Drew Banfield would be the only other one I think?
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Drew Banfield would be the only other one I think?
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Yep theres another over 30 so we're up to 2
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Well said gws and I agree with the gist of your post.
Nisbett has been a good and faithful servant however his best before date was 2011...and that's being generous. Successive administrations have fallen asleep at the wheel by keeping Saint Trevor in the role he still holds.
We have done a lot of dumb things this last decade and what's more we have also done them poorly.
It does sadden me that the likes of Kennedy, Hurn, LeCras, Brown and Mckenzie may well miss out on being part of our Club ever being a real flag chance.
The Worsfold years post 2007 will long be remembered as a period in which we rested on our laurels and over rated ourselves both on and off the field.
We didn't cut players of the list quickly enough and Worsfold fell into the same trap as Malthouse did in his last few seasons, that being, playing and picking favourites.
Player development and recruiting since 2007 has been shit house. Apart from the Gaff, Darling, Lycett draft, we have had a sequence of draft **** ups, the ramifications of which we are feeling at the moment. Our recruiters have a blind spot to identifying quality mids, however they have done well with talls.
And don't get me started on our lack of trading for needs. We seemed to have forgotten that we traded in two key players to lift us up to be a contender in 2004 -2007. A quick appraisal of Sydney, Geelong ,Hawthorn, Fremantle and Ports list shows that all these Clubs have several key players that they traded for to complement their drafting. These Clubs just happen to be the current contenders..... coincidence ???!!!! I think not.
I do like what we did the draft just gone but alas I suspect its too late to assist our more senior players taste success.
Nisbett has been a good and faithful servant however his best before date was 2011...and that's being generous. Successive administrations have fallen asleep at the wheel by keeping Saint Trevor in the role he still holds.
We have done a lot of dumb things this last decade and what's more we have also done them poorly.
It does sadden me that the likes of Kennedy, Hurn, LeCras, Brown and Mckenzie may well miss out on being part of our Club ever being a real flag chance.
The Worsfold years post 2007 will long be remembered as a period in which we rested on our laurels and over rated ourselves both on and off the field.
We didn't cut players of the list quickly enough and Worsfold fell into the same trap as Malthouse did in his last few seasons, that being, playing and picking favourites.
Player development and recruiting since 2007 has been shit house. Apart from the Gaff, Darling, Lycett draft, we have had a sequence of draft **** ups, the ramifications of which we are feeling at the moment. Our recruiters have a blind spot to identifying quality mids, however they have done well with talls.
And don't get me started on our lack of trading for needs. We seemed to have forgotten that we traded in two key players to lift us up to be a contender in 2004 -2007. A quick appraisal of Sydney, Geelong ,Hawthorn, Fremantle and Ports list shows that all these Clubs have several key players that they traded for to complement their drafting. These Clubs just happen to be the current contenders..... coincidence ???!!!! I think not.
I do like what we did the draft just gone but alas I suspect its too late to assist our more senior players taste success.
This post is sad but true.
I definitely started to feel that after 2011 we were headed right back towards premierships with an amazing spine which was still young, while our midfielders were simultaneously improving. Unfortunately we were found out pretty quickly after 2012 and our obviously deficient midfield started to be exposed without Naitanui's influence that he had prior.
It's sad looking back through those various drafts and seeing the wastefulness. I can't remember which poster it was (maybe Gunner or Eagle87) at the end of 2009, they were ruing that we had that late run of form that cost us a priority pick. That prediction has come to fruition and I for one don't think it was worth winning those pointless games any more. (Even with Tom Swift's 3 vote game against Rich in round 22).
There really needs to be an injection of sorts into our off field structure. Surely it is worth paying the rich tax if it means we can spend more on our footy department than other clubs. After all, the money we are accumulating should be spent predominately on the football side of things.
Having been a passionate WCE supporter my entire life, spending countless hours daily reading threads on here as a lurker, I feel so indifferent this year. Sure, it doesn't help losing Mackenzie and Brown so early, but I just need to see some sort of revitalisation from within the club that shows that something is going to change. Because if nothing changes we're not going to see any improvement for quite a while.
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I know this sounds crazy and I doubt it would ever happen, but I'll put it out there as a hypothetical. If you were in charge, would you consider trading LeCras for a classy young midfielder or extremely high draft pick(s)? He's 29, so may not be around for our next premiership tilt, and is the only one in that older age group that 1) has any real trade value, and 2) we have any chance of being able to cover in the short term.
