Roast The AFL aren't taking concussion and head trauma seriously enough. Lalor/Ginbey incident.

[bzparkes]

I'm not advocating anything. I'm saying thats the way the AFL works - they'll wait to see if theres outrage (mainly from the media) - if there is, then they'll act. What Christian says and what the BF poll says is irrelevant. Not sure which bit you are disagreeing with -
A - the BF poll is just a bunch of nobodies with biased opinions
B - Michael Christian is a muppet or
C - that the AFL is driven by media/public opinion

None of those things should have any involvement/influence on decision making regarding whether a player is cited or not, least of all agenda-driven Vic media.

 

[G String]

None of those things should have any involvement/influence on decision making regarding whether a player is cited or not, least of all agenda-driven Vic media.

100%

 

[jannissary]

A lot of you people are being a bit hard on Aristotle Pickett I think.
I mean, he's only interested in protecting head injuries.

BTW, just saw one of his posts in the Noah Balta assault charge thread.
As you can see, it's ok to smack the snot out of someone.
As long as you're a Richmond player that is.

So all good.

On Jan 2, 2025 Aristotle Pickett said:

He snotted a 27yo male at the Mulwala Water Ski Club in NSW.

Reading between the lines, some guy has put women and children in danger by boating too close to people. Noah has had a word to him, the guy has attacked Noah and Noah has snotted him.
So all good.

mental gymnastics from AP? what a surprise!

 

[stallon]

Yeah thats a fair point. Its either really dumb or a dog act. Either way I think the AFL will be backed into a corner on this type of action - as they were with sling tackles.

Or it was an accident in a situation where Ginbey doesn't actually have full control of where Lalor goes, as they're both jostling while running?

 

[VicBased]

I'm not advocating anything. I'm saying thats the way the AFL works - they'll wait to see if theres outrage (mainly from the media) - if there is, then they'll act. What Christian says and what the BF poll says is irrelevant. Not sure which bit you are disagreeing with -
A - the BF poll is just a bunch of nobodies with biased opinions
B - Michael Christian is a muppet or
C - that the AFL is driven by media/public opinion

This will not be heard of again. The AFL, the MRO and the majority of footy critics have already moved on.
The only people struggling are the Richmond supporters.
Even AP seems to have finally shut up.

 

[Farang83150]

The flogs are wishing for Daicos to get injured tonight in their game day thread. They’re hypocrites

Unfortunately it's not surprising coming from them.

 

[Obeanie1]

Time will tell but I agree with the ex-AFL players and journos who say that the AFL have dropped the ball on this one.

Lloyd and who?

Click bait chasing journos is pretty much all you are resting on there,

The vast majority, the AFL and MRP dont agree.

So your veiw is the minority veiw. As it should be.

 

[Obeanie1]

I wasn't specifically talking about Ginbey. I was talking about how the AFL accepts actions that have a high probability of causing the player to lead with their head into other players at speed and with low control.

Ginbey did something illegal and got a free kick against him. Right now what he did, and what Hopper did last year, are likely free kicks, but nothing more.

The point I am making is simply that given the importance of protecting the head this sort of thing is fairly easy to make rules about. Too hard for the AFL. But they make wholesale changes to the game to force a certain style of play. Just shows what they really care about.


PS. A rule that stated that a forcible push in the back to a play that forces them into a dangerous contact situation is easy to write and fairly easy to adjudicate. Much easier than an actual push in the back free kick.

Its a combative contact sport played at high pace and with 360 degree play.

Sometimes spoils, tackles, bumps and collisions result in injury. Plenty of examples of players inadvertently getting injured and receiving a free but no suspensions.

The MRP basically say the action was a football act and the playwr had no other alternative (and no not tackling or competing isnt a realistic option) however a free was paid.

And then when a 3rd player is involved running back with the ball and jumping to mark that then complicates matters. It gets extremely difficult to confidently / reasonably lay blame and penaltise the player. Even if a free is paid.

Fine line between a push in the side and a push in the back. Plenty of umpires get that wrong every game.

 

[Dr Tigris]

If you can have a rule for kicking in danger you can definitely have one that covers dangerous pushes.

Absolutely.

But does it 'speed the game up', and 'lead to more scoring' like the stand rule?

 

[krustyman]

pushing someone in front of a moving train is ok by afl standards

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

pushing someone in front of a moving train is ok by alf standards

So is eating cats

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Starcevich the latest victim in a marking contest of the concussion promoting MRO.

This one a bit different though with the Crows player just protecting the drop of the ball, Starcevich not moving at high speed, the action was a legal bump, and the Crows player tried to mark it. Probably no broken jaw either.

Still, Christian & Mahoney can gagf.

 

[Farang83150]

Where's the richmond outrage?

