield |3| Rory Sloane |1| Scott Thompson |11|
\6| Brodie Smith |2| Eddie Betts |3| Richard Douglas |1| Brodie Smith |10|
\7| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |2| Charlie Cameron |2| Nathan Van Berlo |1| Nathan Van Berlo |8|
\8| Nathan Van Berlo |2| Richard Douglas |1| || Eddie Betts |6|
\9| Rory Sloane |1| Rory Laird |1| || David Mackay |6|
\10| Matthew Jaensch |0| Jake Kelly |0| || Daniel Talia |0

Rank| Centre clr |#| Stoppages |#| Rebound50 |#| Frees For |#
\1| Patrick Dangerfield |8| Rory Sloane |17| Ricky Henderson |11| Rory Sloane |7|
\2| Richard Douglas |7| Richard Douglas |13| David Mackay |11| Kyle Hartigan |4|
\3| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |7| Brodie Smith |9| Matthew Jaensch |10| David Mackay |4|
\4| Rory Sloane |5| Patrick Dangerfield |8| Kyle Hartigan |8| Brodie Smith |3|
\5| Eddie Betts |4| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |8| Brodie Smith |7| Daniel Talia |3|
\6| Scott Thompson |3| Scott Thompson |8| Richard Douglas |6| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |3|
\7| Jarryd Lyons |2| Nathan Van Berlo |8| Daniel Talia |6| Sam Jacobs |3|
\8| Brodie Smith |1| David Mackay |6| Rory Laird |6| Rory Laird |3|
\9| Sam Jacobs |1| Matthew Wright |4| Kyle Cheney |5| Scott Thompson |3|
\10| Tom Lynch |0| Daniel Talia |0| Josh Jenkins |0| Mitch Grigg |0

Rank| Frees Agst |#| Tackles |#| One %s |#| Bounces |#
\1| Patrick Dangerfield |7| Nathan Van Berlo |20| Daniel Talia |21| Rory Sloane |6|
\2| Richard Douglas |5| Rory Sloane |19| Sam Jacobs |13| Brodie Smith |6|
\3| Rory Sloane |4| David Mackay |19| Matthew Jaensch |9| Eddie Betts |6|
\4| Brodie Smith |3| Patrick Dangerfield |16| Rory Laird |9| Luke Brown |2|
\5| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |3| Richard Douglas |16| Rory Sloane |8| Matthew Jaensch |1|
\6| Rory Laird |3| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |15| Patrick Dangerfield |8| Ricky Henderson |1|
\7| Taylor Walker |3| Eddie Betts |15| Ricky Henderson |8| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |1|
\8| Matthew Wright |3| Scott Thompson |11| Kyle Hartigan |7| Tom Lynch |1|
\9| Matthew Jaensch |2| Brodie Smith |10| Kyle Cheney |7| Taylor Walker |1|
\10| Daniel Talia |2| Jake Kelly |10| Richard Douglas |6| Kyle Cheney |1

Rank| Inside50 |#| Goals |#| Behinds |#| Goal assists |#
\1| Brodie Smith |17| Taylor Walker |11| Taylor Walker |8| Richard Douglas |5|
\2| Patrick Dangerfield |15| Eddie Betts |6| Patrick Dangerfield |4| Eddie Betts |5|
\3| Ricky Henderson |15| Josh Jenkins |5| Charlie Cameron |4| Patrick Dangerfield |3|
\4| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |14| Patrick Dangerfield |4| Tom Lynch |3| Tom Lynch |3|
\5| Richard Douglas |13| Tom Lynch |4| Josh Jenkins |3| Taylor Walker |3|
\6| Rory Sloane |11| Brodie Smith |3| Brodie Smith |2| Rory Sloane |2|
\7| Tom Lynch |11| Charlie Cameron |3| Eddie Betts |2| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |2|
\8| Taylor Walker |9| Rory Sloane |2| Rory Sloane |1| Nathan Van Berlo |2|
\9| Eddie Betts |9| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |2| Rory Laird |1| Luke Brown |2|
\10| Charlie Cameron |9| Richard Douglas |1| || Josh Jenkins |2