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Personally i think it's about maximising what we have and trading for what we dont. We have 2-3 years to have guys like lamb, duggan, newman, waterman, cripps, sheed, nelson up and firing before the other stars tail off too much. So how do we do that?
Free agency and trading. We need to try and pick up 1 best 22 player from trading and 1 from free agency each year for the next 3 years. We need 3 of those players to be top 10-15 players in the list and all 3 of those to be midfielders.
So who do we target this year. Do we target stars / guys almost there with talent to go further / roleplayers / depth? You target anything that will improve the side and the balance of the side overall. Who do we want this year? Suckling as a free agent. Take butler out of our back 6 and add suckling. Huge improvement.
Trade. This year Stephen Coniglio or Daniel Rich. As a club we don't target players agressively enough or make our salary cap and in particular the future salary cap work well enough for us. so what would it take. For rich? 5 years, 4 million. Now that sounds like a hell of a lot of money and it is but it's all relative. If you work it on 500k next year and thats on a salary cap of what about 11 million next year thats a mid range salary. 1 mill a year in the fifth year we will likely be looking at a salary cap of 18-20 mill that year. Very similar % of the cap. What does it cost us at the trade table? Our first rounder and thats if he wants to go.
It brings in 2 of the best users of the ball in the AFL if we got rich and suckling and would replace 2 lower skilled users and we would go from an average side footskill wise to one of the best in the AFL. We have the ground work, we know our faults, we need to shoot for the stars otherwise we will sit here and continue to be dead average.
Acquiring rich and suckling would allow us to move yeo into the middle as well giving is a bigger bodied mid to provide better balance. That is 2 changes in 1 year that would make a huge change to our list.
What can we then do to sure up our draft position? Who is expendable who may have some value? Priddis, Gaff, Selwood??? Selwood goes to Geelong after having a pretty good year for us and we get what? A first rounder maybe if the price is right? Now a lot of this is pie in the sky and the targets can be replaced for others but something needs to be done. I would be almost as happy with coniglio as Rich.
Free agency and trading. We need to try and pick up 1 best 22 player from trading and 1 from free agency each year for the next 3 years. We need 3 of those players to be top 10-15 players in the list and all 3 of those to be midfielders.
So who do we target this year. Do we target stars / guys almost there with talent to go further / roleplayers / depth? You target anything that will improve the side and the balance of the side overall. Who do we want this year? Suckling as a free agent. Take butler out of our back 6 and add suckling. Huge improvement.
Trade. This year Stephen Coniglio or Daniel Rich. As a club we don't target players agressively enough or make our salary cap and in particular the future salary cap work well enough for us. so what would it take. For rich? 5 years, 4 million. Now that sounds like a hell of a lot of money and it is but it's all relative. If you work it on 500k next year and thats on a salary cap of what about 11 million next year thats a mid range salary. 1 mill a year in the fifth year we will likely be looking at a salary cap of 18-20 mill that year. Very similar % of the cap. What does it cost us at the trade table? Our first rounder and thats if he wants to go.
It brings in 2 of the best users of the ball in the AFL if we got rich and suckling and would replace 2 lower skilled users and we would go from an average side footskill wise to one of the best in the AFL. We have the ground work, we know our faults, we need to shoot for the stars otherwise we will sit here and continue to be dead average.
Acquiring rich and suckling would allow us to move yeo into the middle as well giving is a bigger bodied mid to provide better balance. That is 2 changes in 1 year that would make a huge change to our list.
What can we then do to sure up our draft position? Who is expendable who may have some value? Priddis, Gaff, Selwood??? Selwood goes to Geelong after having a pretty good year for us and we get what? A first rounder maybe if the price is right? Now a lot of this is pie in the sky and the targets can be replaced for others but something needs to be done. I would be almost as happy with coniglio as Rich.
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So what are the chances the admin at west coast will change any time soon? Also the chances we can be a ruthless club with picks and trades? I just can't see us competing on or off the field with smarter more talented clubs any time soon
Close to none. I can see this club drifting until we get the new stadium. After that, I would expect some change.
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Since when do you need a certain quota of 30-somethings to challenge for a flag?
Our list is old enough. But it isn't good enough.
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And if we'd got those two picks, and used them on Scully and Morabito?
How short is your memory?
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All since 2011? And that's just player trades not including the ones we made involving picks.
I love the idea of Suckling & Rich coming to West Coast but sadly it's highly unlikely. You'd be crazy to leave the Hawks by choice, I suppose $$$ would be the issue there. For the Lions, Rich would be too important for them to give up. I do like the thinking though.
