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Should Carlton receive a priority pick?

  • Yes

    Votes: 70 19.1%
  • No

    Votes: 296 80.9%

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mario bortallotto

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Guys they really wanted: Plowman, Marchbank, Pickett, Kennedy

Mature depth: Wright, Kerridge, Lang, Mullett

2nd chance saloon better than extra pick 70's: Lamb, Sumner, Jarrod Garlett

2nd chance ruck saloon: Gorringe, Phillips, Lobbe

Salary cap dumps: Smedts, Palmer

I think the disappointment for Carlton is they haven't got a half decent back up ruck up and running knowing that Kreuzer is injury prone and that they haven't found any mature midfielders to crash and bash with Cripps and free up Murphy.

They probably knew most of these guys would fail but they couldn't go with all draft picks or their team and their VFL team would be struggle really badly and player development would be very difficult. For all their faults this year Carlton of the last two years have actually been respectable on field more often than not.

Right now they are suffering from losing their best 2 players and implementing a complete failure of a defensive set up. They need to land a mature midfielder, get Docherty back and fix their game plan and then Sos' list will be looking much better.
Guys they really wanted: Plowman, Marchbank, Pickett, Kennedy

Mature depth: Wright, Kerridge, Lang, Mullett

2nd chance saloon better than extra pick 70's: Lamb, Sumner, Jarrod Garlett

2nd chance ruck saloon: Gorringe, Phillips, Lobbe

Salary cap dumps: Smedts, Palmer

I think the disappointment for Carlton is they haven't got a half decent back up ruck up and running knowing that Kreuzer is injury prone and that they haven't found any mature midfielders to crash and bash with Cripps and free up Murphy.

They probably knew most of these guys would fail but they couldn't go with all draft picks or their team and their VFL team would be struggle really badly and player development would be very difficult. For all their faults this year Carlton of the last two years have actually been respectable on field more often than not.

Right now they are suffering from losing their best 2 players and implementing a complete failure of a defensive set up. They need to land a mature midfielder, get Docherty back and fix their game plan and then Sos' list will be looking much better.

appreciate a guy from other supporter base having a good grasp on what has taken place ie SOS recruiting cap dumps ,very low cost ins etc l:thumbsu:
that side on weekend was same undermanned team like port Adelaide hiding the other year ....the team just not afl standard Saturday night. the next month is going to be pain big time... injury's have been huge to already young fragile list.. our best 22 on park will pinch a few later in year . very important to ride this month out before a few solid players get back.

i think sos has been pretty cool trade draft wise.....
 

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We traded an A grader for depth, Adelaide got a good deal, O’Brien will take time to develop and hopefully the trade can benefit us in the long run.
TBH, it's a win win. I'd say SOS missed a trick going with OBrien over Foagrty and the way Carlton are going ATM, pick 19 or 20 may come back on a strong draft
 

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TBH, it's a win win. I'd say SOS missed a trick going with OBrien over Foagrty and the way Carlton are going ATM, pick 19 or 20 may come back on a strong draft
Early last year fogarty was being talked about as pick 1. i think most clubs considered him a flight risk.

O'brien might turn out to be an outstanding outside midfield that can run all day and hit targets by foot, but i think we erred by not taking jack higgins given our only small forward that's proven anything is wright.
 

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SOS Trades and Free Agents:

Wins- Wright, Plowman, Marchbank.

Jury Out- Kennedy, Lang, Pickett.

Losses - Dan Gorringe, Lamb, Phillips, Sumner, Kerridge, Smedts, Palmer, Lobbe

3 guys who will be part of the team as it rebuilds, with another three that are also likely as contributors moving forward.

8 others who have been traded in and most likely delisted within 3 years.

For so many trades that’s nothing to write home about.
Most of those "fails" were known spuds by SOS but were taken as salary dumps to get the likes of Plowman and Marchbank for cheap .
 