Rank| Goal acc % |#| Time On Ground % |#| AFL Fantasy |# Exie |#
\1| Richard Douglas |100| Scott Thompson |115| Rory Sloane |359| Rory Sloane |429|
\2| Cam Ellis-Yolmen |100| Kyle Hartigan |99.7| Taylor Walker |305| Taylor Walker |390|
\3| Nathan Van Berlo |100| Tom Lynch |96.7| Richard Douglas |302| Richard Douglas |348|
\4| Luke Brown |100| Daniel Talia |96| Sam Jacobs |296| Sam Jacobs |341|
\5| David Mackay |100| Kyle Cheney |93.5| Patrick Dangerfield |278| Patrick Dangerfield |325|
\6| Eddie Betts |75| Taylor Walker |93.3| Brodie Smith |277| Brodie Smith |325|
\7| Rory Sloane |66.7| Nathan Van Berlo |93.3| Eddie Betts |265| Eddie Betts |320|
\8| Josh Jenkins |62.5| Eddie Betts |93.3| Matthew Jaensch |256| Matthew Jaensch |315|
\9| Brodie Smith |60| Patrick Dangerfield |84| Tom Lynch |248| Tom Lynch |303|
\10| Taylor Walker |57.9| Sam Jacobs |83.3| David Mackay |239| David Mackay |290

UPDATED POST RD 3

Quoted for truth.

 

[Danoz]

OP updated.

 

[smoovy]

Scott Thompson has spent 101.5% of his time on the ground. No wonder he racks them up.

 

[Bosley]

Scott Thompson has spent 101.5% of his time on the ground. No wonder he racks them up.

He is one player who really gives 110%.

 

[Mattrox]

I believe players are rated by the last 40 games, walker being injured would have a lot of zeros in there, 40 games after his injury, you will see his real ranking.

"And the Official AFL Player Ratings are based on a player's past 40 games, which delivers a long-term view of a player's standing within the AFL."

I read that to mean that they are based on the last 40 games they have played. I don't think a missed game is zero. If a player misses a game their rating stays the same and others move up or down around him based on their performances.

Tex has had 2 games where his rating score was poor. One negative and one really low. These off games significantly affect his overall score.

 

[twarby]

Good thread. Keep it coming.

Any chance of a 'ground ball' stat?
And the 'transition' stat that Walshy does his calendar around? I must to using a combined stat of i50 + r50's when picking some players for the offseason draft game. I love types who have a high combined total for my HBF's, wingers (and to a lesser degree mids and HFFs). I was super pumped to hear Walshy talk about it as the two ladders on his desk. (Admittedly my data and the easy data you can pull together doesn't show the r50's that lead to i50's... not sure you could get your hands on that without a club based subscription to champion data!)

I believe it was ground ball + loose ball in the article, but I highlighted in another thread how misleading it was and wasn't a true sign of success, anyway through four rounds you rank 10th for differential for these two at +7, Collingwood lead with +54, Essendon last at -69

transition stat/speed, you've moved the ball from defensive 50 to your forward 50 31/149 times (20.8%) that is 9th best conversion but you're doing it the 5th fastest, you are 5th on the defensive side at 17.9%

 

[twarby]

Thanks CD, is there a way for the average punter to see these stats?

no

 

[Danoz]

I believe it was ground ball + loose ball in the article, but I highlighted in another thread how misleading it was and wasn't a true sign of success, anyway through four rounds you rank 10th for differential for these two at +7, Collingwood lead with +54, Essendon last at -69

transition stat/speed, you've moved the ball from defensive 50 to your forward 50 31/149 times (20.8%) that is 9th best conversion but you're doing it the 5th fastest, you are 5th on the defensive side at 17.9%

Where do you access these stats?

 

[ClarkeM]

Hey Dan, what do you mean in your last table: Scott Thompson at 101.5% of time on ground?

 

[twarby]

Where do you access these stats?

know a guy who knows a guy who knows another guy

 

[Danoz]

Hey Dan, what do you mean in your last table: Scott Thompson at 101.5% of time on ground?

It's funny, I specifically addressed that in the OP update

TOG% appears to have been recorded incorrectly for the Crows v Demons match with three players in each side recording more than 100% TOG http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=5984&advv=Y

 

[Mattrox]

It's funny, I specifically addressed that in the OP update

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2015/011120150418.html

It is wrong on AFL tables too. Must be a CD problem.

