The Apprentice: 2024 Republican primaries

[Sweet Jesus]

Different polling company, and yes i am too surprised to see pence so high .

I wonder if Pence even runs. It's not like he can count on the support of the Trump base.

Effectively, the question could be rephrased as "if Trump doesn't run, who is he most likely to endorse?"

Almost certainly not Pence. It's why DeSantis appears to be firming as the heir apparent. It's easy to imagine him kissing the ring and Trump giving his blessing.

 

[Egg Boy]

Nominee: Will be one of Trump, De-Santis or Cruz.

Trump rocked CPAC and still has the MAGA base. If he continues stealing headlines he will run again.

 

[spinynorman]

Seems pretty presidential to me.

 

[Blue1980]

Seems pretty presidential to me.

Who is this mysterious force they claims has cancelled Dr Seuss?

The book he’s signing hasn’t even been effected in any way!

 

[bourbons]

Who is this mysterious force they claims has cancelled Dr Seuss?

The book he’s signing hasn’t even been effected in any way!

That would be Suess's own estate.

Six Dr Seuss books cease publication over racist and insensitive portrayals

Author’s estate aims to represent and support ‘all communities’; Dr Seuss children’s books earned $33m pre-tax in 2020

www.theguardian.com

Dr Seuss Enterprises said it decided to stop publishing the six books last year but made its decision public on Tuesday

Doesn't have the same ring as a nice shrill 'teh leeeeft' I guess

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Nominee: Will be one of Trump, De-Santis or Cruz.

Cruz would be the worst outcome for the GOP. I'd be quite confident about a Democratic candidate beating him in a presidential election. The other two, who knows?

 

[Egg Boy]

Cruz would be the worst outcome for the GOP. I'd be quite confident about a Democratic candidate beating him in a presidential election. The other two, who knows?

Cruz surprisingly has learnt a lot from Trump. He realised that he needs to be funnier and more brutal to counter Democrat rhetoric/connect with people.

Cruz circa 2016 ... no way but in 2024 ... who knows?

Agree DJT & DeSantis are front runners.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Cruz surprisingly has learnt a lot from Trump. He realised that he needs to be funnier and more brutal to counter Democrat rhetoric/connect with people.

Cruz circa 2016 ... no way but in 2024 ... who knows?

Agree DJT & DeSantis are front runners.

Cruz has a far narrower appeal that likely doesn't extend to the rust belt the way Trump's did.

 

[jerry springer]

Im still going with Noem as De santis's running mate

Why Kristi Noem Is Rising Quickly as a Republican Prospect for 2024 (Published 2021)

Ms. Noem, the governor of South Dakota, has defied coronavirus restrictions and eagerly projects a rugged Great Plainswoman image. Her moves have stirred both support and conflict in the G.O.P.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Saint]

Im still going with Noem as De santis's running mate

Why Kristi Noem Is Rising Quickly as a Republican Prospect for 2024 (Published 2021)

Ms. Noem, the governor of South Dakota, has defied coronavirus restrictions and eagerly projects a rugged Great Plainswoman image. Her moves have stirred both support and conflict in the G.O.P.

www.nytimes.com

They'd have too much overlapping appeal.

I think if they've got a Trumpista candidate, they need somebody to appeal to swing voters and sensible so they can draw lots of donations from the traditional Republican backers.

I think somebody like Pat Toomey or Ron Johnson might end up running for VP if they have somebody like De Santis running for Pres.

 

[jerry springer]

 

[darrenmorgan]

Bwahahahaha * me dead, what a clown show

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Trump will be the candidate again, and Trump will lose again.

 

[spinynorman]

Romney at 4% and Cheney at 1%, but the liberal media will continue to try to prop up "Never Trump" Republicans as any kind of meaningful constituency, and hold out hope that Trump is an outlier, when he's just the continuation of the principles of the Republican Party and the American ruling class.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Nominee: Will be one of Trump, De-Santis or Cruz.

Trump rocked CPAC and still has the MAGA base. If he continues stealing headlines he will run again.

It's not about "stealing headlines".

It will be about the results of the 2022 mid-terms.

I also wonder if Trump will be willing to subject himself to a genuine primary where he gets attacked by other Republicans. If it gets to 2023 and he's considering running again, perhaps there will be a push for the RNC to clear the field and declare him the presumptive nominee, because the 2020 election result was "fradulent" anyway.

Trump will be the candidate again, and Trump will lose again.