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You need to include Andrew Phillips in this discussion. Is about a year away from reaching ruck prime. He annihiliated pruess in the vfl on Sunday after coming back from injury. I’d kruezer doesn’t get up or needs a rest he is an adequate replacement. Another player Carlton got via sos for steak knives to help gws reduce their list.
I have him there. A very handy back up ruck thrown in for cheap but it's been a shame he seems as injury prone as Kreuzer and hasn't been available the last few weeks to let Kreuzer rest up and get healthy. More than most teams in the comp Carlton need to at least break even in the ruck to get the ball to Cripps and to protect the midfield.
 

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Very simply - by taking on these contracts, we were able to bring in our real targets cheaper than we probably otherwise would have been able to.

It has been a very reasonable strategy that has served us well.
Served well is still in the air It's hard to quantify the opportunity cost of wasting list spots on known spuds in Summner, Phillips and co
 

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The only A grade potential player he’s drafted at Carlton is Curnow and he was desperate to trade that pick for Tomlinson as most Blues fans have forgotten.
go watch carlton vs collingwood last year and see the football lesson sam petrevski-seton gave your midfield.

i'm not 100% sure on this but i looked up a few other of the best first year players ever (joel selwood, heppell etc) and SPS is only player i found with 3 brownlow vote game in his first year. dusty, fyfe, danger, buddy, judd, pendlebury, hodge all couldn't manage that.
 

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Early last year fogarty was being talked about as pick 1. i think most clubs considered him a flight risk.

O'brien might turn out to be an outstanding outside midfield that can run all day and hit targets by foot, but i think we erred by not taking jack higgins given our only small forward that's proven anything is wright.
Agree. I thought Higgins would be top 10. Richmond did very well there
 

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I have him there. A very handy back up ruck thrown in for cheap but it's been a shame he seems as injury prone as Kreuzer and hasn't been available the last few weeks to let Kreuzer rest up and get healthy. More than most teams in the comp Carlton need to at least break even in the ruck to get the ball to Cripps and to protect the midfield.
I’d love him to come in this week to face Nic Nat. Kruezer can’t jump at the moment.
 

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Served well is still in the air It's hard to quantify the opportunity cost of wasting list spots on known spuds in Summner, Phillips and co
Phillips is no spud. He smashed pruess on Sunday and will be playing ruck for Carlton soon. He’s been injured for his two pre seasons at Carlton. Excellent set shot and awesome tap ruckman. He’s about to his the prime age bracket for a ruckman. I can’t see him going past Kruezer in 2019-2020.
 
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go watch carlton vs collingwood last year and see the football lesson sam petrevski-seton gave your midfield.

i'm not 100% sure on this but i looked up a few other of the best first year players ever (joel selwood, heppell etc) and SPS is only player i found with 3 brownlow vote game in his first year. dusty, fyfe, danger, buddy, judd, pendlebury, hodge all couldn't manage that.
Wow. Put him down as an all time great now.
 

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go watch carlton vs collingwood last year and see the football lesson sam petrevski-seton gave your midfield.

i'm not 100% sure on this but i looked up a few other of the best first year players ever (joel selwood, heppell etc) and SPS is only player i found with 3 brownlow vote game in his first year. dusty, fyfe, danger, buddy, judd, pendlebury, hodge all couldn't manage that.
Go watch the last 4 rounds, he is shy around the contest and often gets caught with the ball. Not saying he won’t be a good player but he’s got a long way to go, I would have Fisher slightly ahead tbh.
 

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Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell were drafted in 2001. 3 drafts later the Hawks were still getting priority picks.

SOS has been in the job for 3 drafts.

To all the peeps claiming to know better; you’ve jumped the gun. Gonna need another 3-4 years to get the answers on what kind of job he’s doing with the Carlton list, which is still under renovation.
 

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The only A grade potential player he’s drafted at Carlton is Curnow and he was desperate to trade that pick for Tomlinson as most Blues fans have forgotten.
I'm not sure of your point here. We had picks 8 & 10 (which ended up being 10 & 12 after academy bids). We took McKay with 8 and Curnow with 10. Reports were that we rated Curnow higher, but were confident he would still be there at 10, but weren't sure if Crows were going to take McKay if we picked them the other way around. Had we traded #10 out, we most likely would have skipped on McKay and taken Curnow with #8.
 