 

[Danoz]

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2015/011120150418.html

It is wrong on AFL tables too. Must be a CD problem.

Yep. I get the stats from the AFL.com.au stats page. Also wrong.

 

[footy4ever]

Yep. I get the stats from the AFL.com.au stats page. Also wrong.

How are you supposed to pwn someone with stats on the interwebs if the AFL stats aren't doin it rite!?

 

[Allefgib]

"And the Official AFL Player Ratings are based on a player's past 40 games, which delivers a long-term view of a player's standing within the AFL."

I read that to mean that they are based on the last 40 games they have played. I don't think a missed game is zero. If a player misses a game their rating stays the same and others move up or down around him based on their performances.

Tex has had 2 games where his rating score was poor. One negative and one really low. These off games significantly affect his overall score.

It is within a two year window or something though. So time off will impact after a certain number of games. As it should.
I'll have to double check but its their last 40 games in a 2 year rolling window or something. As I've said elsewhere.. games 31 to 40 also reduce their contribution to overall rating score by 10% per game. Game 40 only contributes 10% of its actual value to the total which means the more recent the game is the more relevant its going to be.

 

[Allefgib]

I believe it was ground ball + loose ball in the article, but I highlighted in another thread how misleading it was and wasn't a true sign of success, anyway through four rounds you rank 10th for differential for these two at +7, Collingwood lead with +54, Essendon last at -69

transition stat/speed, you've moved the ball from defensive 50 to your forward 50 31/149 times (20.8%) that is 9th best conversion but you're doing it the 5th fastest, you are 5th on the defensive side at 17.9%

Cheers mate - i assume you mean its loose ball + hard ball?

 

[ClarkeM]

It's funny, I specifically addressed that in the OP update

I didn't read that, just was interested with your stats. No worries, thanks.

 

[Danoz]

I didn't read that, just was interested with your stats. No worries, thanks.

I tweeted CD to see if there's an issue.

 

[Allefgib]

On the AFL player ratings...

A player's rating is determined by aggregating his points tally based on a rolling window of the previous two seasons. For example, after round six of the 2014 season, a player's rating will be based on matches from round seven of the 2012 season onwards. However, only a player's most recent 40 matches are used in the calculation of his rating. This creates a buffer for players missing matches through injury, suspension, omission or by not being involved in finals. A player's most recent 20 matches are given greater weight in determining his rating. Matches 21 through 40 are progressively reduced in weighting, from 100 per cent down to five per cent for the earliest game in the window.


I'm 99% sure they've changed that. I reckon used to be 31 to 40 on a 10% taper per game. Not 21 to 40 on a 5% taper.

So if we look at Tex. Currently 349th best player in the comp. Using the above guideline only games from round 5 of 2013 onwards would be captured in the rolling window of the past two seasons. His eligible games from that are:
2013 - rd5. When he did his knee (earlyish in the game as well).
2014 - rd9-23. 15 games.
2015 - rd1-4. Another 4 games.

So at present he's only got 20 games out of 40 to count towards his score of 207.3. Sure they start tapering off from game 21 onwards..
Games 21 to 40 are worth 10.5 games once you factor in the tapering off.
Assuming he performs at a consistent level going forward making up those extra games would put his 'score' at 316 and change.
Putting him just better than Pods as a KPF... and fractionally worse off than Tippett.
(Puts him about 200+ competition wide).

Clearly we'd expect better performance than the games in the mix for what he is currently rated on - but will be interesting to see by how much!

 

[Danoz]

Assuming he performs at a consistent level going forward making up those extra games would put his 'score' at 316 and change.

Also worth remembering it takes a year to regain confidence and get back to 100%. His 'score' will be effected for the next 2 years at least, IMO.

 

[twarby]

Cheers mate - i assume you mean its loose ball + hard ball?

loose ball + ground ball

 

[Danoz]

loose ball + ground ball

So ground ball is loose ball and ground ball? Think you're confusing yourself.

 

[Allefgib]

Also worth remembering it takes a year to regain confidence and get back to 100%. His 'score' will be effected for the next 2 years at least, IMO.

Agreed.

Fyi braddy crouch looks similar despite the high stats. Touch of the thommos...