I'm not convinced he'll run.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Romney at 4% and Cheney at 1%, but the liberal media will continue to try to prop up "Never Trump" Republicans as any kind of meaningful constituency, and hold out hope that Trump is an outlier, when he's just the continuation of the principles of the Republican Party and the American ruling class.

I don't think that's a line being promoted in the "liberal media". I think everyone is quite aware that it's the party of Trump.

 

[jerry springer]

Im still going with De santais with Noem

I dont disagree with Saint comments above, but I think this GOP is so far gone to crazy town they are just going to double down and just go full bore nutsville

the scary thing is they might just win

 

[Saint]

Im still going with De santais with Noem

I dont disagree with Saint comments above, but I think this GOP is so far gone to crazy town they are just going to double down and just go full bore nutsville

the scary thing is they might just win

I think the big money which floods the party won't come for the nutsville people like it did for Trump. The big money people, the Kochs and Wall Streeters will need to put money into somebody they think can win and will prevent them going full r-****.

I don't think they can prevent a Trump from running, but they could de-rail one of the other nutters. Fox can steer the conversation in accordance with their advertiser's and owner's funding/support.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I think if they've got a Trumpista candidate, they need somebody to appeal to swing voters and sensible so they can draw lots of donations from the traditional Republican backers.

That ship has sailed. They'd be more likely to pick someone with explicit evangelical appeal, as they did with Pence, than pick someone to appeal to whatever remains of the "Romney wing" of the party.

I think somebody like Pat Toomey or Ron Johnson might end up running for VP if they have somebody like De Santis running for Pres.

Toomey voted to convict Trump in his second impeachment. He's not getting selected.

I think the big money which floods the party won't come for the nutsville people like it did for Trump. The big money people, the Kochs and Wall Streeters will need to put money into somebody they think can win and will prevent them going full r-****.

That money will eventually come for whoever wins the Republican nomination. Even then, is someone like De Santis any nuttier than Trump?

 

[Saint]

That money will eventually come for whoever wins the Republican nomination. Even then, is someone like De Santis any nuttier than Trump?

But they're losing control of the party is their problem.

What if Trump starts talking about socialised medicine (medicare for all) or some other populist policy? De Santis will have to take it on (and they might even win).

One of the things about Trumpism is that they never really had any policies (other than basic nativism) so just did what McConnel and some other donors told them to on most issues (Foreign policy, tax policy, healthcare, infrastructure, they had no plan). They will be better prepared next time. If Trump's election man tells him he can get elected if he goes for M4All, then he'll do it. He doesn't really have any ideology.

Much more likely it's the big donors who will get in his ear and he'll have a very business friendly platform (i.e. Tollroads for all.)

 

[Sweet Jesus]

But they're losing control of the party is their problem.

All the more reason to pay to make sure their main priorities are protected.

What if Trump starts talking about socialised medicine (medicare for all) or some other populist policy? De Santis will have to take it on (and they might even win).

As if Trump has sufficient handle on policy detail to do that.

Why would Trump be campaigning for Medicare if it's De Santis on the ticket?

One of the things about Trumpism is that they never really had any policies (other than basic nativism) so just did what McConnel and some other donors told them to on most issues (Foreign policy, tax policy, healthcare, infrastructure, they had no plan). They will be better prepared next time. If Trump's election man tells him he can get elected if he goes for M4All, then he'll do it. He doesn't really have any ideology.

These are just speculative "what if" scenarios. No part of Trump's record indicates he is suddenly going to become a genuine populist as opposed to a fake one.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I think she’d get slaughtered if they put her up.

The “base” isn’t that big.

She could be a VP for a more moderate candidate to drag the trump base.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

She could be a VP for a more moderate candidate to drag the trump base.

No way.

Besides, who is this "more moderate candidate" that's winning the nomination?

 

[Crankyhawk]

No way.

Besides, who is this "more moderate candidate" that's winning the nomination?

No idea. Was just a thought bubble.
I voted trump senior in the poll fwiw

 

[Sweet Jesus]

No idea. Was just a thought bubble.
I voted trump senior in the poll fwiw

The most likely outcome, if Trump doesn't run, is that the eventual nominee has Trump's blessing. There's no chance of some "moderate" winning and then having to find common cause with the Trump base after the fact. More likely, a Trumpy candidate will be casting around for a token Pence replacement that shores up evangelical support. Someone like Ron DeSantis, for example, is a Roman Catholic. If he became the nominee, he'd likely have Trump's endorsement already, but he'd need a VP to help burnish his evangelical credentials.