 

[amazingjoshy]

This one a bit different though with the Crows player just protecting the drop of the ball, Starcevich not moving at high speed, the action was a legal bump, and the Crows player tried to mark it. Probably no broken jaw either.

It's much easier to just say he's not the Tigers number 1 draft pick so play on this time

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Cue the Tigers outrage, oh wait…

 

[bzparkes]

Oh, a non-Vic nobody playing for an interstate club?

 

[tiger_tough]

Where's the richmond outrage?

Richmond wasn't playing bruzz

 

[PetterdHoisted]

watch the CFL have an epiphany after the Starcevich incident

now they will 'feel the need to do something', as it is not a Richmond player

disgraceful

 

[Mr Meow]

watch the CFL have an epiphany after the Starcevich incident

now they will 'feel the need to do something', as it is not a Richmond player

disgraceful

You're like a cartoon character.

 

[bzparkes]

watch the CFL have an epiphany after the Starcevich incident

now they will 'feel the need to do something', as it is not a Richmond player

disgraceful

How quiet this thread is due to Starcevich not being a high draft pick playing for a big Melbourne club should give you all the info you need.

Lloyd/Whateley come out and said Curtin should be suspended yet?

 

[PetterdHoisted]

How quiet this thread is due to Starcevich not being a high draft pick playing for a big Melbourne club should give you all the info you need.

Lloyd/Whateley come out and said Curtin should be suspended yet?

Let's see how many more incidents need to happen before the CFL actually takes action.

As Pierik said, it's not just for Lalor, or Starcevich, but for their families too.

The families will be the ones that have to live with irreversible brain changes of these players in the future.

 

[bzparkes]

Let's see how many more incidents need to happen before the CFL actually takes action.

As Pierik said, it's not just for Lalor, or Starcevich, but for their families too.

The families will be the ones that have to live with irreversible brain changes of these players in the future.

A couple of things:

1-
The Starcevich incident proves that Ginbey on Lalor was nothing but faux outrage, otherwise it'd be an even bigger story. I don't even see it anywhere in the news cycle, so that proves what was said about Ginbey on Lalor, that the only reason it garnered so much attention was because Lalor's the #1 pick for a big Melbourne club.

2-
Players sign up to play a contact sport. It's inevitable that a head injury will occur at some point, despite the attempts to minimise the risk. Players aren't forced to be professional sports people, they do it out of choice, so trying to make some emotional 'family' appeal is ridiculous because they seem all too willing to accept the financial gains from their family member playing a contact sport at the risk of serious injury.

Don't like the risk? Find a different career.

 

[Rich01]

How quiet this thread is due to Starcevich not being a high draft pick playing for a big Melbourne club should give you all the info you need.

Lloyd/Whateley come out and said Curtin should be suspended yet?

Why should they?

The precedent on this type of act was set last week from the MRO when Ginbey had no case to answer. This should be no different.

I’m not a fan of players pushing others into contests, but I’m also for the MRO being consistent in reviewing and assessing similar actions.

The AFL has made its call on this action and signalled to players the penalty for it is just a free kick. To stamp down on it this week on the player after this would be inconsistent and unfair.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

A couple of things:

1-
The Starcevich incident proves that Ginbey on Lalor was nothing but faux outrage, otherwise it'd be an even bigger story. I don't even see it anywhere in the news cycle, so that proves what was said about Ginbey on Lalor, that the only reason it garnered so much attention was because Lalor's the #1 pick for a big Melbourne club.

2-
Players sign up to play a contact sport. It's inevitable that a head injury will occur at some point, despite the attempts to minimise the risk. Players aren't forced to be professional sports people, they do it out of choice, so trying to make some emotional 'family' appeal is ridiculous because they seem all too willing to accept the financial gains from their family member playing a contact sport at the risk of serious injury.

Don't like the risk? Find a different career.

1. I for one am equally concerned for both players (what kind of psycho would not be?!), but highly suspect CFL will only act in the second case, or at some point later this year

2. If you bump/push and concuss, you are gone. Duty of care etc. are all in place but were not applied in the Lalor case. Has CFL definitively said they won't act in Starcevich case?

 

[bzparkes]

1. I for one am equally concerned for both players (what kind of psycho would not be?!), but highly suspect CFL will only act in the second case, or at some point later this year

You might be concerned but going off the lack of activity in this thread, your fellow supporters aren't.

2. If you bump/push and concuss, you are gone. Duty of care etc. are all in place but were not applied in the Lalor case. Has CFL definitively said they won't act in Starcevich case?

Actions need to be punished, not outcomes.

In both circumstances, the intent wasn't to injure the player but to contest the drop of the ball.

I kept an eye out for this in all the games I've watched so far and noted it happens at almost every marking contest where a pack is formed.

You'd suspend half the competition in the first week if you made a rule against it.