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Early last year fogarty was being talked about as pick 1. i think most clubs considered him a flight risk.

O'brien might turn out to be an outstanding outside midfield that can run all day and hit targets by foot, but i think we erred by not taking jack higgins given our only small forward that's proven anything is wright.
Well considering your last outstanding outside runner who hits targets by foot is still at 33 years old your most outstanding and respected player, lets hope O'Brien does.
 
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Served well is still in the air It's hard to quantify the opportunity cost of wasting list spots on known spuds in Summner, Phillips and co
It has served us well to date - by absorbing these contracts we've been able to bring in a number of pieces critical to our list rebuild without sacrificing draft position.

Over the past couple of years we've constantly heard we're going to have to give up early picks to secure our trade targets, yet we continue to find ways to avoid doing so. All we heard at the end of 2016 was that we'd have to give up pick 5 to have any chance of bringing in Marchbank.

Yes, there are some players we've brought in who have lasted only a year or two, and who have had next to no impact, but we were and arguably still are in a position where we're able to absorb these contracts for significant benefit elsewhere.

Sumner was a pure salary dump and was a bust, but the reality is there isn't a club out there who doesn't "waste" list spots on "known spuds" every year. There are 40+ spots on a list every year, using a couple on these types of players won't matter one iota in the long run.

I am not a huge Phillips fan but I don't put him in the same category as Sumner, he was a salary dump but he's adequate ruck depth. The reality is he was always going to be behind Kreuzer in the pecking order, but as I mentioned earlier, the real benefit to bringing him in is that it allowed us to part ways with Warnock and his big contract. Even if Phillips never plays senior football for us again, that was definitely worthwhile.
 

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It has served us well to date - by absorbing these contracts we've been able to bring in a number of pieces critical to our list rebuild without sacrificing draft position.

Over the past couple of years we've constantly heard we're going to have to give up early picks to secure our trade targets, yet we continue to find ways to avoid doing so. All we heard at the end of 2016 was that we'd have to give up pick 5 to have any chance of bringing in Marchbank.

Yes, there are some players we've brought in who have lasted only a year or two, and who have had next to no impact, but we were and arguably still are in a position where we're able to absorb these contracts for significant benefit elsewhere.

Sumner was a pure salary dump and was a bust, but the reality is there isn't a club out there who doesn't "waste" list spots on "known spuds" every year. There are 40+ spots on a list every year, using a couple on these types of players won't matter one iota in the long run.

I am not a huge Phillips fan but I don't put him in the same category as Sumner, he was a salary dump but he's adequate ruck depth. The reality is he was always going to be behind Kreuzer in the pecking order, but as I mentioned earlier, the real benefit to bringing him in is that it allowed us to part ways with Warnock and his big contract. Even if Phillips never plays senior football for us again, that was definitely worthwhile.
I'm not criticising SOS at all. I have no problem with his strategy. My point is it's impossible to say how going the more traditional rout to aquiring talent would have worked out .
 
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I'm not criticising SOS at all. I have no problem with his strategy. My point is it's impossible to say how going the more traditional rout to aquiring talent would have worked out .
Easiest way is to look at the players selected with the picks they gave up...
 
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I'm not criticising SOS at all. I have no problem with his strategy. My point is it's impossible to say how going the more traditional rout to aquiring talent would have worked out .
I know you're not, just providing a bit more context.

If we went down the 'traditional' route I have no doubt the build would be slower, both in terms of bringing elite talent into the club and getting rid of those we no longer want around.
 

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Easiest way is to look at the players selected with the picks they gave up...
But youd also have to take into account giving up correct value for the high value players .

I know you're not, just providing a bit more context.

If we went down the 'traditional' route I have no doubt the build would be slower, both in terms of bringing elite talent into the club and getting rid of those we no longer want around.
Yeah I think that is likely as well but it isn't fact. It is possible that Carlton would have been better off just taking late picks in the draft and giving up fair value or just not trading for the ex GWS crew.
 
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