That and Selwood won't be traded (and I don't think Gaff should be). Coniglio is our best shot for say pick #10 but I've gone cold on that idea. The ball use of Daniel Rich makes him the more attractive option for me. He, Suckling and the addition of a reasonable outside mid with leg speed (a Danyle Pearce equivalent) is definitely fun to fantasize about.
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We'd still have Fyfe. Who'd have been pigeon holed as a forward flanker.
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I suggested this last year.
He's a cherry on top that we don't need, because the rest of the cake is shit.
No way will he be around for the next flag tilt, and he has arguably some of the biggest trade value on our list.
Ok then we are big traders, we are just crap at it!!!
Id argue that Cripps, Wellingham, Ellis and Hill would all be handy contributors if we had midfield depth. Out of that list, Yeo has the potential to be what we need.
How many teams construct a midfield by trading it in? None really.
It's our inability to draft well and then develop that is hurting more so than our trading.
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The point I am trying to make is we are never willing to give much up at trade week. Which is why other clubs don't want to deal with us.
I agree our development seems poor. Look at Ebert who was just average for us, went home to Port and is now a very good player. I would suspect he would be struggling if he was still at our club. Wellingham came to us and has gone down hill since he arrived, granted some has been his own fault but he is not played where he should play which is as an outside mid/wing.
The constant though is our club. Once leaders in many areas of the competition but now would safely have us bottom 4 in all areas of club management/football department. Making money the exception, not that doing that is difficult in a two team town.
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Its called tanking and the average poster around here doesn't take too kindly to this type of thinking.
Personally i think our ninth placed finish flattered our list to the point of making people think we weren't too far away. We were one game from eighth spot but a million miles away from a premiership.
Now it is a billion light years.
But...can the so called experts see it?
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We are always going to be behind the eight ball when it comes to trading as long as there are ten teams in Melbourne. Why would a Melbourne based player uproot their life to come to the other side of the country when there are nine other clubs within driving distance of his house?
It makes it easier for the Melbourne clubs to bring home the Victorian players from interstate also, as they have a number of choices when it comes to finding a club that is willing to trade for them.
It's not just West Coast either, how many years has Freo been trying to land a quality KPP? Even players like Clarke who supposedly wanted to come home went to a Melbourne club for the money.
Just look at how many players have left Adelaide, Brisbane and are starting to leave GWS lately. Even when contracted they can dictate where they want to be traded to!
I was watching the game yesterday as an example, how many of Hawthorns team did they actually draft? Their whole back line was traded in from other clubs, and they didn't have to sell the farm to get them there either. If you were playing for a bottom four club and Hawthorn gave you a call, your bags would be packed before you hung up the phone!
We can't offer more money/ anonymity like Sydney. The West Aussie players aren't really interested in coming home. The Melbourne players have too many other choices. That is what we are up against and our past results in trading in show it.
It makes it easier for the Melbourne clubs to bring home the Victorian players from interstate also, as they have a number of choices when it comes to finding a club that is willing to trade for them.
It's not just West Coast either, how many years has Freo been trying to land a quality KPP? Even players like Clarke who supposedly wanted to come home went to a Melbourne club for the money.
Just look at how many players have left Adelaide, Brisbane and are starting to leave GWS lately. Even when contracted they can dictate where they want to be traded to!
I was watching the game yesterday as an example, how many of Hawthorns team did they actually draft? Their whole back line was traded in from other clubs, and they didn't have to sell the farm to get them there either. If you were playing for a bottom four club and Hawthorn gave you a call, your bags would be packed before you hung up the phone!
We can't offer more money/ anonymity like Sydney. The West Aussie players aren't really interested in coming home. The Melbourne players have too many other choices. That is what we are up against and our past results in trading in show it.
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It's not always the case, but I think the last 5 seasons have proven that you need a good balance of 29+ & mid-25s, with a couple of young players. At the moment our list has more young players than mid-25s and 29+.
All I was getting at is that there is no reason that our senior players can't go on for a minimum of two more years. If that is the case, then we have enough time to build the new young players up to a stage that we can possibly compete in the finals before those senior players retire. No need for a complete rebuild just yet. I would suggest some trading at the end of the year as part of the process.
If we fail to make 5-8 next year, then it will be a different story.
Haha yeah. Yeo, Cripps and Hill look to be value acquisitions, but yes we could have done alot better over the stretch.
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